"You can't be Catholic and Pro-Abortion"

[buckettgirl]

I saw this on a bumper sticker while I was picking my husband up from work. (I live in western Kansas in a little town)
These are the kind of people that are truly ignorant about anything outside their small-town life - very closedminded.
If that pickup would have stopped before I turned into my driveway I would have been extraordinarly tempted to give them a piece of my mind.
I wonder how many children they have adopted or what they have done to help poor mothers.

on edit: I also don't know anyone who is truly "pro-abortion" - ya know, most people want to keep it safe and rare rather than an optional form of birth control.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

1. I've seen that sticker in Massachusetts too

[koneko]

16. Me too, in Massachusetts

I was driving to work Monday morning, and after the snow squalls, the road was still icy. I was soooooo tempted to let my car 'slide' into his when I saw it.

I figured that even with my Kerry & anti-B bumperstickers, that I could blame it on the weather & icy conditions. . .

[LiviaOlivia]

24. Why is this in lounge?

this is a reply to the originator

[roguevalley]

2. but you can be pro-war and death penalty. And you can ignore

the plight of two billion people.

[texastoast]

3. The "pro-abortion" phrase

Is just "politically correct" nonsense.

Proabortion = Prochoice

Prolife = Antichoice

A bunch of Orwellian crap.

"I wonder how many children they have adopted or what they have done to help poor mothers."

Probably zero. They don't like to think that some of those children will end up on the welfare rolls at taxpayers' expense. Whatever you do, don't give them any facts. They can't handle it. All they want to do is tell other people how to behave.

[CatholicEdHead]

4. Key is the "pro-abortion" term

Instead of pro-life. You can spin it much differently from there.

There are many Catholics who are being exposed to born-again proganda tweaked for Catholics but disguised as coming from conservative Catholics. It is a trojan horse in the church.

I heard crap like this all election season long.

[BlueJazz]

5. Out of all the people I've talked to about abortion including...

...my travels in a band, working as a sales clerk and now as a Microsoft Network engineer, I have never, ever, ever met ONE person who was "Pro-Abortion"
...And these fools still use it in their ridiculous signs....groan...

[Malva Zebrina]

6. You cannot be pro-life and also against choice.

and you cannot think that abortion is murder/manslaughter and also claim to be pro-choice at the same time.

It that were the case, then you need to get onto prosecuting every woman who chooses abortion, as her LEGAL right because any murderer is subject to prosecution and PUNISHMENT under the law.

How can anyone claim they think abortion is killing and murder and then claim to be pro-choice? And I have seen that fallacy repeated here on DU many times.

If one thinks it murder then the next step is, of course, to prosecute women who have abortion, and send them to death row.

Don't think that could happen? If enough people think it killing and murder to have an abortion, then they have bought into PUNISHMENT against women, under the law. That is the logical conclusion and any other claims that they are pro-choice, run foul.

[UdoKier]

7. Who's pro-abortion?

Don't know anybody like that.

It's a profound CHOICE, not a fad. Nobody is FOR it. It's just something that may become necessary in a woman's life, and only she can decide if it's the right thing to do.

YOu know how they always say "Nobody LIKES war, but (insert lame right-wing excuse for Iraq)." But you know that deep down, most of them really LOVE war?

Well, they probably think that we are as dishonest as they are and that we actually LIKE abortion.

Sorry, repukes and fundies, we will never match you in lust for innocent blood.

[Raster]

18. No one is pro-abortion, but many are pro-choice.

Next time ask the asshole if they believe in the death penalty.

Prolife = Antichoice

Oh, and they're usually antichoice until their precious little 15-year old daughter gets knocked up, then she goes to "visit" her out-of-state "aunt" for a few days. Little family secret. Then they usually get RABID antichoice... it's a guilt thing.

[goodboy]

8. you can't be pro-life, and pro-war at the same time....(nt)

[Deja Q]

9. "You can't be pro-life and (pro-death-penalty, pro-war, or pro-Bush)."

That's my response.

[demosincebirth]

10. thats how they twist the words. I'm Catholic, and very much pro choice...

not pro abortion.

[Evergreen Emerald]

11. I just got a bumper sticker...

..."Oh look honey, another pro-lifer for war."

[hickman1937]

12. Real Catholics Don't CherryPick.

Abortion will stop when this country starts defending and protecting the babys and their mothers. Poverty and the death penalty are post birth abortion.

[jakefrep]

13. Sad thing is...

that many of the anti-choice zombies say "Real Catholics don't cherry-pick."

[hickman1937]

15. And then they do. Jesus hated hypocrits.

I was born and raised a Catholic, then fell away, sinned and repented. Until recently I just wanted to be good enough to go back. It grieves me now to know that the Church I loved is gone. I don't know where to go now.

[SOteric]

14. Catholicism deals with the laws of god and the hearts of man.

The matters of abortion are of the laws of man.

In the firm belief of this practicing Catholic, it is the responsibility of the church to change the hearts of mankind so that they will obey the laws of god from desire, not from worldly legal obligation.

It never has been and never should be a mission of the church to change the laws of mankind. To do so interferes with the practice of free will and good works, and is undue influence on legislature which should remain accessible regardless of faith.

[miss_kitty]

17. I saw that here in Seattle yesterday, I think

They mean "pro-Choice" and use 'Abortion' as a hyperbolic fire starter.

It's an arrogant opinion, and while I'm not a Christian or a Catholic, I do believe the church and the bible have opinions on this: "Judge not, lest ye be judged" springs to mind.

Only the Pope can say if you're not Catholic anymore. Not some assclown with a bumper sticker.

[Not_Giving_Up]

19. I saw it in Texas too

It's everywhere!

[PittPoliSci]

20. i see them here in suburban Pittsburgh, PA too.

anti abortion nuts aren't just a staple of red states, I assure you.

[JVS]

21. It all depends on whether the Church decides to crack down.

Catholic teachings are very much opposed to abortion and those who contradict the teachings of the Church are liable to be excommunicated and thus no longer be Catholics. And before anyone says "What about the war" or some other argument, remember, authority to make these decisions is that of the clergy, not the judgement of the individual parishoner. Sorry, but that's how it works in Catholicism.

[miss_kitty]

22. but it's like I said in my post

the Pope determines who is no longer a Catholic, not some asshat with a bumper sticker.

[JVS]

25. Of course a bumpersticker has no authority...

unless maybe it is on the pope-mobile

[miss_kitty]

26. Ok i'll give you that.

I did THINK about the Popemobile Babe magnet...but I never went so far as to place a bumper sticker on His vehicle. That would be an encyclical, at least for dummies, and would make that statement True. But until I see it on the Popemobile...

[hickman1937]

28. Balls

The authority of the church is the Pope. Period. these baptist wannabe bishops are taking advantage of the Pope's slide into death to make their own policys. Woe to them when he dies and a younger Pope takes his place. They will not be thanked for their corruption of their communities.

[JVS]

29. And what if the next pope decides to push the issue?

[hickman1937]

32. Than the Church I loved is truly dead

[sandnsea]

30. So not true

The only way they can even consider excommunication is if you actually have an abortion or help someone physically get one. That's doctrine.

[JVS]

31. If you teach contrary to the Church you can always face excommunication

If you publicly go around telling people that the Catholic church is wrong on abortion, you can be excommunicated. Not by the rules governing abortion, but by the rules governing disobedience.


Same thing could happen if you go around claiming to be the legitimate pope, or if you create a fuss about denying the immaculate conception.

[sandnsea]

33. If you teach??

That wasn't the implication of your post, but whatever turns your crank. I guess it's important to you that Catholics be terrified of having their own views on abortion and women's reproductive health.

[JVS]

34. As long as you keep your opinions to yourself they don't care

Even if you open your mouth they'll probably let it slide, but they don't have to.

Notice that I said contradict, not violate. But if it turns your crank to misinterpret others go right ahead.

[SKKY]

23. You're absolutely right. You can't be Catholic and be Pro-Abortion...

...But Anti-abortion and Pro-Choice don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive either.

[Baja Margie]

27. I was Baptised Catholic

and I'm pro-choice.

Heh, this is just as bad as Mel Gibson's far right beliefs that anyone who doesn't go along with his concept of the "True Church" and God are doomed to hellfire.