Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductees for 2005.

[NightTrain]

Buddy Guy:


The O’Jays:


The Pretenders:


Percy Sledge:


U2:

[WindRavenX]

1. U2

Hells yeah!! :bounce:

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

2. About f*cking time!

[NightTrain]

3. Well, there is the 25-year rule.

Honestly, I didn't know U2 was around as far back as 1979. :shrug:

[corksean]

26. I first saw U2 in the Arcadia Ballroom in Cork 1979

They were crap! Bono seemed to be imitating Bob Geldof (Boomtown Rats) and the sound was dreadful. Saw them again about 6 months later and they blew me away. Still do.

[KDLarsen]

38. They did one hell of a set

at Roskilde Festival in 1982 (a few days after I was born actually - same city too :D) - I have a bootleg of that gig somewhere.

[tuvor]

4. I'm not in any hurry.

You have to be around 25 years before you can be inducted.

Hearing this is just the icing on my 40th birthday cake later this month.

Ah, well, turning 40 is better than the alternative. But how did I get here so quickly?????

[Revillusion1]

5. Whoa....

I remember when all the inductees were a bunch of old guys way before my time...now some aren't, and it makes me feel old...:cry:

[Atlas Mugged]

44. So....

..."ageism" comes back to bite yet another firm, plump, youthful ass.

[Bluzmann57]

6. These bands all better fall to their knees

and worship Buddy Guy. Mr. Buddy Guy is a pioneer in the music world and his induction is long overdue. An innovator, one of the first and best to bring Rock and Blues together as one(almost). He does all the antics like playing with his teeth, behind his back, jumping around, etc. Congratulations to the great Buddy Guy.

[gizmo1979]

7. heard he was a jerk

i mean areal jerk

[Bluzmann57]

11. Not to me he wasn't

One hell of a nice guy. I had the pleasure of meeting him twice, once at his club in Chicago and once backstage at the Mississippi Valley Blues Fest. Smiling and always joking around. Now that he's older, maybe he is getting grouchy, it happens to a lot of us.

[warrens]

17. I've met Buddy a couple of times

Genial and self-deprecating. I love the guy. And can he PLAY????

[Radical Activist]

13. Guy might be the best living guitar player

There are some other great names on that list though!

[ProfessorGAC]

46. Really?

I went and saw him at his own club about 4 or 5 years ago and i thought the other guitar player in his own band was better than Buddy. Admittedly, his other guitar player was REAL, REAL, good.

I don't dislike him, but i after that, i sure couldn't put him on my "best guitarists alive" list.
The Professor

[FarLeftRage]

8. Hooray for all!

Didn't expect U2 in so soon. :toast:

But The Pretenders, yeah! :bounce: :toast:

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

9. has any band been inducted with as much commercial and critical acclaim

still going in their career? let's face it, the stones had fizzled by this point (harlem shuffle, anyone?), the beatles had split, as had zeppelin

most of the others that were still doing good work were doing poorly in sales (pretenders are an example-a superb and great band still-chrissie is a goddess-but not a big seller)

u2 may be in the best shape at the 25 year mark than any other inductee yet

now let's just get patti smith and the cure in there

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

10. I want to see Wings inducted.

[Lady Effingbroke]

14. Wings in 2006!

[Atlas Mugged]

15. Yes - I love 'Harlem Shuffle'.

And they've hardly fizzled out since then. Their tours are always top grossers, and their cd sales are hardly anything to sneer at.

I bought U2's latest today. It's good - but it's hardly the Second Coming that everyone's yakking about. And I've never seen a group so desperately promote an album as U2 has with this one.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

19. don't get me wrong, i love the stones up til 'tatoo you'

but it goes downhill for me from there with a few good moments (saint of me, mixed emotions) few and far between

as far a desperately promoting something-at least u2 has a new album to promote. it would be nice if mick and keith would put out some new material for these recent $300 a ticket tours. bridges to babylon was 7 years ago. when albums are this sporadic, it's no wonder creativity suffers.

i'd like to see them at least attempt something new, though instead of cashing in on past glories

[mitchum]

29. "Dirty Work" was the Rolling Stones release where I found that...

I could no longer make any excuses for them. Their remake of "Harlem Shuffle" is good, but the rest of the album is dreck.
Their releases of new material over the past 15-20 years have actually been disappointing saleswise. Nevertheless, their tours are always the year's top grossing. Unless they are competing with a Beatle. McCartney's tour outgrossed their's a couple of years ago. I guess some things never change :)

[NightTrain]

32. For me, the Stones were at their best from "Satisfaction" to...

...EXILE ON MAIN STREET. Yes, they made some good records after EXILE, but none of them compared to the band's almost consistently great output from 1965-72.

[mitchum]

34. I wouldn't quibble with that at all...

I particularly enjoy the period of "Beggar's Banquet" to "Exile on Main Street"
No one could touch them

[Atlas Mugged]

45. Not their greatest album

And they readily admit it. This was also the phase where Keith and Mick were barely speaking to each other. However, 'One Hit (To The Body') is a masterpiece. 'Too Rude' is marvelous, and 'Sleep Tonight' is one of my favorite Keith toons. I also like the title song. Having said that - 'Back To Zero' is one of the worst songs ever recorded by anybody.

[Atlas Mugged]

39. However, back to your point...

...that the Stones had fizzled out commercially and critically after receiving the hall of fame award: when the Steel Wheels tour happened, the Stones were very much the Next Big Thing. The tour was huge and sales of the cd were outstanding. Hardly what I'd call "fizzled out". Same with the Voodoo Lounge tour. Whatever.

Given the age difference, U2 are currently in their Steel Wheels phase.

That's MY point.

And as much as I like U2 (have all their cds, go to their concerts here and abroad, just like other groups I like) they will never have the legacy that the Stones have. U2 came in at a time when the playing field had already been leveled.

And, since we're on the subject - Aerosmith sucks.

[HEyHEY]

12. There should be a rule you can't be inducted until you disband

Tht way bands would maybe go away after 20 FUCKING YEARS

[warrens]

16. Buddy Guy and Percy

FUCK U2. And The Pretenders do not belong, much as I like them.

Please jesus, no U2. Oh PLEEEEEZ

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

18. Thank God they acknowledged Buddy while he is still alive.

I saw him at the late, great "Circle Star Theater" in San Carlos California on a bill with B.B. King, Dr. John, and The Fabulous Thunderbirds (post-Jimmy Vaughn edition).

If there's anyone reading this who hasn't seen Buddy perform live, make it a point to do so...the sooner the better. The "Real Deal" label isn't hype...and yeah, once he plugs in that guitar, he IS absolutely "Stone Crazy."

:toast:

[Droolian]

20. Another year and my band is overlooked again!

[NightTrain]

21. Would you care to name that band?

Enquiring minds want to know! :hi:

[progressoid]

22. Buddy Guy, O Jays maybe Percy Sledge but

U2 doesn't need anymore ego strokin. And I like the Pretenders but Hall of Fame? Maybe its a little too soon for these two.

[NightTrain]

23. I love Percy, but I'd rather have seen Grandmaster Flash get in this year.

You wanna talk about a pioneer? Grandmaster Flash created the art of scratching, baby! :headbang:

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. Scratching is NOT

a rock n roll thing.

[NightTrain]

28. Bullshit!

Rap and hip-hop has produced some of the most creative music of the past 25 years. And a decent chunk of it has had rock 'n' roll attitude.

[brentspeak]

24. I don't know - the quality of performers in the Hall is just getting worse

There's already plenty of artists in the Hall who really do not measure up to the standard of "greatness": AC/DC, LaVern Baker, The Impressions, Bobby Blue Bland, Ruth Brown, Crosby Stills & Nash, Santana, James Taylor, Solomon Burke, Brenda Lee, George Harrison as a solo artist...

I lot of the above I think were very good artists. But up there with the Beatles, Stones, Chuck Berry, Led Zep? C'mon! And since when was Etta James a Rock'n'roll artist? Buddy Guy, as excellent as he is, is not really rock 'n roll, not by a long shot. But he's better than everybody else inducted this year, even U2, who I like a lot.

Have they forgotten about the greatest southern rock band of all time, Lynyrd Skynyrd?

[tigereye]

27. but without the blues and r and b

would there have been rock and roll? Can't agree with you on Ruth Brown, Solomon Burke, and Brenda Lee, either. They paved the way. Etta James was touted and supported by the Stones in her early days, as well. She can really belt.




Personally, I am really glad to see Buddy Guy in there. And The Pretenders and U2.

[Atlas Mugged]

43. Ironically - Keith Richards saved Etta's life

After he had cleaned up (which people, wallowing in schaudenfreude, refuse to acknowledge) he took on Etta, who was spiraling down on a heroin and booze binge. And she acknowledges this. She also admits to saying, the first time she was told she would tour with the Stones, "You mean those skinny English fags?".

[mitchum]

53. He may be off heroin, but he is now a raging alcoholic and blowhound...

I'm not advocating junk, but it is impossible to deny that his output when he was an addict was certainly better than the dreck he now produces on a steady diet of vodka, orange soda, and cocaine :)

[NightTrain]

30. Well, let's see....

LaVern Baker - When she had good material, she made knockout records. If you only know LaVern for her uptempo novelty stuff, you're only getting part of the story. Check out her ballads like "Soul On Fire," "My Happiness Forever," and "I Cried A Tear," not to mention the soul records she made in the '60s.

The Impressions - Fuck yeah, they belong in the Hall of Fame! "For Your Precious Love," "Gypsy Woman," "It's All Right," "Keep On Pushing," "Amen," "People Get Ready," "Woman's Got Soul," "Can't Satisfy," "We're A Winner," "This Is My Country," "We're Rolling On," "Choice of Colors," "Fool For You," "Check Out Your Mind," "Finally Got Myself Together".... That's an impressive string of great records, baby! And they all hit the charts.

Bobby "Blue" Bland - For sheer vocal talent, this man easily belongs in the HoF. It never ceases to amaze me how Bland can so fully put himself inside a song and extract every droplet of emotion from its lyrics. I can't think of any white rocker since Roy Orbison who placed his breathtaking voice at the service of a song even half as well as Bobby "Blue" Bland has.

Crosby, Stills & Nash - OK, they're not one of my personal favorites, but their harmony was seamless and impeccable. As a longtime fan of vocal group harmony, CS&N get my vote for the HoF!

Santana - Hey, Ritchie Valens, the first Latino rocker, got in, so why not the most successful Latino rock band ever? What I've always liked about Santana is how the group wears their numerous musical influences on their sleeve. Besides, I can listen to "Black Magic Woman" 100 times in a row and still want to hear it again!

James Taylor - Feh. He bores the shit out of me. Bland, soulless crapola.

Solomon Burke - I was surprised that he got in, but glad as well. Most rock fans know Burke not for his own recordings, but for remakes of his tunes by others. That a shame too, because King Solomon could sing the hell out of an R&B tune! For an excellent overview of Burke's Atlantic output, check out Rhino's two-CD anthology, HOME IN YOUR HEART. It may just change your mind about his not belonging in the Hall of Fame.

Brenda Lee - Though I prefer her late '50s rockabilly stuff to the string of syrupy pop hits she had in the early '60s, I can still see Brenda Lee in the HoF. After all, for such a petite kid, she sang her scrawny little ass off!

George Harrison - This time we agree. Harrison was already in as one of the Beatles. Why induct him again? (I also feel that way about Eric Clapton being inducted THREE goddamned times!)

[tigereye]

49. as usual, you said it better and more thoroughly

than I would have been able to!

[mitchum]

33. Not "the greatest southern rock of all time" but possibly...

the greatest American rock band of all time. Skynyrd were THAT good.
And that's coming from someone who also loves The Velvet Underground, Byrds, Television, Crazy Horse, CCR, Stooges...

[Floogeldy]

31. I luv 'em all!

Beautiful.

[KSAtheist]

35. Ever since they let the Bee Gees in...

I can't take them seriously. Where is Kraftwerk? The Cure? Siouxsie and the Banshees? The fucking Sex Pistols?

All a hundred times more influential then the O'Jays. They were talented, but who did they influence? Name me one person that was inspired to go out and form a band after listening to the O'Jays.

I hate Percy Sledge.

[Maestro]

41. I agree with Kraftwerk and The Cure

Especially Kraftwerk. They were making techno "musik" first before anyone else.

[Dukkha]

48. The Cure will qualify next year

Boys Don't Cry was 1980

Bauhaus and Joy Division qualified this year and didn't make it x(

[Tyrone Slothrop]

52. Actually, the Cure's UK debut was 1979

Three Imaginary Boys.

It's just been expanded and reissued for its 25th anniversary.

I don't know how the Hall of Fame looks upon UK (or other foreign debuts) vs. US ones.

[TyeDye75]

36. Two things will survive Nuclear holoccaust

cockroaches and U2

[WCGreen]

37. The pretenders do not belong in the Hall of Fame....

Chrissie hails from right down I-77 from me....

U2 is probably as influential and seamlessly talented as the Beatles...

Look at how many different styles of Music they have embraced over the years...

The only that saves them from Beatles plateau is they only have one lead singer.....

[Maestro]

40. Yes U2!!!!!!

Some of the best concerts I have ever seen! I saw them at the Bronco Bowl with The Alarm I think in '83.





Now if Rush could be inducted that'd be great.

[SmileyBoy]

42. 2025 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees:

Soundgarden
Rage Against The Machine
Radiohead
Pearl Jam
Green Day

[Rabrrrrrr]

47. What the hell are the Pretenders doing in there?

Did they play in tune? Sure they did. Did they play in tempo? Yup.

But that's all I can come up with for any reason to induct them, and if that's where the standards have gone down to, then I can't respect the R&R Hall of Fame.

In fact, I have to say, I was really surprised to see the level of talent and influence being recognized this year. Usually it's a bunch of shit. Apart from the Pretenders, this is a good crop of inductees this year.

They could have done better, but they could have done a lot worse.

But take the Pretenders off, please.

[Deja Q]

50. You mean, they pretended to be good?

:wow:

[tigereye]

51. boo hiss Rabrrr

c'mon, Chrissie was one of the first female "punk" type musicians to make it big, her songs are good and were pretty impressive at the time. Back to Ohio (it's use by Rush and her own questionable political forays notwith-standing), Brass in Pocket, and Back on the Chain Gang for starters are great songs. She has continued to make pretty good, not earth shattering, music. She was ahead of her time and I bought everything they did at the time.