Students Told Stripping Is Career Choice

[Crackingham]

School officials in Palo Alto are reconsidering their use of a popular speaker for an annual career day after he advised middle school students that they could earn a good living as strip dancers.

William Fried told eighth-graders at Jane Lathrop Stanford Middle School that stripping and exotic dancing could be lucrative career moves for girls, offering as much as $250,000 or more per year, depending on their bust size.

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A tip sheet he distributes to students includes a list of 140 potential careers and areas of interest they can consider pursuing. Along with professions as accounting and nursing, the list offers such nontraditional suggestions as exotic dancing, stripping and acting as a spiritual medium.

He counsels students to experiment with a variety of interests until they discover their "life's purpose," something they love and excel in. The presentation and handout have been praised by students, school principal Joseph Di Salvo and others said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=411725

[Ganja Ninja]

1. I hear you can make good money selling crack too.

:crazy:

[NewJeffCT]

2. How about procuring no-bid contracts for Halliburton

that seems pretty lucrative these days.

[Ganja Ninja]

3. Don't forget the market for rent-A-pundits is hot right now too.

[RPM]

4. uhhhh, one is legal - the other isn't

I don't think suggesting stripping is a good idea, but it is a step above selling drugs.

[TahitiNut]

5. Well, stripping is legal.

'Nuf said. :shrug:

[TlalocW]

7. Man, I wish I were female

Because I would combine selling crack and stripping and be a mega-gazillionaire!

I knew two girls in grad school who were both studying to be vets who also stripped for extra money at one of the clubs in town. It's funny because they told me that they aren't thinking sexy things when they're up on stage but are making mental lists of chores they need to do the next day. I was their "safe male friend" which meant that they would call me if they were starting back up and wanted a friendly face in the club on their first night back. So I got to see an attractive female friend of mine topless all the time, but it never went beyond that. :) And I hung out in strip clubs a lot more than what I would have - that's for sure.

TlalocW

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[CarpeVeritas]

30. it's not "embarrassing & degrading" to everyone...

mostly those who have been raised to feel shamed and guilty about their sexuality are the ones who would feel that way, and exotic dancing probably wouldn't be a good career choice for them.

However- for those women who have a healthy and positive outlook on their own sexuality, and a good self-image, stripping can be a GOLD MINE.

btw- a LOT of times, it's the MEN who are being exploited in those clubs- the girls are generally in control of the situation.

[DelawareValleyDem]

32. "mostly those who have been raised to feel shamed and guilty

about their sexuality". You've reached this conclusion exactly how? Any personal or academic research you can cite or just a personal observation?

[CarpeVeritas]

34. 50+ years of personal observation...

my wife and I also participate in what some people would call an "alternative lifestyle"- i.e. we're 'swingers'.

and the people we meet at parties would probably surprise you with how utterly 'normal' thay are otherwise- they just don't suffer from a lot of the unhealthy SHAME that so many others have been raised to feel about their sexuality.

[DelawareValleyDem]

36. So you've reached an definitiive pyschological

conclusion based on personal observation. In the absensce of any real research you can cite, I'll stick with my own observation, which is that your conclusion is a sweeping generalization

[CarpeVeritas]

40. did i ever claim to be making a "definitive pyschological(sic) conclusion"

ummm...in case you hadn't noticed, this is the DU Lounge, not the American Psychiatric Society...we're just here for the conversation.

[DelawareValleyDem]

42. I know where we are

I would guess, by our respective post counts, I've been here longer than you. If, at any time our "conversation" gets to be too much for you, you needn't reply. Your statement was expressed in definitive terms regarding the psyche of certain women, so I wanted to see how you arrived at it. You've admitted it's nothing more than personal observation. So let those with different personal experiences express an alternate view.

[CarpeVeritas]

43. before you're so quick to discount "personal observation"...

isn't that what each and every psychologist in the business uses to make a living?(or do you say "pyschologist"?)

:evilgrin:

[DelawareValleyDem]

44. before you're so quick

to conclude what I'm discounting, consider that psychologists and other scientists usually publish their observation in peer reviewed journals. But if this is the direction you which to take the conversation, I'll follow. You've already implied that you have not given much serious study to the issue.

[CarpeVeritas]

47. which would you consider a "better" career choice...?

a girl becoming a stripper,
or a boy becoming a marine sharpshooter?

who would you have the most respect for?

[DelawareValleyDem]

48. Both, if they made the choice

for themselves after careful consideration of all options. I could care less if a woman strips for a living - I think she should have the choice. I don't agree with your statement about the sexual self-image of those that refuse to strip for money compared to those that do/would. Got it now?

On edit. Had to spell check; I know that bothers you.

[CarpeVeritas]

59. do you agree with the broad generalization i was responding to then...?

would you classify stripping as an "embarrassing or degrading activity" as the poster i responded to stated?
IMHO, the people who should feel embarrassed & degraded at a strip club, if anyone are the customers- they're the ones that are being played.

also- i never saidd anything about people that "refuse to strip for money", so I have NO IDEA where you got that-

what i said was that MOSTLY(hardly a "definitive" term) the people who have been raised to feel shame & guilt about sex(lots(not ALL) of religious folk use that particular tactic on their children)are the ones who would PROBABLY(another not very definitive term) feel embarrassed & degraded by stripping...whereas those women(or men) who feel comfortable with their bodies, and don't feel embarrassed or ashamed being naked in front of others(and they don't necessarily have to be the "hotbods" either) are the ones for whom the career might be best suited.

BTW- I could NEVER respect someone who chose a career as a killer- and that's what marine sharpshooters are trained to be.

[DelawareValleyDem]

64. I have no idea

where some of your questions/comments are coming from either but I'm addressing them.

Your statement WAS definitive. "Not embarassing to everyone, mostly those who have been raised to feel shamed and guilty about their sexuality are the ones who would feel that way" You're applying one possible reason to a majority of people (MOSTLY would at least one half, right, or do you have some other criteria?), and a reason you've by your own admission came up with during personal observation

[CarpeVeritas]

66. the post i was responding to was more "definitive" than mine...

the poster generalized stripping as an embarrassing & degrading actvity- which in many people's opinion, it certainly is not...
beyond that-
i don't see how a comment made in a chatroom based on personal observation qualifies as a "definitive pyschological(sic) statement"...but as you have pointed out- your post count is higher than mine- so you obviously must know better than lowly i...
:eyes:

[DelawareValleyDem]

67. You didn't qualify your statement

No "I feel most", "It's possible most", "I've been thinking maybe most".
It was expressed as a statement of fact, with limited research. If you've such a problem with the other poster's statement, maybe you can engage him/her. That way, we can get your post count up. Maybe someone will even buy you a star.

[CarpeVeritas]

69. how was it expressed as a statement of fact?

i most definitely did qualify my statement.
you might want to recheck your comprehension.

[DelawareValleyDem]

70. please reread your statement

I paraphrase " not to everyone, mostly to those raised to be ashamed of sexuality". Doesn't sound like your throwing out a theory and looking for comments. So I guess your conceding now that you may be wrong.

[CarpeVeritas]

74. i have re-read it...

and you apparently are re-reading waaaaay too much into it.

but no, i'm not wrong- i stand by my opinion.

[DelawareValleyDem]

75. at least now

you're conceding it is just that, an opinion.

Consider PM me if you wish to reply so we don't keep dragging this to the top. Of course, that won't help your post count. Stick with me kid, I'll get you over 100 in no time.

[CarpeVeritas]

78. i never said otherwise...

YOU were the one going off on the "definitive pyschological(sic)statement" tangent.

[DelawareValleyDem]

82. it had more relevance

to the discussion than your comments about your swinging lifestyle or people who joined the armed forces.

P.S.

Why are you obsessed with my typos?

[CarpeVeritas]

84. the relevance is there...

regarding the swinging comment- it was made to point out that not everyone views sexuality as an embarrassing thing...
the armed forces comment was meant to show that different people can find "shame" in different career paths.

[DelawareValleyDem]

85. lol

but it's a tangent when you try to evaluate someone's state of mind and I label it a psychological analysis on your part?

C'mon, why are you obsessed with my typos? If you can so deeply evaluate other people (without much training or experience), surely you can do it for yourself.

[Nikia]

65. It's not dancing naked that is the really degrading part

My sister stripped for a couple weeks. She did this after going to one other club a couple times and placing high in an amateurs night. She did not have a problem exposing her naked body to men or dancing without clothes on stage.
What she found degrading was dancing close to individual customers (which included rubbing her breasts in their face, taking the dollar behind their ear, ect.) as well as private dances. She had to pretend to be interested in every guy there, especially the ones requesting private dances. Many of these men were not men that most attractive women would be interested in dating or sleeping with.
If dancing naked on stage was all there was to stripping, you might have a point, but it is not.

[CarpeVeritas]

73. i would argue that it's not the stripper that's being degraded...

it's the customer.

your comment says it all:

"...She had to pretend to be interested in every guy there, especially the ones requesting private dances. Many of these men were not men that most attractive women would be interested in dating or sleeping with."

Exactly.
but they're stupid enough to believe that they would, and the girls are able to pick their pockets clean by providing that illusion.

do you think that every actress that has done on-camera love scenes has been physically attracted to all of their on-screen partners?

did your sister think that she was only going to be ogled by guys she finds attractive?

that's why it's called a job.

[Nikia]

79. Perhaps, you don't understand what I am getting at

There is a difference between feeling shame and degradation because people see you naked and feeling shame and degradation because you appear as though you are willing to sleep with every guy who gives you a dollar. Each club varies on how close the dances get to their customers. Some do not touch customers in any way. In some clubs, dancers simulate sex acts. There is a difference between feeling shame from dancing provocatively and feeling shame because you are simulating sex on any man who is willing to pay you.
The club that she worked for had a different official policy than what it practiced. Since she had not done that kind of work before, only danced naked on stage at one amateurs night, she did not know how degrading it would feel to her to rub her breasts in any customers face with a dollar.

[CarpeVeritas]

83. it obviously wasn't the right job for HER...

but not every woman feels that way. a LOT of strippers will tell you that they consider the customer to be the one being degraded- they're happily giving girls fistfuls of cash for the illusion that the girl is interested in them...i don't see how you consider that to be more degrading to the girl than the idiot guys?

[Donailin]

91. it's a job, but not a job most would choose if they had more options

most do this as a last resort. And it is degrading because in order to make money you have to pretend to like some creep's company. "Pretend" as in lie to someone for their money.

That's republicanism.

[CarpeVeritas]

92. in order to make money you have to pretend to like some creep's company...

that describes A LOT of jobs- just ask any salesman.
or a bartender
or a barber
or anyone in a service industry- which is the only "growth" industry left.

[Donailin]

95. that's not so

in the jobs you mention, you provide a respectable service; a haircut, a car, a house, a drink.

Providing sexual arousal without the sex is . . . well, you tell me what it is.

[Dastard Stepchild]

45. That's somewhat true... but not necessarily for the reason you suggest

A pretty interesting research article I once read (I'll try to track down a link) suggested that there were women who were not "phased" by the stripping, although it was also determined that these women created a self-protective dialogue that allowed them to strip without feelings of deviance or shame. Of course, it was a small sample with limitations, but provides interestong food for thought.

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[CarpeVeritas]

68. "feelings of deviance or shame..."

my point is- not everyone views stripping as an "embarrassing & degrading activity" that requires participants to have "feelings of deviance or shame" for doing it...a lot of it has to do with how you were raised to view sexuality. if you were raised to feel ashamed of your body and/or guilty about your sexuality, you'd be much more likely to view it that way.

[Dastard Stepchild]

88. I was using "deviance" in a broadly, socially constructed way...

Stripping is considered a deviant career path. It has been constructed as such. Therefore, as I stated, the women in this sample created a self-dialogue to address this. I'm not sure that I agree with your assertion that a woman holding the belief that stripping is degrading is not in tune with her sexuality/body image....nor that a woman that is able is strip is necessarily MORE in tune with her sexuality/body image. But, that's cool. We'll agree to disagree. It's not a subject I'm all that passionate about. :)

[Taverner]

94. I agree with you

Id say more, but you pretty much hit the nail on the head

[ekhunter]

89. me too! i would stand in front of the mirror and look at myself allday.

[maxrandb]

6. Watch Them Jump On This as

an example of those "Damn, lawless, godless, perverted, communist, socialist, fascist, liberal teachers union."

In

three...

two...

one...

"Rush Limbaugh here with another example of how terrible our public schools have become. Teachers are now encouraging 8th grade girls to pursue a life of stripping" "I'll tell you folks, the morals of this country are just going right down the toilet! Next thing you know we'll be glamorizing celebrities who abuse dru....er, nevermind"

The media is an ASS

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[maxrandb]

25. Way Too Nuanced for Them

Mark my words. The "right-wing" propaganda machine of talk radio and Faux News won't make nary a mention of this being a "career counselor".

By the time they are through running this story thru the wood-chipper, it will be the teachers that are at fault.

[indigobusiness]

8. Was there any mention of whoring for the news media?

Or advocation of political whoring? Or just generic whoring? I uderstand these forms can be as lucrative as stripping, and a wise career choice...in terms of pensions and fringe benefits.

Where was the quality guidance when I was growing up?

[kcwayne]

9. And you can make really big money hooking at the RNC convention

They are known as big tippers and not too kinky

Oh, and what do you want to bet that the speaker is a big RNC contributor and owns about 5 strip clubs?

[radwriter0555]

11. Actually the GOPers are notoriously CHEAP..... the Dems are known to be

very generous!

The GOPers are the kinky ones though.

[kcwayne]

16. You are right about the tipping actually, but I read that hookers

did not the DNC because they didn't get much business. And the loved the RNC because they got PLENTY of business.

[benburch]

28. My sources tell me that same thing.

Also, the Southern Baptist Convention is an especially good gig for sexworkers, especially those who specialize in being a Dominatrix. Seems that fundy religious GOPers love sinning, and love being punished for sinning!!!

[tk2kewl]

37. Can you say REPRESSION?

An gold digging freeper wife

[maxrandb]

20. Republicans??? Big Tippers!???

Only if they are using the tip to make up for their remakably small penis'.

No! Republicans will pontificate about God and Family Values, while deep down inside they just want some "leather clad liberal donimatrix with a strap-on" to make them the "girly-man" they truly are.

On a bright note though, I'm sure they could make a lot of money as a hooker to the Re-pukes. Since sex with your average republican would last about 10 seconds, the turnover rate and volume would be tremendous. Almost like being Wal-mart.

[King Coal]

26. Yeah, Neal didn't even have to pay.

[RawMaterials]

29. The Repugs are

probably more kinky weird then you think.
Just like Eye's wide shut. oh Kubrick were are you?

[Huckebein the Raven]

57. No, the GOPers are the ones into the really kinky shit

[radwriter0555]

10. You bet it is! Low overhead, no education needed, and paid in CASH. That

is indeed a lucrative profession.

Shoot, if men are silly enough to hand over cold hard cash to look at girls titties, a girl should be smart enough to take earn it, take it and invest it wisely!

There isn't a thing wrong with stripping! Like any other job, what you choose to do with the money you make, makes all the difference.

[benburch]

12. You are totally correct!

And I like your attitude.

[radwriter0555]

24. I'm a chick, and I've had many stripper friends over the years. Not a

single one of them had drug or booze addiction problems. They weren't particularly smart gals, but knew the value of what they had... Stripping is a fairly easy job that keeps you in good shape.

Like I said, you don't need a particular skill set to do it, the money is good and fast. You can do it anywhere too! All you need is a decent body and some cute g-strings.

Now, keep in mind, I wouldn't suggest my daughter do it as a career choice; hopefully she'll make better job choices than that, but if she wanted to do it, I wouldn't hate her.

[benburch]

27. I am a sexworker's rights activist.

And I know you are telling the truth.

[rsmith6621]

53. T A X F R E E $ $ $ $

I Wonder just how many of those G-String Georges get claimed on a 1040 tax form.

[Redstone]

13. Legal or not...

these are eighth-grade girls. Not college-age women. Not even high-school girls. Eighth-graders.

Sorry if I'm not liberal enough on this matter, but this is revolting.

Redstone

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21. You're welcome, naryaquid

I'll bet you $10 that the same people who think it's OK to promote stripping as a "career" to middle-school girls would change their minds in a heartbeat if their daughter came home and told them "Hey, Mom and Dad, they told me about a great $250K-per-year opportunity at school. Can you buy me a pole and some mirrors for my bedroom so I can practice?"

Some things are just out of bounds.

Redstone

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[CarpeVeritas]

31. it gives them an opportunity to prepare for a career.

maybe it'll motivate them to get to a gym and tone up the money-maker.

[radwriter0555]

14. Selling drugs and stripping have nothing in common. Well, other than

fools and their money... but stripping doesn't hurt anyone. It's just girls dancing and horny men paying them.

If more women got into the management and club operations aspect, the potential abuse problems would lessen even more. As it is, more and more clubs are operating in the interests of the dancers, and it's becoming less a pimp n 'ho thing than ever, thank goodness.

Us chicks should take over the business... that'd really clean it up even more.

[CarpeVeritas]

35. I have a WHOLE LOT more respect for most exotic dancers

than I do for members of the clergy.

at least stripping is honest work.

[amazona]

19. strippers don't make anywhere near that kind of money

Like I've said before, I've been encountering strippers who are quietly going back to their office jobs. TIps are nothing like they were in the old days, and by the time you tip out everyone who has their greedy little hands out, the income is not good at all except for the women at the very top. And the "features" aren't just dancing. They are going to parties (prostitution), appearing in porno films, modeling. To tell a woman that she can make a good income these days just by taking off her clothes and shaking her rear end is a big lie.

A man distributing "career advice" which is just really his fantasies of what a stripper does and earns is a pervert, when he is giving this information to middle schoolers as an excuse to discuss their chest size. Don't leave him alone with the children is my opinion. He sounds like a real winner.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[Lerkfish]

22. exactly, you typed what I was going to say, but better...watch this perv

there is absolutely no reason to give this advice to eighth graders.
Well, no GOOD reason.
Further, its not like stripping is something you need to be counseled to do...women who do it end up there because of a lack of other choices, not because its a career choice.
Did he also advise the boys to become male strippers, and discuss that their penis size would get them larger tips?

[CarpeVeritas]

33. it was just one of MANY careers listed...

it's not like the guy was there to recruit for the adult entertainment industry- he was just pointing out that it is a legal option that some of them may want to consider.

granted, it's not right for everyone, but with the way jobs are being outsourced, the future generations are going to have to get creative.

[amazona]

39. he was LYING about the career and what it paid

He is telling people's 12 year old daughters that they can earn $250K a year in a job where they are more likely to earn $25K a year. And telling them this at an age where they are still making choices about their education.

I have no problem with women who strip for money. I do have a problem with pretending they are all Jenna Jameson and have a great lifestyle. Most sex workers rub someone off with their rear ends and are STILL dirt-poor. The ones who make the most money are not 100 percent legal. The days of "look but don't touch" are long, long over.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[CarpeVeritas]

41. the same holds true for A LOT of careers.

the TOP people in many many many fields will always earn a lot more than those who are just average or below.

as for "the days of look but don't touch are long, long over"...you haven't been in many strip clubs lately, have you?(and you were complaining about the guy giving the presentation LYING...)

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[CarpeVeritas]

76. maybe...

it is a free country after all...
and if someone wants to be a stripper(and LOTS of people do)- they have the right do so.

[sniffa]

38. it heLps pay for coLLege

for many i know. don't knock it.

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[sniffa]

52. Like i said

don't knock another person's LiveLyhood.

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[sniffa]

61. attagirL!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x2427805

[Skittles]

71. I'd prefer not degrading myself for tips, thank you

there are ways to make college money without displaying your tits

[Orsino]

46. And yet military recruiters...

...are permitted to market death as a career choice.

[jmm]

56. It's a job but I wouldn't call it a career

I've always thought of a career as something you could do for many years until you're ready to retire and get some benefits from. How many women strip for 50 years and then collect a pension :shrug: ?

[amazona]

60. heh well there's Lacey Legends

OK, I guess that was kinda catty. :-)

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[CarpeVeritas]

80. how many people do ANY job for 50 years?

and how many people have any hope of collecting a pension from their "career" anymore?

a smart and successful stripper could sock away A LOT of money in a short career.

btw- is being a professional football player a "career" in your opinion? not many of them last "50 years"...

[tigerbeat]

58. judging from the whole article.....

.....it seems the students actually baited him into talking about it and he took the bait. i think it was a combination of some mischevious students AND a bad judgement call on the career counselor's part. (hey, by the way....since when do 8th graders need career counselling? can't they just worry about being 8th graders for pete's sake?) of course once the SCLM gets done with it, teachers will have been teaching pole dancing and giving lap dances.

for what it's worth, i used to date an exotic dancer and she and her friends weren't drug addicts, drop-outs, idiots or sexually abused children. they all seemed to be fairly well-adjusted, fun, centered people just like all other people i have the good fortune to be friends with. i think our repressed society likes to find the bad stories in the sex-worker industry while putting blinders on when it comes to other professions. (how many stock brokers have blindingly bad coke habits for instance.)

[Ron Green]

81. 8th Graders don't need career counseling, but it's an appropriate age for

career investigation and awareness. Many boys at that age, when asked about their dream occupation, say they want to play for the NBA or the NFL, or to be a hit man or a pimp. This just shows the immaturity of their career awareness at that age, and I'm sure girls aren't much more advanced than this. Therefore, it's pretty irresponsible for any adult to get sucked into talking about stripping to kids at this age, IMO.

[MrScorpio]

62. Eighth grade is little early to be suggesting this career path

It should be a conscious choice to either do it or not when they're of age.

[Kellanved]

63. sounds familiar

WELLINGTON: Students at a New Zealand secondary school have listed prostitution and drug dealing on a list of desirable careers.

The job list, which also includes stripping and pimping, appeared in the year book at Kawerau College in the central North Island.

The book featured students' hopes about what they would like to do when they leave school and included suggestions such as brothel worker, drug lord, dope dealer, dope packer, stripper, pimp, beneficiary, druggie and "living on the street".

The Society for the Promotion of Community Standards, said Saturday that the legalising of prostitution in New Zealand earlier this year had created a climate in which students viewed prostitution, pimping and stripping as attractive and viable forms of legal work.

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http://theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11384428%255E29677,00.html

[Nikia]

72. I don't think that young girls should be told this

Unfortunately, in the Bush economy, this might be the best way for many women to earn a living. They should aspire to other things though. Stripping is what most women do when they are desparate. Even strippers who don't mind stripping usually need to aspire to other things. Few strippers continue to make a decent living past their early thirties. I don't know if many strippers make quite that much. While I think that they are paid more than in most jobs that most young women find themselves in, antedotally in better clubs around here they make around $50,000.

[anonymous44]

77. ..

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[cestpaspossible]

86. The lesson: don't tell the truth in the USA.

You can tell any type of lie you want as long as it is politically correct. But telling a truth that people don't want to hear means you "won't be invited back".

[Pithlet]

96. It's not about telling the truth.

There are all kinds of things that are the truth, but still aren't appropriate for discussion for children, particularly in a school setting. I don't know that stripping is an appropriate subject for career counseling. It's not as if stripping is something you can prepare yourself and work toward. You have to be young, and your appearance has to conform to certain ideals. He also wasn't entirely truthful about the kind of money one can expect to make.

I don't know if he was actually trying to make stripping appealing so that some of those girls would consider it, or if he was merely talking about the job and trying to clear up some common misconceptions. If it's the latter, I don't think it' that big of a deal, although it doesn't sound like he was doing a very good job of it. If it is the former, then he was WAY out of line.

[madrchsod]

87. 8th grade?

that`s a little young. i know someone who made alot of money doing this. it was a job to her,nothing more, nothing less. she picked who she wanted to entertain and never brought her work home. she`s going to school in italy.

[Bouncy Ball]

90. As liberal as I am,

if my daughter came home from school and said she listened to a speaker talk about stripping as a career choice, yeah, I'd be perturbed, to say the least.

My daughter says she's going to Harvard!

[Donailin]

93. Amen to that

Mine wants to go to culinary school,she wants to be a pastry chef, and I TOTALLY support that endeavor.