Will artificial intelligence tolerate the human race

[Swede]

Benign or malignant ai?

[kodi]

1. read olaf stapledon's "last and first men" from 1932 for your answer

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[Swede]

2. Dan Simmons "Hyperion" and "Endymion" series

dealt with this topic.

[Homer12]

3. Kodi. Have you read "Starmaker"?

[kodi]

5. of course, all of his works. he stands alone in the genre, a giant

i have turned on so many "supposedly" knowledgable fans of science fiction onto stapledon, and all tell me after reading "last and first men" and "star maker" that they saw so many of the themes in works by later authors in his books.

there has been no one who has shaped the field like stapledon. his philosophic view is unparalleled in the field.

his "starmaker" is about the best thing written about the cosmos, and funny, he forcast the multiplicity of universes that modern string theory predicts. and "odd john" is amazing as a portrait in the problems of genius.

"Little by little, more and more of us are realizing that the true way of life, for the individual, and for the race as a whole, is to live for something other than the individual, and in a sense, even other than the race. Only if we regard ourselves and our human species as instruments for the fulfilling of the spiritual potentiality of this planet, can we find real peace."

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/7628/stapledon/

http://www.cordwainer-smith.com/stapledon.htm

I am so glad that you are a fan of his. his work is more important each day.

ps; i finshed "star maker" a couple of weeks ago, for about the 20th time. i read it and "last and first men" each year or so.

:)

[Homer12]

7. Olaf 10 vs. Clarke and Asimov 5

I agree stapeldon is/was the best and most profound writers we have ever had (In my opinion Olaf and H.P. Lovecraft were the most visionary writers thus far).

[kodi]

8. only ted sturgeon comes close in my mind, because of his actual writing

stapledon had great vision, sturgeon was a master at writing. heinlein called sturgeon the very best in the field, because of his command of the language and that he could write in so many voices within a single story, each so distinctive that one could know who was speaking simply by the words the character was saying.

sturgeon's last book "God Body" summed up sturgeon's life and philosophy, "love one another." "venus plus x" is another great one of his and precedes the philosophic bent he followed with "God Body."

and he wrote what i consider is the best short story in science fiction, "the microcosmic god"

actually i stumbled onto stapledon while in college 30 years ago in a university library looking up one of sturgeon's books, (the names were so close that their books were right next to each other on the shelves!, i plucked up "star maker" from the shelf and sat on the concrete floor for about three hours reading it, fascinated at what i was reading, and that has made all the difference.

go to the first site i linked, then go to the biography listed. its amazing.

[moof]

4. Yes, if they are not too intelligent

n/t

[MissMarple]

6. "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream"

by Harlan Ellison. That was as scary as "Dracula" when I read it in 8th grade.

[Ladyhawk]

9. We are already carrying out plans to expunge you from the planet.

n/t

[OldEurope]

12. Shhhhh!

Don´t warn them!!!

:eyes:

[Ladyhawk]

16. Oh yeah. Sorry about that.

My bad.

[Scaramouche]

10. The question is will the human race tolerate intelligence,

artificial or otherwise?

[emad]

11. Reminds me of the John Cleese sketch, where he's discussing

life in space: "Intelligent life in outerspace? How about looking fir intelligent life on planet earth?"

[Atlant]

15. The Galaxy Song

THE GALAXY SONG
By Monty Python

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
and revolving at 900 miles an hour,
It's orbiting at 19 miles a second, so it's reckoned,
the sun that is the source of all our power.
The Sun and you and me, and all the stars that we can see,
are moving at a million miles a day,
In the outer spiral arm, at 40,000 miles an hour,
of the Galaxy we call the Milky Way.

Our Galaxy itself contains 100 billion stars,
it's 100,000 light-years side-to-side,
It bulges in the middle, 16 000 light-years thick,
but out by us it's just 3 000 light-years wide.
We're 30,000 light-years from galactic central point,
we go round every 200 million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
in this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,
in all of the directions it can whizz,
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light you know,
twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
how amazingly unlikely is your birth,
Pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
because there's bugger all down here on Earth.

[HawkerHurricane]

13. Artificial Intellegence is no match

for natural stupidity.

[Atlant]

14. Not for very long. (NT)

[NashVegas]

19. AI Will Need Humans

The same way computers and other automated task machines need us now. Someone's gotta power the fuckers.

[Ladyhawk]

17. Here's another angle...

How many movies, books, etc. can you think of that have dealt with this very topic?

AI: Artificial Intelligence (movie)

Star Trek: TNG (TV program; Data)

Terminators 1-3 (movies)

The Ender series by Orson Scott Card (books: AI program named "Jane" on interstellar Internet)

Some book by Isaac Asimov that I never read and can't remember the name of...but I think it inspired "Data"

Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams (Deep Thought)

That Robin Williams movie...what was it called? Millenium Man or something...

I bet there are tons.

[HawkerHurricane]

18. Bicentenial Man

Based on the book/short story by Isaac Asimov.

May I also suggest the short story 'Solace' by Spider Robinson, for an entirely different take...

And the longer story, 'When H.A.R.L.I.E. was One (version 2.0) by David Gerrold.

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. More books

The 'Culture' books by Iain M. Banks. They also deal with socialism and war, for good measure.

[HEyHEY]

20. If the want the plugs kept in they will