Father convicted in circumcision attempt (fundie stupidity)

[ChoralScholar]

'Act of obedience' on son could net more than 3 years

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6679165/

USA - Vancouver, Wash.

A jury deliberated 40 minutes Tuesday before convicting a Ridgefield man of assault for attempting to circumcise his 8-year-old.

Edwin B. Baxter, 33, was polite after the verdict as he was handcuffed to be taken back to the Clark County Jail. He thanked his attorney and the prosecutor, who last week offered Baxter a plea deal that would've given the father of nine credit for the three months spent in custody and released him from jail. He declined.

Now, Baxter faces up to three years and five months in prison.

A truck driver and fundamentalist Christian who wears a long beard, Baxter dressed in flannel shirts and work boots during his two-day trial and had a Bible with him in court. He did not testify before the jury of seven men and five women.

[China_cat]

1. Considering that his wife is pregnant with #10

3 1/2 years in jail will probably be a big relief to her.

[barb162]

12. except how does she feed 10 kids by herself. Breed for the Lord

[warrens]

19. She will "bleed the beast"

Which is to say, go on welfare, self-righteously.

[China_cat]

20. From what I understand

he's not working as it is. So what's the difference...10 to feed by herself (which IS her job after all, she's a woman and taking care of kids is wimmin's work)...or 13 1/2 in another 3 1/2 years?

[barb162]

23. I guess she is way better off with "just "10 although I have to

wonder about her mental state if her idea of childbirth is waddling over to the van in the driveway or the street. What do you make of the van thing? Maybe there is a word "van" in the bible along with the part about circumcision

[China_cat]

24. It fits with the whole

women are only cattle thing that permeates so many evangelical sects.

Supposed to keep popping them out every 9 months...something wrong with you if you don't...and since pregnancy isn't an illness, who needs a doctor? All she needs is a couple other women to help and don't come telling me it's a girl.

I'd be willing to bet that when she isn't pregnant (if that ever happens) the van is also where she (and any daughters) must reside when she's having her period. And yes, it's biblical. The woman being unclean at the time must remove herself. Lev.15:19-30, Lev.20:18, Ezek.18:5-6. For child birth, she's unclean for something like 40 days for a boy and 80 for a girl.

# Women are dirty and sinful after childbirth, so God prescribes rituals for their purification. If a boy is born, the mother is unclean for 7 days and must be purified for 33 days; but if a girl is born, the mother is unclean for 14 days and be purified for 66 days. This is because, in the eyes of God, girls are twice as dirty as boys.
Leviticus 12:1-8


Probably has to home-school that brood, too.

[barb162]

25. I think you are right on all of this. I haven't read the bible

for many years and I forgot about the uncleanliness thing in that book. Now that this bible stuff is coming back to me it makes me wonder why, if women are so unclean, the men would ever want sex with us.

I can't imagine home-schooling 10 kids (unless they don't school the girls because what are girls good for anyway)

Thanks for the biblical references too

[barb162]

26. I just thought of another thing and that is there is an 80 yr. old

Catholic woman I know who had 8 kids and she stopped with her last kid when she was 43 when she had to have a hysterectomy right after the 8th birth aand her Catholic husband (MA: Music) felt she was no longer a "real" woman after that. I purposely put in his degree because even some educated people harbor these weird, disgusting and outmoded anti-female "thoughts."

[ikojo]

27. Many men regardless of education or socio-economic

levels get all freaky after their wives/girlfriends have a baby. It's like they see the women as only mothers and can't imagine having sex with them because in their messed up minds they are sleeping with their own mother.

oy vey!

[alvis]

2. Three years is not enough.

He had his son lay on towels in what was described by witnesses as a dirty bathtub. He used a hunting knife to attempt the procedure, but called 911 when his son began bleeding profusely.


Baxter's 30-year-old wife, Tammy, is said to be pregnant with her 10th child.

...
At least he won't be breeding for three years...

[fluffernutter]

9. shiver. those poor children.

:(

[DemBones DemBones]

3. At least he was smart enough to call 911 when the boy began

"bleeding profusely." I've got to give him credit for that, despite what seems to me to be real stupidity about the circumcision. It indicates he cares about the boy enough to get medical help. It sounds as if the boy wasn't hurt too badly, too. The urologist who treated him said he just closed the wound rather than complete the circumcision.

The article makes clear that these people are living outside the system, all their children having been born in an old van on their property, not in a hospital, so I'd think medical help is something they haven't sought before, at least not often. His wife is supposedly pregnant with her 10th child. If that means he has delivered nine babies, I guess he had reason to think he could manage doing a circumcision and maybe he could have managed to circumcise an 8 day old infant rather than an 8 year old boy.

Too bad he didn't contact a local synagogue for help from the people who really know something about doing ritual circumcision at home. I'd think they'd have told him the operation on an 8 year-old requires a medical doctor.

Moral: Follow your briss.

[GCP]

4. He'd probably rather be seen dead than go in a synagogue

Being such a fundamentalist whacko - after all, he's probably one of those who hate Jews because of the death of Christ.

[DemBones DemBones]

6. Maybe, but it's impossible to know without

talking to the guy personally. He sounds like someone outside the box in many areas and there was no mention of a church or group that influenced him. He and his wife sound to me like a back to the Bible/ back to the land couple. It was noted, for example, that he has a very long beard so that sounds Old Testament, too.

Christians who know anything about the Bible know their faith sprang from Judaism and Jesus was a Jew. Usually, even fundamentalists have a certain amount of respect for Jews, though fundies believe only Christians will go to heaven.

But, if he's just now deciding his sons need to be circumcised, he probably doesn't know a great deal about Judaism, wouldn't know what a briss is. Thank God he knew about 911.

[MountainLaurel]

17. More like covering his own ass

In case his son bled to death. Now, he only gets 3 years. Then, he should be in there for life.

[TexasBushwhacker]

5. It's one thing to be a "fundementalist", it's another to endanger

your children. This reminds me of the Christian Scientist parents who decided to turn over the care of their diabetic son to a CS Practioner and CS Nurse rather than take care of his diabetes the old fashioned way, WITH INSULIN! The poor boy died. He was 11 years old.

[DemBones DemBones]

8. What do you think about parents who won't allow their children

to be vaccinated? Such parents may have religious reasons or they may fear contaminated vaccines, and can have either right wing or left wing views. There is some risk associated with vaccination. Is it wrong for parents to decide against vaccinating their kids?

[Solon]

10. Yes if they endanger public health...

If they want to stay isolated out in the middle of no where, fine, but if they refuse vaccinations and then expect schools to accept, not a chance! I wouldn't want my kids around them.

[TexasBushwhacker]

22. Honestly, I have mixed feelings about this

I actually had a student who's brother was one of those rare cases who had a bad reaction to a DPT vaccine and ended up with brain damage. Now there seems to be an argument about whether or not certain vaccines cause autism. Vaccines should be to protect YOUR child. An unvaccinated child who gets sick can't "start an epidemic" unless there are a bunch of unvaccinated children.

[name not needed]

7. This guy is gonna have fuuuuuuun in prison.

At least Bubba will be able to hold onto the guy's beard in the shower :o

[fortyfeetunder]

11. stupid idiot

Circumcision is close to a major medical procedure once the kid gets older....I think the dad needs a do it yourself vasectomy so he doesn't spread the stupid genes

[barb162]

13. I wonder if dad is circumcised. If not, the 8 yr. old kid can do it

[Endangered Specie]

14. Any chance we can chop his dick off?

[barb162]

15. not a bad idea, this guy will be 36 if he serves his full jail term and

since he seems to be pounding the kids out at the rate of one a year, well he could end up with a lot of fundiekids.

[Bertha Venation]

16. Stupidity? That and failure to live in the real world.

'"It breaks my heart to think that this state would think of me as a child abuser," Baxter said.'

Dude. You are in 2004, not -4000.

The guy needs a lobotomy.

[MountainLaurel]

18. And a vasectomy

Preferably WITHOUT anesthesia. You know, 'cause the bible is all about that "eye for an eye" thing.

:evilgrin:

[Cuban_Liberal]

21. What a moran!

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