Dr. Performs Oral Sex While Examining Patient

[luaneryder]

Doctor Who Gave Oral Sex To Unwilling Patient Loses License

UPDATED: 3:36 PM EST December 10, 2004
NEW YORK -- A Bronx doctor who began performing oral sex on a patient while examining his genitals pleaded guilty Thursday to sexual misconduct.

As part of the plea agreement, 42-year-old Brian Shaw, of Wilton, Conn., will be sentenced to six years probation and is required to register as a sex offender. Shaw also surrendered his medical license to the New York State Health Department.

The patient, a 49-year-old truck driver, had gone to the Throggs Neck Urgent Medical Care facility last year, because of a rash on his chest and legs. During the examination, prosecutors said Shaw began to examine the man's testicles and then performed oral sex on him against his will.

Shaw, a graduate of Eastern Virginia Medical School, was acquitted of a similar crime in 2002.

----Wonder how long the patient waited to complain about his treatment?

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[redsoxliberal]

1. oh my god.

[DS1]

2. mmmmm, rash sex

/Homer Simpson voice

[ronnykmarshall]

3. What dumb ass.

All those years of med school .... blown away!

[name not needed]

5. Pun intended?

;)

[Jack_Dawson]

7. Oh Dear

[arwalden]

6. Heh-heh. You Said Blown.

[Jack_Dawson]

4. "Against His Will"???

Was he handcuffed in stirrups?

:shrug:

[WI_DEM]

11. against his will

could mean the good doctor began to do his thing and the guy stopped him. We don't know how long it went on. It could have been for a few seconds for all we know.

[Lex]

8. I'm guessing the guy got upset about it AFTER the

whole experience was completed.

[newsguyatl]

43. exactly

i bet he popped a boner, the doc took that as a sign of the patient's interest, he let him do his business, then started feeling guilty and angry about it and turned him in.

[yardwork]

58. I doubt it, actually

I think most people react to unwanted sexual advances the same way. They feel violated.

[Bouncy Ball]

74. Well that's a nice assumption.

You have no way of knowing that.

[WI_DEM]

9. Acquited of doing this in '02

hmm, I'm beginning to ? that verdict.

[paula777]

10. Guys usually don't get upset about this

But maybe because it was another dude ....nevermind

[WI_DEM]

12. When I opened up the thread my thought

was it must be a male doctor who was eating a female patient.

[paula777]

14. That's exactly what I thought too ...

except I wasn't think of it as "eating". That just makes it sound so gross Ewwww

[Anakin Skywalker]

15. LOL!

Me too. GDMTA. :)

[redqueen]

13. "Wonder how long the patient waited to complain about his treatment? "

Yes. Yes, I do.

heh

[bobthedrummer]

16. That sure beats regular "lip service" in the medical professions

O8)

[omulcol]

17. Probably when ....

the truck driver's hands touched the nurses head ...and realised she was bald? :shrug:

[Must_B_Free]

18. Yikes! It was male on male... Homo on hetero.

If a male doctor started doing that to me I'd be freaked!

That's the kind of shit that gets people killed. Obvously an insane crime of insecurity and rage, but nonetheless it happens. Remember the one on Jenny Jones where they had a homosexual making advances on a heterosexual and the guy got a gun and killed the homosexual?

Heterosexuals are extremely fragile in their portrayal of their sexual orientation. Notice that exploitation of this is even used as torture on Iraqis...

[Deja Q]

20. I'd be happy... but what do I know?

:-)

[baba]

30. You wouldn't be freaked if it was a female doctor? n/t

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

19. "Ahem! Doctor, is this really a necessary part of the exam? Whoo!"

"Hey! Who's the doctor here!"

[Meldread]

21. Damn it!

Why can't I have a Doctor like this? :silly:

[Old Mouse]

22. the comments in here

are exactly why bashed and abused males have a difficult time coming forward.

not funny stuff.

[redqueen]

26. Good point

but this IS the Lounge...

No matter how sacrosanct you feel your situation is, someone somewhere will be mocking you. Best to overcome thin skin. Easier to wear shoes than carpet the world.

[Bouncy Ball]

75. And if this were about a male doctor

raping a female patient if anyone made a joke it would NOT be funny anymore.

I don't find these jokes funny. He was violated.

[Heddi]

23. Ha ha ha! Rape is soooo funny

ha ha ha

:not:

Look at the jovial, jocular responses in this thread if you have any question as to why victims of rape, especially men, are less than enthusiastic to report the crimes committed against them.

Sad, this Dr was charged, yet aquitted of the same thing 2 years ago. Pitty he only got probation. What he did was rape, and he should spend a long time in jail for it.

But hey! It's funny! Har har! Sex against your will! It's the new party trick of the year. :vomit:

[Old Mouse]

27. I expected better here, too n/t

[Lex]

28. Some might be questioning whether a 49 year old truck driver

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actually had anything happen "against his will" by the doctor. Maybe the encounter was consented to, but then the guy got mad about it later?

Maybe the other acquittal happened because HE WASN'T GUILTY?

[redqueen]

29. Rape is one of those crimes where guilt seems to be assumed.

[Old Mouse]

31. change the sex of the victim

and you all would be screaming with outrage, even if all the other information stayed the same.

Disgusting.

[Lex]

33. If you change the sex of the alleged victim, then you probably

don't have a 49 year old truck driver as the alleged victim, do you?

[Old Mouse]

34. maybe you don't

but I view a sex crime as an act of violent domination and an abuse of power.

[sonicx]

36. the reason people are laughing is because it's 'unusual' to hear about...

oral sex being used to assault people.

[Old Mouse]

39. They are making fun

because they don't believe men would ever willingly turn down oral sex.

[Heddi]

49. The same argument used against women

who are raped or molested by older men, handsome men, or men with power:

"Who in their right mind WOULDN'T want to be fucked by him"

of course, the concept of consent and agreement are never figured into the equation.

I feel horribly for this man, and seeing the comments--absolutely rude and unnecessary comments that are made by STRANGERS on DU can only give an indication of the comments that are being made by those that KNOW this man.

I hope that everyone remembers that males are less likely to report rape than any other crime. Rape is also one of the most underreported crimes in this country. Boys who are raped and molested as children RARELY come forward. Why? Because of comments JUST LIKE THE ONES IN THIS THREAD---"who could turn down oral sex? COme on...I bet the DR was hottttt!!! The boy only said something because of his shame of homosexuality! I bet that he REALLY wanted it but felt guilty afterwards because he doesn't want people to know he's gay"

Shame on ALL of you.

I wonder if the people who are making "ha ha" threads have the fucking BALLS to go up to this man and say the SAME THING TO HIS FACE?

How about this---go to a rape crisis center. Find some young boy (or old man) who has been sexually assaulted. Pat him on the back and say "hey! I know how it goes! It's hard to turn down a BJ!!! But don't feel guilty because you liked it...who wouldn't?"

How would you feel if the comments YOU'RE making were made to your son or daughter or wife or brother or father or mother if THEY were sexually assaulted.

DU'ers really fucking disgust me sometimes.

[redqueen]

42. I think the reason people are laughing

is because it's strange to imagine a guy not wanting oral sex.

But Mouse is right... this kind of stereotyping of men as always being willing is wrong.

However, I'm not lambasting those cracking jokes because I think jokes are funny and not meant to hurt.

[Heddi]

59. BUt they DO hurt---doesn't matter if they're meant to or not

About 2 months or so ago, I posted a thread for all survivors of rape or incest to share their stories if they were willing. Look in the archives, I'm sure it's there.

I'm a woman, but the comments in this thread hurt ME because the SAME things were said about ME when I reported MY rape.

The things that are being said are said to victims ALL THE TIME. Especially to male victims (oh, you're just reporting this because you feel GUILTY for liking it). That's why rape is so underreported. There is the social and cultural stigma against those who are sexually assaulted. We're not "pure", we're "broken" or Tainted. For men who are raped, there is ALWAYS the insinuation that they're gay. That they enjoyed it. That a "real man" is incapable of being raped.

Comments like these *SO* prevent victims from coming forward. They may not be MEANT to hurt, but they do. They hurt to the core. They continuously remind us that we are NEVER fully believable. That there is ALWAYS a reason why we either deserved it in the first place, why we didn't report it, etc.

[redqueen]

62. I understand, but again.

I find it easier to wear shoes than carpet the world.

Like you I was a victim but I don't take jokes as personal slights, because they're not.

[Lex]

40. Of course I do

but the victim, who in this case is a grown-up 49 year old truck driver, had some responsibility to stop, or try to stop, the act as soon as it started.

Maybe he did that, I don't know.

[Left Is Write]

48. I don't know why anyone would assume he didn't.

And "grown up 49-year-old truck driver" doesn't have much to do with it. A victim is still a victim, regardless of how capable or tough he may be perceived to be.

[Bouncy Ball]

81. Exactly.

We don't know. Even if the doctor had his mouth on the guy's penis for two seconds, it still counts as sexual violation.

[Heddi]

45. There *ARE* female truck drivers, you know

:shaking head:

ANd the victim isn't "alleged". The Dr was convicted, therefore, the victim is real, not alleged.

[Old Mouse]

47. I thought this

was the enlightened party.

It's not so long ago that it was considered funny to make fun of female rape victims. "Where's Poppa" was one of my favorite films in high school, now one scene ruins the whole film for me.

[Heddi]

51. Not so long ago? Brother, it still happens to this day

Yeah. Enlighened party.

Ha ha! Rape is fun!

I wonder how these people would react if it was THEIR child who was assaulted by a Doctor.

I wonder how many back-slapping har-har's they'd throw out if THEIR son received oral sex unwillingly by someone in a position of power

Or better yet, what if it was their FATHER? Oh god! Of course it's impossible, since older men cannot ever be the victim of ANYTHING (as has been pointed out here in this thread). He wanted it. Who wouldn't, right?

Sick
sick
sick

[sonicx]

57. please don't use that strawman

"I thought this was the enlightened party."

RWers love to say stuff like this. "Well, look at what one of those 'tolerant' Democrats said today!"

1. No democrat or leftwinger will say that about their own group.
2. No group of people are monolithic.

[Old Mouse]

people here

are fighting for the right to mock victims of sexual assault. I am shocked, and that's what I say.

How dare you compare that to a freeper!

[sonicx]

61. no, see...

whenever a democrat or liberal does or say something dumb, some people are quick to use the strawman that all Democrats believe they are on this self-made peddestal of rightousness, which is silly. that's all i'm saying.

[redqueen]

65. I'll fight for the right to mock ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.

Humor is GOOD.

[Old Mouse]

68. humor with empathy

and understanding is good. Mocking victims is not. Bush obviously thought it was funny when he mocked the woman on death row begging for her life.

[redqueen]

71. I disagree

I don't think anything is sacrosanct. That doesn't mean I don't flinch at some jokes... I do. But that's me, and I won't begrudge anyone else joking about stuff I can't tolerate.

[Old Mouse]

82. sure you do

all societies have moral limits. You are being absolutist. They were laughing at Nanking, and I doubt you would defend their right to do so.

Do you think you could defend this humor straight to the face of a male rape and abuse victim?

[sonicx]

85. actually, some of the humor was dissing the perp too.

[Bouncy Ball]

79. There are female truck drivers

and they are of all ages.

[redqueen]

35. You're right of course

[Old Mouse]

44. You are the one who's right

I assumed guilt right away.

[Left Is Write]

50. Considering that the doctor pled guilty

to sexual misconduct, I don't think it's out of line to "assume" guilt.

[Old Mouse]

55. you right

my bad

[redqueen]

63. Right, in this case it's not up for argument

I was talking about rape accusations in general.

[St. Jarvitude]

32. "against his will"

It's very possible the doctor started to ... you know, lick or whatever, and the trucker stopped him. I'd still call it sexual assault (notice that the article uses the phrase "sexual misconduct"), seeing as how the doctor is supposed to be trusted to not do this kind of thing.

There is no indication that the act was carried out to completion.

[Heddi]

46. Why is it 'questionable" that anything was done against his will?

Because he's a man?
Because he's 49?
Because he's a truck driver?

Give me a break. Men and women, boys and girls of ALL ages are raped on a daily basis. Age, profession, or gender have NOTHING to do with whether or not something can be done against their will.

Are you stereotyping that all truck drivers are burly men, over 6 feet tall and weighing over 200 lbs? Is it just POSSIBLE that even if ALL of those qualifiers were true, that STILL this doctor could have put his mouth on the man's genitals WITHOUT THE MAN'S CONSENT?

Why do you insist (in this thread and another) that the truck driver originally WANTED IT, then felt guilty?

You know, I'm a rape survivor. I was under the age of 12 when I was raped, and it was suggested by many that I could have stopped it 'if I wanted to", that I could have screamed a little louder, punched a little harder, or fought a little more. But since I didn't, then I must have wanted it. I must have consented in some way. Hell, I probably even ENJOYED it to an extent.

Why is it just impossible for you to underestand that ANY sexual contact with someone without express consent is wrong. Be the victim male or female, infant or elderly?

You say "Maybe the encounter was consented to, but then the guy got mad about it later?"

I say "Maybe the encounter was NEVER consentual." I suppose that thought never entered your beautiful mind, eh?

[Left Is Write]

52. I'm sorry you went through that.

I was a victim at age 17, at a time when the term "date rape" was completely unknown to me. I didn't report the crime; in fact, told NO ONE until many years after the fact.

I had no reason to think anyone would believe me. After all, I was on a date with the guy. Who would believe that I didn't give consent? Who would believe that I took seriously his threat to break my arm if I didn't comply? Who would believe I took seriously that he would do worse than break my arm? I didn't have any bruises or cuts I could show to "prove" I didn't want it. So I said nothing.

I don't find jokes about victims of sexual assault to be particularly funny either. Attitudes like that helped to create the atmosphere in which a girl like me was afraid to come forward after being attacked.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

53. Thanks for your posts in this thread, Heddi

I think any unwanted advances toward a man or a woman ESPECIALLY when they are as vulnerable as they are in a medical office are not at all funny.

In fact, men NEED to be vulnerable for prostate evaluations and for hernia evaluations. This was indeed criminal and it really isn't humorous.

[Old Mouse]

54. You're very strong

to share with us.

I seem to know a disproportionate number of survivors, some very close to me. My mother was a councilor in a teenage halfway house, so I grew up surrounded by survivors. Someone very dear to me, a man, is now HIV positive from being raped. Must be hilarious to some here, but I don't get the joke...

[Heddi]

56. I don't get the joke either

I only hope that the DU'er's here who are getting their yuks at another man's physical and emotional expense NEVER find themselves at the wrong end of an unconsentual sexual experience. And even more so, I hope that they are able to stand the constant questions about THEIR sexuality. THEIR motivations for reporting it (or god forbid, NOT reporting it). THEIR enjoyment of it.

You know, when I was raped (by my mother's boyfriend, over several years of my life), there were things done to me that I didn't enjoy. However, when my husband does these things to me, I *DO* enjoy them.

How could I enjoy, say, oral sex performed by my husband, but NOT enjoy oral sex performed on me by my mom's boyfriend? According to posters in this thread, if I enjoy it in one capacity, I *MUST* enjoy it in ALL capacities, under ALL circumstances, with EVERYONE who does it.

[redqueen]

64. I already have

And yet I still find humor in jokes.

Imagine that.

[Old Mouse]

67. jokes are only funny

because of the underlying perceived truth. This whole thread is because deep down all of these people believe a man cannot receive oral sex against his will.

This is laughing at the expense of someone else's suffering and humiliation.

[redqueen]

69. Sure it is

Of course it's based on a preconceived notion. Many jokes -- hell maybe even most -- are concerned with some awful truth that while maybe not true in every circumstance, has to be commonly accepted enough so that people can recognize it and laugh at it.

[Old Mouse]

73. When Jon Stewart

makes fun of Saddam's rape rooms its based on the horror of the act, and honors the victim. The kernel of humor is based on an act absolutely abhorrent to modern society.

These people are making fun of the victim, not the perpetrator! I'm all for free speech, but I am also for self awareness, kindness and morality.

[redqueen]

78. Hmmm

Now you've given me something to consider.

[Lex]

60. You don't know the all the facts of this case any more than I do

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so don't pretend you do, please.

I didn't "insist" anything in this thread (or another "thread") either.

I'm very sorry you were raped, but that doesn't give you divine knowledge about what happened in THIS case.

And don't pretend that it DOESN'T make a difference if a big burly guy accuses a smaller guy of rape.

And just because it was sexual misconduct DOESN'T make it rape.

[sonicx]

70. her point is: if it was a female, most here wouldn't wait for the full..

facts, but still express outrage at the perp and wouldn't say the situation was questionable.

btw, it doesn't matter the size of either person. the doctor was examining the guy's legs and caught him by surprise.

[Bouncy Ball]

77. Or

maybe the doctor had his mouth on it for about a second and a half before the truck driver pushed him off, yelled WHAT THE FUCK? and pulled up his pants.

We don't know, thus it's dangerous to make assumptions.

[Elidor]

24. "You have ten minutes to get your mouth off my dick"

"Or I'm calling the police.

[mtnsnake]

41. Now THAT'S funny!!

LMAO!

BTW, what doctor in their right mind would start gobbling on some "unwilling" truck driver...and if the guy was so unwillng, why is this doctor not in the intensive care unit right now with broken bones??!? Methinks there's a little more to it.

[bowens43]

25. You mean that ISN'T a normal part of the examiniation?!?!?

[Placebo]

66. I too, am shocked.

I thought this was all SOP.

[orpupilofnature57]

37. Funny most doctor's just want to bend you over, and not for fun

[Cadence]

38. I guess this doctor took Bush's comments about

practicing his love with his patients seriously!

[Bouncy Ball]

72. Ew, ew, ew.

I'm not "ew-"ing at the idea of male oral sex but at the fact that it was non-consensual. Disgusting. Honestly I think he should have to serve at least SOME jail time, I mean come ON! He forced himself on the guy sexually.

And what's up with your comment about wondering how long the patient waited to complain about his treatment???

[Endangered Specie]

76. I bet you $20 that if this had been an OBGYN to a female patient

there would be at least 20 fold more outrage.

</doublestandard>

[redqueen]

80. If anyone disagrees with you they're a moron.

[Bouncy Ball]

83. I totally agree Endangered.

And that's what pisses me off. I cannot even begin to imagine the flamefest that would ensue if people made jokes at the expense of a female patient whose doctor performed oral sex on her during an examination.

Just turn it around: "Wonder how long she waited until she told him to stop? Heh, heh, heh."

Ug.

Years and years ago, a guy was running for governor in Texas by the name of Clayton Williams. Good ol' boy repuke. And one day, he was out showing some reporters his land and they asked him about rape laws or something (this was 89 or 90) and he said "Hey, rape is like bad weather. If it's inevitable, you might as well lean back and enjoy it."

He was shortly drummed OUT of the race for THAT one comment.

(Sadly nowdays if a repuke running for office said that, I doubt it would even be reported.)

[kodi]

84. well, what do you know, there really is a dr. fellatio

.

[Moderator]

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