Asian Antiquities...

[BloodyWilliam]

I want to get some Asian antiques, but I'm not sure about some things. My budget's wicked low (college student), but at the very least I'd like to get some mala and a Buddha statue, to nurture my serene side. :-)

I also just want to get some really old stuff. It would just be really cool to have a Han or Song Dynasty-era jade carving, or even a Qing Dynasty cup. Sometime several times older than me. :-)

I feel silly asking or even considering this, but... how bad an idea is eBay? It's the only source of old stuff that's anywhere near my price range. I know to stick to sellers with high ratings and good feedback, but I'm not sure how authentic their stuff will be. Bodhi seed mala won't be too hard to find (or any sort of mala), nor will any "typical" stuff like phurpa, dorje, or a Buddha statue. What I'm wondering is how authentic or how old will these old-looking jade or marble carvings or crafts be? Value isn't really a big deal, I don't have illusions about finding a precious Ming Dynasty vase on eBay for $5 and selling it for $5 million, I just want something really old.

Anyone here big into Asian antiques/antiquities? Any tips?

[DuctapeFatwa]

1. WOW! I was just about to post links to some old Chinese embroidery

Just to disrupt all the fund-raising ;)


I have gotten some interesting stuff from eBay, what you have to do is spend a lot of time there, and learn to spot what there is not a lot of.

Let me look through my files and I will suggest some sellers that I have dealt with.

[Rabrrrrrr]

2. Can't help - but I LOVE your cafeshops stuff

Phenomenal!

[BloodyWilliam]

4. Then buy please!

Help this poor little liberal student get his own FBI file. And money for old Asian crap. :crazy:

[Rabrrrrrr]

5. Sadly, I don't buy "slogan wear"

for environmental reasons, but I have to admit, yours is actually tempting, and perhaps a worthy slogan-wear for protests.

Sad part is, I'm in NYC, where most everyone is already anti-Shrub, so it's not much of a statement. Would be great for going home at Christmas, though. :-)

[radwriter0555]

10. LOL Like me! I don't wear anything with a logo on it unless I'm PAID

with residuals.

I can't imagine paying money to wear a logo on my shirt or pants. That's ME paying THEM to advertise THEIR company.

Go figure. I ain't that dumb.

[BloodyWilliam]

3. I appreciate it!

I'd PM you the sellers I'm keeping an eye on, but unfortunately I don't have enough posts yet to PM.

[Fridays Child]

6. Look for sellers who have...

...verifiable credentials related to the items they sell and who are willing to provide COAs and/or refunds if you're not satisfied. Another thing to consider is that, if an item just "grabs you," and if you're not looking at it as a financial investment, authenticity is really secondary.

And, if worse comes to worst, you can always turn around and put items that you don't like right back on the auction block.

edit: Where are my manners??? Welcome to DU! :hi:

[BloodyWilliam]

7. Verifiable creds are pretty rare...

And usually very expensive.

I think I might just put down $50, get some neat old Chinese crap, use some for meditation/ritual/spiritual stuff, and take the rest to an antique store downtown to see if they can appraise it or at least tell me if it's old or not. :)

It's a blessing and a curse to be on a low budget. On one hand you don't have much to work with, and on the other hand, you don't have much to lose. :hippie:

[JCMach1]

8. Don't look for names-- buy what you like

especially if you have monetary limitations.

Who wants an ugly Qing dynasty vase anyway. IT would look much better in a museum.

[BloodyWilliam]

9. Well, I might be cheap...

But I still want to get something really old if possible. Eh, I'll just get something that looks cool and if I'm really that curious, take it to an antique shop. :)

[parkia00]

11. The Low downs on Asian Antiquities on eBay

First off, my expertise are in Chinese and South East Asian Ceramics and note jade or sculpture. But I think the same advice can be applied here.

eBay is a great place to buy antiques IF you know what you are doing. If you don't know your stuff, you will most likey end up purchasing a fake. I would dare say 90% of asian antiques on eBay are fakes. The good side is the prices for the real items are much lower there. However the real jewel of eBay is the volume of sellers. There are a huge number of sellers that get their items from estate sales, garage sales and grandma's old attic. You will be surprised to find the number of treasures being offered by sellers that have no idea of the true value or importance of the item. These items are sold wrongly described and in the wrong catagory. If you look hard enough and have patience, you will always find that hidden treasure. I have already purchased a number of Ming period blue and white ceramic items for dirt cheap this way including many Qing items.

Back to you. Just because something is old does not mean it must be expensive. Construction sites throughout China are constantly unearthing relics of the past. It is very typical to unearth bricks dating to the Han period. As a consequences, such relics are flooding the market. There are a number of eBay sellers that specilize in selling large volumes of these small relics. They are not worth very much but interesting to have. They mostly consists of old coins, beads, bronze trinkets, ceramics bowls and even some small jade items. Generally these can be purchased from $10-$20.

Remember that certificates of authencity do NOT mean a thing! Anyone with a printer can make their own. The same goes for sellers that claim that their piece have been authenthicated by so and so expert or museum. There is NO WAY you can certify this at all. It's you against the word of the seller. And there are a lot of con artists out there. To be fair, there are also a small number of trust worthy sellers that sell real stuff. A simple rule is that the more outlandish looking, magnificant looking antique is most likely not an antique at all.

Knowledge is power. If you plan on being a serious collector or scholar or even purchase as an investment, you have to get reference books to read. A general rule is to reserve about 10% of your collecting budget to purchase books. Old auction catalogues are also a good source of important information. There is no way around it. It's easier to authenticate ceramics as you can inspect the color, the paste, the glaze etc... But with jade it is VERY difficult. It seems the one way is to examine the shape and decorative element. Decorative styles change over time. A Song dragon will differ from a Ming dragon which would differ from a Qing dragon. If you can identify such differences, you are far better off. If not, you have just only touched the very tip of a large iceburg :P

Welcome the the word of Asian antiquities, it will consume you and be a life long achievement to pass down to the next generation. I will help you any way I can about ebay and sellers etc... contact me if you wish. Just don't ask me how to authenthicate jade. I don't have a clue.


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