Fuck OJ. What about JonBenet?

[CatWoman]

No one has ever stood trial for her murder, yet an O.J. thread pops up more regular than my father's bowels.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. the imagery

oh lord

[CatWoman]

8. especially since he's now deceased.

perhaps I should have used Al Bundy as a reference.

[FarLeftRage]

2. I think her parents killed her

Of course, we'll never know with them being repuKKKes...

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. I don't

I think an intruder did it.

[prof_science]

3. And fuck that.

I don't want to hear about either. If JonBenet wasn't a little rich girl paraded around by her mom like an infant whore, nobody would care. Wait, I DON'T care...

[CatWoman]

5. I don't think anything is wrong with children's pagents

as opposed to adult pagents.

I think if the child enjoys participating, what's the harm?

[prof_science]

11. whew.

yes, I suppose as opposed to adult pageants. If you think those are ok.

Sorry, I just think children's pageants are f'ed up. Teaching a very impressionable baby that respect and adoration come primarily from your outer attributes. Perhaps the child may enjoy it, but I think parents do it for very selfish reasons...

[CatWoman]

14. you're not getting an argument from me there

I think a lot of women relive their lives and thru these pagents.

I saw a couple documentaries about them, and the mothers reminded me of father softball coaches. They'll kick your ass in a heartbeat.

[beachhous9]

17. I agree with you

Catwoman! Did anybody watch the series on Bravo called "Showbiz Moms and Dads" Wild stuff! They follow pageant parents and showbiz parents and their children for 8 weeks. What do you think of Emily and her mom on the show??

[beachhous9]

18. Catwoman, I forgot

to congratulate you on your beautiful children, Male, Female, Streak and Trinity!! They're adorable.

[CatWoman]

24. awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

thanks!!!!!!!

as we speak, they are busying themselves tearing up the living room :D

[WoodrowFan]

4. you think OJ killed JonBenet?

wow, now THAT'S tinfoil!!! :wow:



(teasing)

[bigwillq]

6. The JonBenet murder has always fascinated me

I really don't know why. I was like that with Liz Smart too.

[molly]

7. I caught something the other nite on TV

saying that they had new evidence and leads in her case.

[madison2000]

16. Yes, there was something about looking into similar crimes in Boulder

that had been committed by a known sex offender. Including an attempted rape on a little girl who was enrolled at the same dance studio as JonBenet by someone who came and watched the girls practice.
Totally took the focus off the parents. There was sexual forensic evidence that could not be accounted for by the parents- had to be an unrelated male intruder.

[CanuckAmok]

20. Yeah, here's what's new:

Sales of People and the National Enquirer were down.

[terrya]

10. It illuminated children's beauty pageants.

Which are fucking creepy as hell.

And yes, in my opinion, mom and dad were involved.

[LoZoccolo]

12. I think you bring it up in your post.

Since there's no trial, there's less to argue about, so it doesn't come up as much. It's like "ok, nothing new here".

[CatWoman]

15. on the contrary -- there's plenty to argue about

for example -- why did her parents refuse to be interviewed by the police?

I think this crime is a travesty -- more so than the OJ case -- because no one has yet to stand trial.

[Bertha Venation]

19. I can't be objective about the Ramsey case

because I think it's apalling to trot your child out beginning at what, age 18 mos? 2 years? making the child dress the way they do and wear make up and do all the things one is required to do in a pageant.

Parading beauty? Judging beauty? Rewarding beauty? IMO there's something fundamentally wrong about that.

I've read the other comments upthread. I just can't agree, CW, that "if the child enjoys it," it's okay. :shrug:

FWIW, I agree: Fuck OJ. What about JonBenet? Solve that fucker already.

[Left Is Write]

22. I have to agree with you.

And if the child "enjoys" it, it's probably because she's been taught that her value and worth are tied up in the pageants, her appearance, and how well she does in the pageants. Or she enjoys it because she wants to please her parents. Doing the pageants might equal parental love and approval in her mind.

The pictures of JonBenet in full, heavy, adult-level makeup disturb me more than I am able to articulate.

[CatWoman]

26. I don't know, Bertha -- some of those kids really seem to enjoy it

the pagents, I mean :shrug:

How the hell is Skittles? She still kicking your ass?? :D

[Bertha Venation]

28. LOL Skittles The Kitten is fit as a fiddle . . .

and she'd kick my ass if I could get near her.

It's so odd, CW... If I'm sitting up in bed and playing with them, they get close enough for me to touch and I can pet them and they puurrrrrrr.... and Skittles will roll over on her back and let me tickle her tummy, and she'll bite my hand and fight with my fingers. But that is the only time they'll allow themselves to be touched.

They are skittish kittish!

[sundog]

13. She was recently spotted in Shanghai

she's running some sort of coffee decanter sweat shop there

[davsand]

21. There was a lot about that case that was creepy.

I remember reading the ME's report online and there was evidence cited there of ongoing sexual abuse of that child--not just the one time.

I also found it really odd the way those parents lawyered up so quick and refused police interviews. If something happened to YOUR kid wouldn't you be wanting to do all you could to help find whoever was responsible? I realize everyone is entitled to counsel, and it is actually prudent to HAVE a lawyer for something like that, but I'm durned if I could refuse to help the police even IF my lawyer said not to.

Further, I think the lawyer telling them NOT to talk to the police screams that they were involved in SOMETHING illegal in reference to that little girl. (The ME's report backs that up, BTW. IF they admitted to the lawyer that there was any sexual abuse, he just about HAD to tell them not to talk to the cops.)

Something else I wonder about is how the mom acted thru the whole mess. IF you found out your husband was sexually abusing your daughter would YOU stand by him if the child was killed? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd bury ANY SOB ten feet deep and dance on their grave if I found out they hurt my kid--even if I was married to him.

I've always wondered if maybe the sexual abuse was from that older brother. I can see Dad covering it up to protect the surviving kid, and I can see Mom aiding in that...

Either way--stranger or family member--that poor child is dead and justice has not been carried out.

Laura

[CatWoman]

25. Hi, Laura

I forgot the medical examiner's name, but I've always liked him: he was a dead ringer for my allergist!!

:hi:

[davsand]

27. The ME was a "dead ringer" for your allergist?

LOL! Sorry, but that one made me giggle!

Good to run into you!

Laura

[Deja Q]

23. I'd rather not fuck Jon-Benet. Necrophelia isn't my gig, she's jailbait,

and I'm only interested in grown men anyway. :evilgrin:

I wish they'd find the killers *cough, parents*.

[cleofus1]

29. excerpt from anchorage press...

from 2000...these murders have still not been solved...

Friday afternoon inside the Panhandle on Fourth Avenue finds the lights dimmed and a country and western ballad lilting from the speakers. A dozen regulars line the bar, smoking and nursing pitchers of Miller. Near the door, a middle-aged Alaska Native woman speaks in low tones.

A week ago, she says, she was walking home at 3 a.m. along Fourth Avenue when a pick-up slowed alongside her. The driver asked if she wanted a ride. She’d pounded two pitchers, she says, and that’s probably why she accepted.

The man didn’t take her home. Instead, he drove her to an abandoned construction site and raped her, twice, on the bed of his truck. She reported the rape to police the next morning, but couldn’t remember enough to give a detailed description.

An older woman nearby shakes her head. She’s heard worse, she says, and nods at a police department poster behind them on the wall. The poster depicts photos of five Alaska Native women who have been murdered in Anchorage in the last 15 months.

The murders of Della Brown, Tina Shangin, Annie Mann, Ginny Tetpon and Vera Hapoff remain unsolved, and police are seriously considering the possibility of a serial killer.

The Anchorage Police Department has requested assistance from the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Center for Analysis of Violent Crime in Quantico, Virginia, a new FBI division formed when the FBI combined its Serial Killer and Profiling and Behavioral Assessment units.

"Anchorage police intelligence has been forwarded to Quantico so the behavioral science unit there can work up a profile," says Special Agent Eric Gonzalez, spokesman for the FBI’s Anchorage division.

"The idea behind is to narrow the pool of suspects and help the local agency figure out some specific things to look for, in terms of the person or persons responsible for these crimes."

Last year, Anchorage police reported that Tetpon had been stabbed to death and that Hapoff had been drowned.

Police will not reveal the cause of death in the murders of Mann, Shangin and Brown.

Citing state law, state medical examiner, Dr. Michael Propst refuses to discuss autopsies performed on the victims.

"There are some details that are only known to myself, law enforcement, and the killer, " Propst says.

Police also will not say whether the victims were sexually assaulted, nor whether investigators believe the women were killed in the same place their bodies were found.

Anchorage Police Department spokesman Ron McGee offers only this: "The level of resources being devoted to this investigation is unprecedented."

The same can’t be said of resources being devoted to warn Native women they may be the preferred prey of a serial killer. No large-scale public information campaign is underway. No mayor’s task force has been formed.

"I don’t know if it’s the media, or if it’s the community that just doesn’t care," says Cindy Pennington, chair of the Alaska Native Sexual Assault Committee. "There hasn’t been any concern voiced by the political leaders. It’s wrong to think that anyone in this town is expendable."

The Alaska Native Sexual Assault Committee is currently seeking volunteers to walk the streets of downtown Anchorage during the annual, five-day Alaska Federation of Natives conference, which begins October 16.

McGee says the Anchorage Police Department plans to assign extra patrol officers downtown during the conference, and may establish a downtown command post.

The ANSAC is also organizing a candlelight vigil in Town Square to "remember and honor the women who were recently murdered." The vigil is scheduled for 6 p.m. on October 16, the first night of the AFN conference.

According to ANSAC statistics, Alaska Natives make up 7.5 percent of the population in Anchorage but account for 40 to 45 percent of the rape victims each year.

"What really scares me is what happens if this is not a serial killer and this is the work of many different people," says Pennington. "That that the men in this community think that they can kill Native women and get way with it. They have been sexually assaulting Native women probably since before this town was founded."

In 1992 and 1993, a serial rapist named Henry Buchholz cruised the now-defunct Hub bar at closing time, offering rides home. Buchholz tortured and raped six women, and killing, before he was caught.

Bernice Thorpe, a former bartender at The Hub, remembers the Buchholz case and makes an easy comparison to the recent murders.

"I don’t know what to surmise... It just seems like someone is targeting us. We’ve heard there’s a serial killer. We want to know how come nothing’s being done, how come we don’t hear more about it," she says.

"We girls talk a lot and we are scared. We feel like things have been kind of swept under the rug."

[underpants]

30. (NYT are you watching?)-Her brother did her a favor by killing her

Hows THAT for a post?

Lots to have fun with there but seriously I think her brother did it and in reality saved her from the long painful life of abuse, addiction, and lost childhood.

There I said it.

[Scout]

34. I always thought it was her brother, too. eom

[Florida_Geek]

31. JonBenet: DNA Rules Out Parents

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/16/48hours/main661569.shtml

JonBenet: DNA Rules Out Parents
Dec. 16, 2004


On the surface, Boulder, Colo., is the ideal American town. It's beautiful, peaceful, and seemingly cut off from the types of crime that infect larger cities. It's no wonder that Boulder attracts successful, affluent families like the Ramseys.

”We moved to Boulder. We very strongly felt we had moved to a very safe, small kind of 'Ozzie and Harriet' kind of community,” says John Ramsey, JonBenet's father.

But, on 48 Hours Mystery Saturday, Correspondent Erin Moriarty exposed a different side of this quaint small city -- a darker side, made up of a small group of burglars, thieves, and sex offenders. It's where the answer to Boulder's most notorious unsolved murder, the case of JonBenet Ramsey, may be found. And investigators hope new evidence will finally lead to a break in the case.

..cut..

Detectives working for the Boulder district attorney now believe that one, possibly two, intruders entered the Ramsey home and killed JonBenet and they are finally concentrating their efforts on the underside of Boulder that was largely ignored during the initial investigation.

..cut..

What they have discovered is startling. Within a two-mile radius of where the Ramseys once lived, 38 of their neighbors are registered sex offenders. What these private detectives have also discovered is that in the months before JonBenet's murder, there were more than 100 burglaries in her neighborhood.

..cut..

Augustin and Gray are convinced that the DNA sample belongs to JonBenet's killer, because of a small amount of matching DNA that also was found under the 6-year-old murder victim's fingernails.


..more at CBS...

So maybe all you (cough cough parents did it types) need to check the evidence........

[ellie]

32. WHAT?

"What they have discovered is startling. Within a two-mile radius of where the Ramseys once lived, 38 of their neighbors are registered sex offenders. What these private detectives have also discovered is that in the months before JonBenet's murder, there were more than 100 burglaries in her neighborhood."

I used to live one street over from her and used to wander around by myself at night. I am not surprised about the burglaries though, there is a large transient population in Boulder. I believe that the murder of Susannah Chase is also unsolved.

[RobinA]

33. Personally

I never thought it was the parents. Would I have lawyered up like they did if I were innocent? You betcha. They are rich, corporate people. Running to lawyers is what they do. That said, if my daughter turned up dead in my house you better believe I'd lawyer up. Wouldn't say word one to the police without a lawyer.