REGGIE WHITE Quotations...

[arwalden]

Gays are like liars and cheaters

" 'Homosexuality is a decision, it's not a race,' White said. 'People from all different ethnic backgrounds live in this lifestyle. But people from all different ethnic backgrounds also are liars and cheaters and malicious and back-stabbing.' " - Reggie White, Associated Press, March 25, 1998.

Gays hurt children, kill our people

"White said he stands by his remarks regarding gays. `I am going to speak the truth and I am going to speak out against things that's hurting our children, that's killing off our people,' White said. `If people think that's a contradiction and that's hate, they need to take them up with God, not with Reggie White.'" Associated Press, April 26, 1998, quoting White's 20/20 interview.

Gays are like backstabbers and malicious people

PEGGY WEHMEYER of ABC's 20/20: "Just last week, Reggie White and his wife, Sara, met us for an exclusive interview. White told us he was sorry if he offended anyone, but he wasn’t backing down one inch. (on camera) Are you saying there that homosexuals are like liars, cheaters, backstabbers and malicious people?"
REGGIE WHITE "Yes." - ABC's 20/20, April 27, 1998.

"Sodomite community"

"Reggie White's wife said CBS was `'too scared'' to hire her husband as a football commentator because of his controversial speech before the Wisconsin State Assembly. White, the Green Bay Packers defensive lineman who retired and unretired last week, used ethnic stereotypes and called homosexuality `'one of the biggest sins'' in the Bible in his remarks last month. 'They were too scared of the Sodomite community is what they said,' Sara White told ABC's '20/20'." - ASSOCIATED PRESS, April 26, 1998

Gays responsible for STDs

"America is not big enough to shake her fist in the face of a holy God and get away with it, and as I read this I want to explain something. I'm going to read this and then I want to explain something. As America has permitted homosexuality to establish itself as an alternate lifestyle, it is also reeling from the frightening spread of sexually transmitted disease. Sin begets its own consequence, both on individuals and nations."- Remarks by Reggie White to the Wisconsin Assembly, March 25, 1998.

Homosexuality one of the biggest sins

"Let me explain something when I'm talking about sin, and I'm talking about all sin. One of the biggest ones that has been talked about that has really become a debate in America is homosexuality."- Remarks by Reggie White to the Wisconsin Assembly, March 25, 1998.

Gays have problems

"Now, I believe that one of the reasons that Jesus was accused of being a homosexual is because he spent time with homosexuals. I've often had people ask me, would you allow a homosexual to be your friend. Yes, I will. And the reason I will is because I know that that person has problems, and if I can minister to those problems, I will."- Remarks by Reggie White to the Wisconsin Assembly, March 25, 1998.

Being gay compared to lying, gays hurt nation

"But the Bible strictly speaks against it, and because the Bible speaks against it, we allow rampant sin including homosexuality and lying, and to me lying is just as bad as homosexuality, we've allowed this sin to run rampant in our nation, and because it has run rampant in our nation, our nation is in the condition it is today."- Remarks by Reggie White to the Wisconsin Assembly, March 25, 1998.

Offended that gays say deserve rights

"Sometimes when people talk about this sin they've been accused of being racist. I'm offended that homosexuals will say that homosexuals deserve rights. Any man in America deserves rights, but homosexuals are trying to compare their plight with the plight of black men or black people. In the process of history, homosexuals have never been castrated, millions of them never died. Homosexuality is a decision. It's not a race."- Remarks by Reggie White to the Wisconsin Assembly, March 25, 1998.

[DS1]

1. and people act all offended when I offer to shit on his grave

Righteous fucks.

[Renew Deal]

88. You said that you wanted to see an airplane with a team crash in a fireball

with helmets and other shit flying out of the sky. That has nothing to do with Reggie White. You also said that some fundie nut deserves a bullet in the head for harassing a DUer about religion. How compassionately conservative of you.

[ikojo]

91. For some reason, beyond my understanding, once someone

dies (Ronald Reagan for example) people think they are beyond criticism and that it is wrong to say something bad about them.

BULL!

If they were a jerk while living, dying did not turn them into a saint.

[Behind the Aegis]

2. I remember these statements

Good job pulling them up...post them on the other threads as well!! It is sad someone dies so young, but it is just as sad that someone like this is admired and his words inspire others to spread homophobia! I am surprised that some here are acting as if a hero has died; he was no hero, he was a fucking football player!

[Solly Mack]

3. Yes and his god has called him home

O8)

"drop kick me jesus through the goal post of life"

[CO Liberal]

8. He Should Be Reaching Roasting Temperature by Now

:-)

[Solly Mack]

13. That song was the first thing I thought of when I heard he was dead

but then I'm warped. :)

[StClone]

4. Reggie was studying Hebrew when he died

So say the media and he was pulling away from Christianity. I don't know what to make of this but I wonder if he was conflicted by his beliefs.

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. Steroids

must have caused brain damage

[CO Liberal]

49. No....

...his interpretation of religion is what damaged his brain, IMHO.

[proud2BlibKansan]

52. But I wonder if the steroids

warped him mind into believing the Xtian nonsense.

[MountainLaurel]

5. What a charmer

If this guy is headed to heaven, I think I'll take my chances with hell.

[Bluzmann57]

6. According to some reports

he recanted those statements and was looking at his religious beliefs in a different light. But I suppose those of you who are perfect just are unable to accept that and also unwilling to forgive him. Oh well, I guess if you all want to set back the gay rights movement, thats a pretty good way of going about it. As for me, RIP Reggie White. I will remember the good you did for the communities in which you resided.

[arwalden]

9. Oh Brother! He "apologized" because he wanted to keep his endorsements...

Sorry, I'm not so naive to believe the sincerity of any "recanted" statement or "apology" that's clearly being made to mollify the folks at Campbells or Nike or SCJohnson (or whoever) just so that they wouldn't cancel his endorsement deal.

In April of 1998... the folks at Nike made the following statement"

We welcome Reggie White back as a Nike athlete to another season of exciting NFL football. With regard to his recent remarks before the Wisconsin Assembly, Mr. White has issued an apology to those who may have been offended. Therefore, we are prepared to continue support of his commitment to excellence on the field and his established record of community service throughout the country.

BUT WITHIN DAYS, REGGIE WHITE SAYS GAYS HURT CHILDREN AND KILL PEOPLE

In a 20/20 interview, White was anything but apologetic. White said CBS was "...too scared of the Sodomite community...I feel sorry for them because they can't stand the truth."

At that point CBS dropped him from on-air commentary and Campbell's Soup let their contract with him expire -- he endorsed chunky soups.

According to the Associated Press (April 26), White's 20/20 interview included the following statement:

"White said he stands by his remarks regarding gays. `I am going to speak the truth and I am going to speak out against things that's hurting our children, that's killing off our people,' White said. `If people think that's a contradiction and that's hate, they need to take them up with God, not with Reggie White.'"

APOLOGY INDEED!! WHAT HORSE SHIT!!!

>> Oh well, I guess if you all want to set back the gay rights movement, thats a pretty good way of going about it. <<

EVEN MORE HORSE SHIT!!

[jonnyblitz]

11. please.

into melodrama much? :puke: :puke: I sincerely doubt a bunch of people calling out a dead homophobic asshole on a political discussion board is going to set back the gay rights movement very much.

[CO Liberal]

51. Perhape Instead, It Will Remind People....

...of what an absolutely useless asshole Reggie White was. Any good he did on teh football fiels was wiped out by his homophobic public statements, just as the good Charleton Heston did by marching alongside Dr. King was wiped out by his actions as head of the NRA.

[lcordero]

7. two words come to mind, "CLOSET CASE"!!!

Conservatives spend a great deal of time thinking about homosexuals for a reason.

[ariesgem]

69. I was thinking the same thing!

My brother-in-law who's always in and out of jail is now a FANATIC right-wing, born again Christian. The ONLY issue he talks about when he refers to Christianity is gay people and how the world is going to hell because of them.

Mr. Born-Again Christian is back in jail again, just in time for Christmas, due to a parole violation. His mad obsession with gay people leads me to wonder about him having a secret gay life.

[lcordero]

70. have you ever seen the movie, "American Beauty"?

[arwalden]

71. YES!! Col. Frank Fitts, USMC... Classic Example!

[lcordero]

81. ROTFLMAO n/t

[Zomby Woof]

10. Everyone dies

Which is why he gets no special consideration from me. He was racist too, in addition the flagrant hatred displayed in those quotes.

I join DS1 and anyone else in a mass grave-pissing.

[arwalden]

12. MORE BULLSHIT RACIST QUOTES...

White said he has thought about why God created different races. Each race has certain gifts, he said. Blacks are gifted at worship and celebration, White said. "If you go to a black church, you see people jumping up and down because they really get into it,'' he said.

Whites are good at organization, White said.

"You guys do a good job of building businesses and things of that nature, and you know how to tap into money," he said.

"Hispanics were gifted in family structure, and you can see a Hispanic person, and they can put 20, 30 people in one home."

The Japanese and other Asians are inventive, and "can turn a television into a watch,'' White said. Indians are gifted in spirituality, he said.

[Placebo]

76. Oh my god.

What a piece of filth!

[arwalden]

80. I Kno-o-ow! It's Amazing!!

I'll be damned if I understand what some people around here are thinking. Are they TOTALLY in denial? Or are they just trying to excuse his actions because they can "relate" to how he felt, or perhaps because they agree with his faith-based bigotry. Who knows?

[AlienGirl]

93. Lombardi disallowed homophobia Back In The Day

Lombardi had gay players on the team when he coached the Green Bay Packers, and he made it very clear that there was to be no homophobia from his players.

I'd rather remember Lombardi's legacy of tolerance, if I need to think about the Packers at all.

Tucker

[RetroLounge]

14. Here's the place in the local Milwaukee paper

to let them know your views of Reggie:

http://www.jsonline.com/packer/news/dec04/reggiewhite-forum.asp?action=post

Good or bad...

RL

[fortyfeetunder]

15. White is no different from other celebrities

who use their celebrity status as a bully pulpit to broadcast what they truly believe in, whether it's scientifically accurate, or is a bunch of horseshit.

Unfortunately, we have a population in America mired in hero worship. This group will believe almost anything that comes out of a celebrity's mouth. Critical and objective thinking is a foreign concept to these people. And I would imagine a bunch of them voted for *, there seems to be a pattern here.


So celebrity bully pulpits will never cease to exist...not by a long shot!

[mojowork_n]

16. I was going to say "with all due respect", but I don't think I have any...

I'm appalled by the comments here on Reggie White's passing. Not so much, maybe, for the specific context -- dredging up the comments that pretty much ended his career as a media figure -- but for the reminder of how vicious the divide is *inside* the democratic party... between socially conservative, spiritually-centered Christians who also happen to lean Democratic (many, many of whom are black) and the anti- anti-homophobic posse.

Yuck. Talk about "single-issue hysteria" being a problem only among the Republicans. Single-issue Christian-bashing gay advocates who act like idiots do themselves no credit in attacking conservative believers, who for whatever reason, just don't "get it"...

This is a situation that's going to take a lot of work to get any better, and peeing on graves is no way to get it rolling.

[Liberal Veteran]

19. A public figure who uses his bully platform to promote hatred and bigotry

...certainly isn't going to admired posthumously by those who were the targets of his vitriol.

You expect too far too much and you are far too forgiving of bigotry.

[Zomby Woof]

20. I am not single-issue anything

I don't care if anyone is christian.

I DO care if they are racist and bigoted. If those aren't "single issues" worth getting frosted over, what is?

Sorry, you're wrong on this one. This isn't about bashing anyone's faith. It's about bashing their HATE.

[Solly Mack]

21. I stand against hate, racism, and prejudice

If that offends people, fuck'em.

Some people confuse the cheap seats with the highroad.

[arwalden]

23. Horse Shit! -- Of Course Anyone Is Free To Be An Apologist

and a Reggie White defender and advocate... but he used his celebrity status as a bully-pulpit to spew his venom and hatred of gays, whites, Hispanics, and Asians.

"Single-issue hysteria" my fat hairy ass! --- You are free to count me among the people you believe are "acting like idiots" and you're fee to get all worked up into a frothy lather because you think I don't "get it". :eyes:

One good thing about all this... I guess it takes a story like this to ferret out the stealth bigots hiding here at DU. They are popping their little heads up like prairie dogs. I see them. Do you see them?

[mojowork_n]

30. "Getting it"

No, I wasn't trying to say *you* didn't 'get it'. I was saying the other guys weren't 'getting it', including (possibly too charitably, Reggie White himself. How much more sheltered from positive gay role models could you be, than as a Bible-believing pro football player?)

And I don't think I'm being a stealth bigot for saying it might be a reasonable thing to do to cut some slack to a few of those socially conservative types who maybe really *don't* 'get it'. What you're saying about "hatred and prejudice against 'whites, gays, hispanics and Asians' really is over the top.

...Believe me, last September and October I talked to a lot of Black folks who were supporters of Black Milwaukee Republican Corey Hoze, running against Black Democrat Gwen Moore. Their issues were strictly centered on school choice, abortion, and the unbelievable (and yes, idiotic) hostility of a lot of Democrats to the more 'charismatic' and traditional varieties of Christian religious expression.

I don't think that's a "cheap seat" point of view. The High Road is supposed to be the one with an unbiased, unobstructed view of both sides of a controversy. Which means maybe *nobody* has a total monopoly of right on their side. Or enough to justify the sort of rudeness, anger and vitriol that I've seen here.

[arwalden]

31. Thanks For Clarifying That.

Sometimes hastily written posts are easily misunderstood... that happens often to me too.

[Malikshah]

28. Have any respect for what?

For those who were stigmatized by bigoted statements?

Kudos to all who have brought these statements to light.

For too long have those slandered been asked to be "polite" to be "forgiving" to show "respect for the dead" all the while hundreds have been bashed, killed and threatened in the climate that folks like Reggie White and his wife have fostered.

Sorry folks-- the time for politeness is over. The time for consistency in principle and the willingness to stand up for oneself is now.

For those of you who wish to mourn Reggie White-- go for it.

There will be those of us who will not mourn his passing, but rather will remind folks of the hatred that he spewed all in the name of his interpretation of God. Death is not a "get out of jail free" card, folks. I refuse to lie down and allow the hero worship of this bigot to be go forth unanswered.

[mojowork_n]

34. Sorry, I still think it was ignorance, not malice.

OK, yes, I'm from Wisconsin, so I did used to see Reggie interviewed on the news all the time. I honestly believe he would have been as horrified of "bashing and killing in the climate of hate" that you're alleging, as any normal human being. I'm proceeding from the basis of belief that what he said was more ill-informed (even to the point of being silly and ridiculous) than it was "hateful".

If what he said, so pissed you off, OK, go for it, beat up on the old dead jock. I hope it makes you feel better. I'm just not that impressed by the display.

[Misunderestimator]

38. So we should excuse hate speech if the person is "ill-informed?"

[arwalden]

40. To Answer Your Question... NO. --- But Mr. White Wasn't ill-Informed...

he was challenged on his racists and homophobic statements MANY times... yet he defiantly stood by his statements and REPEATED them.


Uh... that is... up until the time when Nike was considering dropping him... then he apologized. ONLY when there was money involved and when he stood to lose a bunch of it, that's when he "apologized".

When Nike accepted his apology, the following week Mr. White started back with has same pattern of bigotry.

He knew exactly what he was doing, and what the impact was.

[Misunderestimator]

42. Totally agree. *I* know that his hate did not come from ignorance...

though apparently his apologist here does ;)

[arwalden]

46. I Know! It's Infuriating Being Told That *I* Should Feel Sorrow For Him...

... and that I should be ashamed at my condemnations of this vile scumbag and my delight that he's gone.

[Rabrrrrrr]

73. It's okay Arwalden, we know that you aren't doing it out of malice,

but that you are only doing it out of being "misinformed".

Sorry, I actually shuddered when I typed that. :puke:

I can't believe anyone actually had the cajones to say that. "Not hateful, just misinformed" - yeah, specifically blaming homosexuals for all the country's ills is just being "misinformed".

Here - read this one: "If it weren't for those damned lazy disease-infested rapist criminal niggers, our white women wouldn't be having children out of wedlock".

Let's just call that a "misinformed" statement.

Sure.

:puke:

[mojowork_n]

87. "specifically blaming homosexuals for all the country's ills..."

Huh?

Where did that conclusion come from?

In fact, you can set up all the out-of-context straw-man quotes you want, and keep knocking them down till doomsday, but what does that prove?

What a pack of whiners. Maybe I didn't express myself as clearly as I should have, but the original purpose of my logging in here was *not* to try and defend any *specific* comments quoted in the original post.

I just found it disturbing that the (once) universally welcoming, wide-wide tent of the democratic party seemed to be collapsing inward a little bit.

S p e c i f i c a l l y... that a lot of socially conservative black folks and (most all y'all representing yourselves in this thread) appear to be having some fundamental differences on rights issues. I was seeing it a few months ago in my local congressional campaign, and couldn't expect much good to come from it. It's not likely to be helpful for the future of the party, or next year's campaigns, or those in the years to follow.

No amount of bile or vomit spewed here is likely to ameliorate that, and that's the fact, Jack.

But that's my own agenda, my priority. I'm not really that thin-skinned when it comes to the 'horrors' of alleged hate speech. Big freakin' deal.

Personally, like a lot of others, I'm also not that impressed with the strained historical comparisons to black and Native American civil rights struggles. I mean, how many centuries did the po' same-sex affectional preference folks pick cotton? Or even worse, cut Caribbean or Bahian sugarcane? How many millions and millions, how many whole populations of indigenous tribesfolk have been lost?

What is the common denominator for any sort of cultural identity?

...I'm just trying to honestly admit that (forget Reggie White), I guess *I'm* pretty ignorant, and ill-informed. Didn't really mean to trip anyone's gag reflex...

[Malikshah]

41. I'm not here to impress anyone

I'm here to point out that ignorance is not an excuse.

It is called taking responsibility for one's actions.

He knew full well of the impact his words would have. He knew full well of the respect he inspired in many. He knew full well of his leadership position.

And he made those statements-- in public...repeatedly.

That is an abuse of power. Any responsible adult would not do that.

As for beating a dead jock. Nope. I'm not dancing on anyone's grave. Elsewhere I've already stated that I feel for his family's loss.

He should not be made out to be the hero though. He wasn't. Any good he might have done on the playing field or elsewhere was wiped out by his furtherance of stereotypes and bigotry.

He helped create a climate in today's society that makes it OK to some to hate.

I don't hate the guy-- but I sure as hell don't respect him, or respect others that would allow his bigotry to be swept aside.

[jonnyblitz]

29. bashing bigotry equals bashing christianity?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. interesting.

[CO Liberal]

53. When People Use Christianity As The Basis Of Their Bigotry....

...you need to bash both, IMHO.

[Liberal Veteran]

54. Religion is often the refuge of the scoundrel and the bigot.

Look at how many white supremecist groups wrap themselves in the Bible, like the group Christian Identity, Aryan Nations, and even the Ku Klux Klan.

Pretending these people aren't using the bible as a weapon, a tool of oppression, and a justification for their own hatreds is ridiculous.

Giving anyone a free pass to be as mean and hateful as they want as long as they dress it up with some religious justification is even more ridiculous.

[jonnyblitz]

57. yup.

:thumbsup:

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[henslee]

17. Fuck Intolerance. Known fact -- plenty of gay dudes in pro football.

[mojowork_n]

22. Known fact?

Name one that's currently in the league, please.

...Or don't. He'd probably be very, very upset with you, or he'd have let us know already...

What's more important, a public person's right to some shred of privacy and dignity, or advancing the hysterical agenda of a single-issue advocacy group?

Yes, by framing the question that way, I'm not really looking for an answer. In fact I'm hoping you can't give me one. Whoever might be named would be sure to have their professional and personal life made very rocky, in no time at all.

[jonnyblitz]

26. the" hysterical agenda?"

basic rights and dignity for gay folks is HYSTERICAL?! if you think like that than no wonder you are an apologist for this asshole.

[Misunderestimator]

27. that "single-issue" mantra is tiresome

But I do thank you for pointing out how very far we still have to go to be accepted in society.

[Name removed]

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[pres2032]

43. speak for yourself

edit: i misread the content of your post. it's amazing how cruel some people can be on this forum when someone dies.


"LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE."
~JESUS CHRIST

[Misunderestimator]

50. Oh goody, we get the Jesus defending a woman's life quote again.

:eyes:

[CO Liberal]

59. When Someone Like Reggie White Is Cruel & Hate-Filled In Life....

...what do you expect when they die???? :shrug:

[arwalden]

63. And It's Also Amazing How Many Stealth Bigots Pop Out Of Their Hidey-Holes

to rush to the aid of a homophobic racist bigot like Reggie White. Have you seen them? They're kinda hard to miss. They are everywhere.

[pres2032]

64. yes, i admit it: i am a homophobe and a bigot

bcause that's what it means when you are against people pissing on the grave of another human being.

[arwalden]

68. Hold Your Horses, Cowboy!

Nobody accused YOU of being anything. You're free to choose to own any general statements and general observations that I make.

But I can point out that you're rushing to the aid of 1) someone who was a racist bigoted homophobic jerk, who 2) used his celebrity status to "preach" his bigotry and hatred of homosexuals, who 3) lobbied in support of policies and laws that discriminated against gay Americans, who 4) used his bully-pulpit to demonize the gay community with his lies, and who only offered half-hearted, mumbled "apologies" that nobody heard.

Why would you do that? Because he was a "human"? So, in your estimation, is his merely being a "human" enough for you to give him a free pass and undeserved respect? Those are pretty low standards.

Are his quiet and humble good deeds for the "community" and other "local" faith based organizations enough to wipe clean his faith-based BIGOTRY that he so loudly proclaimed?

He planted the seeds of bigotry and hatred in the minds of both his adult and child fans. He encouraged that behavior and hatred and tried to "shield" it in the name of Christ. (Lovely, eh?)

It is unfair for you to heap your personal scorn on those who are glad to see him gone and who feel that he deserves his fate.

-- Allen

More black coffee for me please... I need more PISS!!

[CO Liberal]

83. It's Debatable....

...whether that low-life homophobe Reggie White qualifies as a human being. I consider people like him, Fred Phelps, and Pat Robertson to be a lower life form.

[HEyHEY]

18. It isn't polite to speak ill of the dead - so I'm not gonna say anything

:evilgrin:

[Zenlitened]

24. One less bigot in the world. No loss, in fact...

... a measurable gain.

[Misunderestimator]

25. Thanks, Allen for posting these...

what an ass

[CO Liberal]

32. Turning Reggie White's Quotes Around.....

Fundamentalist Christian homophobes are like liars and cheaters

Fundamentalist Christian homophobes hurt children, kill our people

Fundamentalist Christian homophobes are like backstabbers and malicious people

Fundamentalist Christian homophobes are responsible for pain and sufferring in the world

Fundamentalist Christian homophobia is one of the biggest sins

Fundamentalist Christian homophobes have problems

Being a Fundamentalist Christian homophobe can be compared to lying

Fundamentalist Christian homophobes hurt our nation

* * * * *

And I am personally offended that Fundamentalist Christian homophobes say that gays deserve no rights, and that Fundamentalist Christian homophobes are being persecuted for their beliefs.

As an agnostic, I don't really believe in hell. But if there is a hell, I'm sure that's where Reggie White is right now.

[mojowork_n]

35. "gays deserve no rights"

Who the hell is saying that? I mean really, tell me one person in America who's ever said that no gay person is deserving of *any* rights?

Talk about "protesting too much", or at least all out of proportion to the original injury.

[Misunderestimator]

37. Go back and read the OP again... Reggie said it.

For your convenience, from the OP:

Offended that gays say deserve rights

"Sometimes when people talk about this sin they've been accused of being racist. I'm offended that homosexuals will say that homosexuals deserve rights. Any man in America deserves rights, but homosexuals are trying to compare their plight with the plight of black men or black people. In the process of history, homosexuals have never been castrated, millions of them never died. Homosexuality is a decision. It's not a race."- Remarks by Reggie White to the Wisconsin Assembly, March 25, 1998.

Protesting too much, indeed...

[arwalden]

39. Did You Even READ The Original Post All The Way To The End?

[Solly Mack]

44. other quotes by other bigots...

with "gusto"

Pat Robertson

Gays were behind Hitler

“When lawlessness is abroad in the land, the same thing will happen here that happened in Nazi Germany. Many of those people involved in Adolph Hitler were Satanists. Many of them were homosexuals. The two things seem to go together.” - 700 Club, 1-21-93 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Gays are appalling

“...What kind of craziness is it in our society which will put a cloak of secrecy around a group of people whose lifestyle is at best abominable. Homosexuality is an abomination. The practices of those people is appalling. It is a pathology. It is a sickness, and instead of thinking of giving these people a preferred status and privacy, we should treat AIDS exactly the same way as any other communicable disease...” - 700 Club, 6-6-88 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

right wingers call civil rights "special rights or preferred status" when talking about the GLBT community. Because calling it "preferred status" plays to the ignorance of their supporters. They can tell themselves they aren't denying other Americans of their civil rights when that's exactly what they want to do. Only a fool thinks otherwise.



Gays want to disprupt churches, spread AIDS and spit at ministers

"want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers." Pat Robertson, 700 Club, 1/18/95 - People for the American Way Web site, http://www.pfaw.org/issues/right/rtvw.antigay.shtml

Homosexuality leads to decline of civilization

"...the acceptance of homosexuality is the last step in the decline of Gentile civilization." --Pat Robertson, of the Christian Broadcasting Network, warned that hurricanes could hit Orlando, Fla., because of gay events there. Time magazine, Oct 26, 1998


Entire world will suffer if homosexuality is accepted

“If the world accepts homosexuality as its norm and if it moves the entire world in that regard, the whole world is then going to be sitting like Sodom and Gomorrah before a Holy God. And when the wrath of God comes on this earth, we will all be guilty and we will all suffer for
it.” - 700 Club, 9-6-95 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Gays are diseased, depressed, and miserable

“You know, one of the great misnomers in our society is the term `gay.’ That somebody who is involved in something that is leading to suicide, where the V.D. rate is 11 times that of others, which are almost driven and ashamed and fearful and confused and psychotic and all the others that we read about plaguing this part of our society. The term gay is the most serious misuse of the English language. They’re not gay, they’re very, very depressed and miserable.” - 700 Club, 5-6-82 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Homosexuality is an anti-social sickness

“This conduct is anti-social, and it is a pathology. It is a sickness, and it needs to be treated. It doesn’t need to be taught in the classroom as a preferred way of life...” - 700 Club, 3-7-90 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Gays are after children

“It’s one thing to say, `We have rights to jobs...we have rights to be left alone in out little corner of the world to do our thing.’ It’s an entirely different thing to say, well, `We’re not only going to go into the schools and we’re going to take your children and your grandchildren
and turn them into homosexuals.’ Now that’s wrong.” - 700 Club, 9-17-92 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Homosexuality means God has given up on society

“When you see the rise of blatant open homosexuality and lesbianism, what you also know is God has given a society up...and we’re at the mercy of the elements, the mercy of war, the mercy of economic disaster.” - 700 Club, 4-26-93 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Lesbians are against motherhood

"The radical left is doing everything they can to destroy the moral fiber of America. They want to do away with the family. I am absolutely persuaded one of the reasons so many lesbians are at the forefront of the pro-choice movement is because being a mother is the unique
characteristic of womanhood, and these lesbians will never be mothers naturally, so they don't want anybody else to have that privilege either." - 700 Club, 5-18-93 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Discrimination against gays...

“Since our nation was founded, we have discriminated against certain things. We discriminate against kidnappers. We discriminate against murderers. We discriminate against thieves...There are laws that prohibit that kind of conduct. And there have been laws since the founding of our country against what are considered unnatural sex acts, sex between members of the same sex.” - 700 Club, 12-24-93 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Homosexuality is "sodomy", repugnant

“The concept, the word for homosexual behavior is sodomy. That is what is used in the official documents. It is sodomy. It is repugnant. It has been prohibited and proscribed by sane society throughout countless millennia, centuries. People have understood that it is wrong. Now in America, not only is it happening, it is getting civil rights protection in the law, and these people are invading churches.” - 700 Club, 1-18-94 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

Gays want to destroy Christians

" to destroy all Christians." - People for the American Way, "Hostile Climate," 1994, p.9.



Jerry Falwell



"god hates homosexuality" - Jerry Falwell on TV (I've seen the actual footage)

Gays are perverts

" recently praised the lesbian actress who plays 'Ellen' on ABC Television...I believe he may even put children, young people, and adults in danger by his public endorsement of deviant homosexual behavior...Our elected leaders are attempting to glorify and legitimize perversion." People for the American Way, "Hostile Climate", 1998, p.9.

Gays will crush all Americans

"Someone must not be afriad to say, 'moral perversion is wrong.' If we do not act now, homosexuals will 'own' America!...If you and I do not speak up now, this homosexual steamroller will leterally crush all decent men, women, and children who get in its way...and our nation will pay a terrible price!" - People for the American Way, "Hostile Climate," 1997, p.15.

[jonnyblitz]

45. stop christian bashing.

:P :hi:

[Solly Mack]

47. I know. Jeebus forbid anyone point out the hate and ignorance

of so-called Christians....

it would seem the hate from the so-called christian is AOK but pointing it out is "bashing"

I guess their "right" to hate trumps my "right" to comment on it.

:hi:

[CO Liberal]

60. When Christians Start Acting Christ-Like...

...I'll stop bashing them. But when people like Reggie White continue to use the Bible as justification for their hate, don't hold your breath.

[goodbody]

67. exactly. The Bible teaches to help people

above all else, not as a guide to divide and conquer those who are different from you.

[CO Liberal]

48. Here in Colorado in 1992....

...a group of fundameltalist Christians calling themselves "Colorado for Family Values" got Amendment 2 placed on the statewide ballot - it would prohibit any town in Colorado from passing any laws that afforded any legal protection whatsoever to gays or lesbians. Believe it or not, the amendment passed. It was immediately challenged in the courts, and was eventually declared unconstitutional bu the US Supreme Court. Thankfully, it never went into effect.

There are still Bible thumpers out here who want to bring Amendment 2 back, any other measures intended to "drive gays back into the closet", as they so quaintly put it. Believe me, homphobia is alove and well in Colorado, mainly driven by assholes like James Dobson and his misfits at "Focus On The Family", which is headquartered in Colorado Springs.

[jonnyblitz]

58. that was HUGE news for the longest time..

it started a trend of anti- gay amendments. Oregon was next I believe. Where my parents live in Maine got pretty crazy, too.

[goodbody]

62. very good!

It's amazing how those who protest so much are often speaking more about themselves and their own shortcomings.

[Bouncy Ball]

55. Um, who is this Reggie White?

[CO Liberal]

61. Just a Useless Piece of Shit Who Died

But not before he tried to spread his brand of hatred and homophobia.

[NightTrain]

56. Whenever a bigot dies, an angel gets its wings.

Thank you, Reggie White, for doing the world a favor and dying young. Good fucking riddance, you asshole!

[Deja Q]

65. Since when did I kill a black person?! Or my sin being worse than greed?

I know he apologized for his harsh words a couple of years back. But he also exacerbated a huge 'debate'.

Dunno.

Some of his own comments do clearly border some sort of psychological problem, but I think it's a bit too late to find out what that is.

And being black is a decision too. Except God made that decision, just like how he made homosexuals what they are. God created us all, isn't that the point?

[LeftCoast]

66. Thank you for posting these quotes!

NT

[Uzybone]

74. He apologized for the remarks

and called them the biggest mistake he ever made. According to the ESPN reporter he had stopped going to church becasue he no longer agreed with those views and was on a quest to find God himself. He was a racist fool back them, but sheesh if he renouced those views and the entire mindset behind them, why are you guys still bashing him for it?

[ScreamingMeemie]

77. Because we are hypocrits sometimes in my opinion.

I am not so perfect that I can judge another based upon mistakes he may have made.

[arwalden]

79. His SHOUTED BIGOTRY!!! vs His (mumbled-whispered apologies)

Wow! Hmmm... which one had more impact? Wait... let me think about this one now... it's a real head-scratcher! :eyes:

Sorry, my standards aren't so low that I'll accept such an inequitable trade-off. No free-pass cards from me on that count.

Maybe in death he can do some good. By pointing out what a racist bigoted homophobic piece of scum he was, perhaps others might learn that faith-based bigotry really ISN'T "okay" and "acceptable".

He can be the ANTI-HERO and serve as an example of what NOT to be!

[CO Liberal]

82. But After He Apologized For Those Remarks....

...he went out and made a whole new set of remarks that were worse than the first ones.

I say to give Reggie the same he gave our gay bretheren...

[Mrs. Venation]

85. Did He Renounce These Views As Loudly As He Proclaimed Them?

The anti-gay statements Reggie White made didn't hurt me one bit. I was quite happy with my life, comfortable with my faith, and I knew he was full of it.

The reason I was so angry with him, and remain so today, is because of the effect those views had on young gay kids. How many Packers fans, young and gay, contemplated, or maybe even attempted, suicide because of what was said about us? How many Packers fans, young and straight, decided it was okay the beat the crap out of the local fags because of what Reggie White said? The views Reggie White held mattered because of his celebrity. He used his position as a highly visible professional athlete to verbally bash people who had done him no harm.

Maybe he did renounce his bigotry after he left the public eye. If he did, good for him. But why didn't he use his access to the media to publicly renounce his views? Why didn't he use his wealth to undo some of the harm he did?

It's one thing to own one's bigotry through words; it's a lot harder to renounce one's bigotry through tangible actions. I didn't see either of those from Reggie White.

[jellybelly]

75. I need your opinion

do you think only religious people are homophobic? Could atheists be homophobic too? I know plenty of secular people who find homosexuality disgusting. They don't say it's because of God, they say it's because it's not part of human nature to be gay. (whatever that means) Sorry, but I can't blame all anti-gay propaganda on christians.

[terrya]

78. This man was fucking EVIL.

A "Christian" who did nothing but spread hate.

I'm not shedding one fucking tear for this hater.

Burn in hell, motherfucker.

[sniffa]

84. gays kiLLed reggie white

next, they're going to break his sack record.

[Old and In the Way]

86. Sad that our society and national media give this type of person

a platform from which to broadcast his message. Why do the Reggie Whites of this country get any media oxygen at all?

[Renew Deal]

89. He's an ass

And a dead one. The killing our people comment is the most interesting because it highlights something deeper. There is a major concern in the African American community over homosexuality. For some reason they feel that it hurting their people and what they are trying to accomplish. Someone closer to it that me can probably describe it better. This is partly why you some some black fundies for Bush.

[Bluebear]

90. White on "partial birth abortions"

"You know what they do with these babies when they come out? They take them out -- alive. They use these babies for what they call fetal tissue research... they stick a needle that long in the back of their head. They pull the baby's brains out and they use the baby's brains for fetal tissue research... That baby's worth a whole lot of money."

http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/white1.htm
http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/rwhite2.htm?FACTNet

[hollywood926]

92. He was having an affair with Alan Keyes and...

someone found out, so he asked God to kill him in his sleep after Christmas was over.

That's my theory, anyway.

[bloodyjack]

94. A bastard in life is no less a bastard in death

Completely worthless human being.

[jonnyblitz]

95. glad to see this thread back up on the front page of the lounge

especially with all the apologists whining about "hate". and they wonder why...