So, uh, let's hear it for unattractive members of the opposite sex!

[bloodyjack]

This thread is a celebration of unattractive members of the opposite sex

And let them rest assured in the knowledge that someone SOMEWHERE thinks they are good-looking!

:loveya:

[FizzFuzz]

1. I feel like I should say something, since I rant about this subject!

frequently!
Looksism. It hits women hard in this culture. Hits men too, but not as destructively and constantly as it does women.

But I don't know what else to say, because there's just so much wrongness about the cultural (entire human race's?) obsession with women's looks.

Nice of you to mention the subject. Non-babes have worth too! :hi:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

3. Succinct.

Bringing things back down to earth. I like that.

[FizzFuzz]

5. thanks! I tried to respond to your Skinny Women thread a moment ago

but it was locked!! Weird!

So I used those thoughts in another thread just now. The one about what's up with all the fat/thin threads.

Just a little more analysis than I went into here.

and my attempted post to you, Tom, was not a foam. (<---HAH! typo! but it's funny!. ok I meant flame...)..so, it wasn't a flame, just seizing a perfect lead in to this very subject!!

And I could see your appology was real. I so respect people who can take that small step. It's not so hard (well sometimes it is. heh heh), but it's pretty rare.

ok ok, I'm tired of sounding so serious now....

:hi:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

10. Thanks. I'm sorry it was locked. Sometimes, tongue and cheek

go unnoticed as being tongue in cheek. It was a bit of parody on previous threads and was aimed at slamming the Madison Avenue idea that all beauty is slender in women.

Beauty is far beyond physical appearance IMHO.

Cheers to you, FizzFuzz!

[FizzFuzz]

17. yes I did catch that it was a joke on the I hate Skinny Puppy thread.

Still, it's a subject I will never shy away from ranting about.

If you're interested in a deconstruction of how these public attitudes affect women, have a look at the What's Up with all the Fat/thin threads. Post #21.

Hey I'm plugging my own post, but I guess we all think we say some pretty clever things here, or else we wouldn't be intellectual elitists, right? ;)

:toast: cheers yourself!

[tjdee]

12. Men are more visual, that's why.

It has something to do with basic gender differences, so I've read/heard/don't remember. Men are stimulated visually, women are...um...don't remember. Tactily? Emotionally, probably. But that's not a sense....

[FizzFuzz]

14. yes, I know that's generally true.

Actually, I'm very visual too. And I'm bi, so I realllly like looking at girls, even though I'm in a rel. with a man. But yes, looks, men or women, matter to me in terms of turned-on-factor-ness.

But, even though I am visual, I seem to be able to curb my impulses and not give preferential treatment to men or women I think are hot. And even as a hormone-raging teenager, I was able to refrain from publicly hooting or jeering at specimens I either approved of or disliked, respectively. This restraint seems to be generally more true of women than of men. Any unasked for attention to my or other women's physical attributes I have ever witnessed, in my entire life, has been from men.

[tjdee]

21. I think you're right.

You make a good point there.

I always thought of it as women being better able to look past the looks, which is kind of what you said--but you said it better.

:)

[FizzFuzz]

24. I can get wordy sometimes, that's a fact.

sometimes I even make sense! ;)

:toast:

[Nikia]

22. We are obsessed even when we shouldn't have to be

I am married. I don't have as good of a job as I would like but it's alright. I have some good friends. Why should I care at all if I am attractive? A man in a similiar situation usually doesn't.
Strangely though, I have probably been described as unattractive more by women than men. What does that mean? Do women judge some physical attributes more than men or were those mean "popular" girls trying to trick me into thinking that I was ugly?

[enigmatic]

25. It happens to men, too...

Often. Trust me on this.

I just we could all say that it's a bad thing w/o assigning blame to one sexes because both sexes do way, way too much.

The one thing I wish this Christmas for everyone is to be happy about who you are, and what you are. Life is too short to be doing otherwise.

[CO Liberal]

2. I Thought We Agreed - NO ANN COULTER THREADS!!!

:-)

[Spinzonner]

4. Which raises the question

How do you put a paper bag over someones's soul ?

[gorbal]

6. Me, Me,

I'm unnattractive, but not for my looks, for my personality. I have a good heart and all, but you sort of have to weave through alot of bad jokes, odd facial contortions and irritating giggles to see it:)

[Spinzonner]

16. You also have spelling problems

:-)

[Skittles]

7. Dave Atell - I want to oil up his bald head and romp with him

yes INDEED!

[NorthernSpy]

8. actually, yes, altho "handsome" and "attractive" are very different things

I knew a man once who wasn't tall, or big, or gorgeous -- and by some measures maybe didn't even make it up to "average".

And yet, no matter who you put him next to, he somehow managed to be the only person there...





Miss him.

[tjdee]

9. Women love unattractive men. See: Ric Ocasek, Gene Simmons, Joey Ramone...

Donald Trump, Hugh Hefner...

Women aren't too picky in the looks department as long as a guy/woman has something else going for him.

[u4ic]

15. Those guys all have fame and money

and in the case of Trump, a bad rug.

What about the financially and/or physically modest guys? I think many women are getting 'pickier' (not in a bad sense) now that they have more financial power...no more, "I'll take whatever toad comes along just so I can be taken care of".

[tjdee]

20. Well, those are just celebrities, but it happens a lot.

I mentioned those because everyone knows they're not gorgeous men.

And those guys don't get girls because they're rich (well, except Mr. Trump!)--they get them because they're confident and talented. When men say that women are after the money, many times the attraction is to confidence (though money is nice).

Any old guy on the street will still have ONE woman (at least!) who loves him eventually--because he's kind, or really loves her, or is very smart...

[short bus president]

11. 'If ya wanna be happy for the rest of your life

never make a pretty woman your wife. So from my personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you.'

;-)

[Left Is Write]

13. Attractive is a subjective term, of course. EVERYONE is attractive

to someone. :)

[gmoney]

18. I'm not.

Oh well...

[Lydia Leftcoast]

19. No man is unattractive if he has wit, intelligence, and a kind heart

The trouble is that the nice guys are usually chasing the manipulative brat-women who break their hearts and shrivel their egos.

Meanwhile, they leave the women of wit, intelligence, and kindness sitting on the sidelines, just because they don't look like the women on TV.

By the time they wake up, they're already married to the brat women and have children.

[NightTrain]

23. Society would've considered my first two girlfriends unattractive.

But fuck society! What those two may have "lacked" on the outside, they more than made up for with good hearts and kind souls. I only wish I hadn't been such a little asshole back then; maybe I would've appreciated those girls more! :(