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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 05:26 PM
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Anger Management (long)
I have change the names to protect...well...everybody.


Over the past year, I’ve had ongoing struggles with one of the guys at work. Technically not a member of the same department, he notheless felt compelled to pass comment and judgement on much that was my responsibility. Which, honestly, I would have respected in him had he been competent or even remotely correct. But ‘Dick’ was neither. In that position previous to him was a brilliant fellow, who corrected and prodded me often, and I was appreciative of his mentoring. But ‘Dick’ seemed to generate nothing but panic, misinformation, hysteria and dislike wherever his comment might fall.

Dick was responsible for ordering data and managing the budgets with regard to one specific aspect of our work, as was the mentor before him. Dick mismanaged it, always either under or over ordering. The effect was that either it left a lot of people in the office sitting on their arse with nothing to do (at a high rate of pay), or it significantly overspent our weekly budget for ordering protocols. After I time, and tired of my withering looks, he’d come to me, asking me exactly how much data to order and when. And I would tell him. But Dick never ordered what I told him, or for when I told him we would need it.

Dick drank. All of management knew this, but Dick was an old friend of some highly placed members of the corporate team, and he was trying to ‘beat his addictions.’ Or so we were told, but most mornings that the data pulls were wonky were the ones following times where Dick came to work smelling like a distillery. Regrettably this was often.

I began writing down my recommendations for data pulls and I got one member of the management team to check my recommendations against the order logs. It quickly became apparent that there was a problem, and it wasn’t me. We were powerless to do anything, I was told.

In blatant disgust-fueled frustration one day I attempted to grab the reigns of the data ordering out from under him. After much hemming and hawwing it was decided by ‘Slick’ (a person in authority over both of us) that I would be given the responsibility for the data ordering after, and only ‘if’ I successfully jumped through a set of hoops. So I began my hoop-jumping. Before I’d anytime to complete the hoop-jumping Dick had convinced Slick that to pass the reigns to me would be a fatal fiscal mistake and Slick withdrew the offer. And Dick continued to mismanage the data in our department.

I seethed, but sometimes one has to suck these things up and drive on.

It all turned out for the best, however, when a few months later Slick left the company to pursue other opportunities, and I reinstated my attempted power-grab. At the same time, Dick’s responsibilities had dramatically increased and he was blatantly in over his head. Not only did he not resist giving me the reigns of the data pulls, - he was in an enthusiastic hurry to do so.

Through it all, Dick remained dependent on the bottle and resolutely taciturn and disapproving of pretty much everything. He knew more than we did and was far too good to be working with such peasants. With regularity he’d blow air about the elbows he’d rubbed and the places he’d worked, how important he was and things he’d seen. We’d roll our eyes behind his back. One day he found out who my father was and it shut him up for the better part of a month.

Unfortunately it then started his bitter and angry speculations on how I’d gotten my job and just how worthless an employee I truly was. The man who was my boss at the time was having none of that, however, ’H’ knew what a valuable employee I was and was unafraid to say so, even to powerful people with nasty dispositions.

Fast forward a few more months, Slick has left, my boss ’H’ has left, my responsibilities are increasing while Dick’s are being more and more limited. They gave the more important of Dick’s responsibilities to Sam for the heaviest work days and left Dick in charge only for the lighter, less urgent work.

Then Rob, the efficiency expert, came to the office. He spent 3 days examining the process in both departments and recommended some pretty drastic changes. I tried to be flexible with them, the ultimate goal is to make sure the expense is low and the profit is high, and nothing suggested for our department seemed unrealistic toward that goal.

Dick, on the other hand, began pitching fits as soon as Rob was out the door and didn’t stop for the better part of a week. He was required to do more and more paperwork to show an audit trail of the departmental expenditures. Dick knew almost nothing of how to work a computer and had no desire to learn. He did everything with a pencil and some accountant logs. Rob pretty much insisted on a spreadsheet tracking system in a specific format showing 2 dozen or so specific points of data.

Dick quit. He did not give notice, he pretty much went into the office of the uberboss and said ‘this is total B.S. - I’m outta here.’ And so he was.

Yet rumours trickled throught the grapevine. He’d apparently marched himself the next day into the offices of some highly-placed corporate muckety-mucks and pumped bilge. He cursed Rob (who thankfully was in Europe on holiday) as the reason the company was going down the tubes (it’s not, but … it would seem Dick knew better), and called a few S.O.B’s S.O.B’s.

We hired someone else in to fill his position. A fellow who’d been with us in the past and knew the work, but had been out on medical leave.

Yesterday I learnt that last Tuesday, Dick killed himself. He ate a gun.

I won’t pretend after his death that Dick was a lovable character and I’ll miss him. I won’t pretend to regret or guilt over not having tried to understand the man or warm up to him. He was a bitter, angry man whose elitism, pretensions and perfectionism were driven entirely by insecurities. He was an unpleasant person with an ugly character.

What I will say is that I find it sad. Somewhere in his youth he had potential. There was no doubt he could write and write well. Dick wasted his life in a bottle and ended it in bitterness, anger, disappointment and futility. I do not wish that on anyone.

I’m not sorry for you, Dick. But I’m deeply sorry for the young man you once were.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 05:29 PM
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1. Incredible
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revree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 05:29 PM
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2. This is sad on many levels,
mainly because he was obviously living in a kind of hell all his life. It truly is a tragic loss of potential.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 05:35 PM
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3. Wow...I wish
I had something pertinent and helpful to say. That's a really sad situation and you have to feel for his family.

I think I pretty much said all I have to with the first word...wow.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 05:39 PM
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6. I would
feel quite badly for his family. But he had none.

At 63 years of age, he'd never married and hadn't formed any relationships in the last decade that anyone knew of. Bitterness is poor company.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 05:52 PM
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11. You don't have a point
I'm obviously not gleeful over this man's death, and if I were indifferent 20 paragraphs and more than 1000 words is an odd way to demonstrate it.

Why don't you ask yourself what it is you really think you're objecting to about me and this post. Take a good long look.
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listenup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 06:51 PM
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22. I'll be damned
I've probably been alerted on a few times for ignorance, but this has gone two steps too far.

I alerted you. This seems not only ignorant, and not only "flameful," but absolutely threatening.

I guess you don't have the capability of standing back and .........

never mind.
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GURUving Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 07:11 PM
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 07:10 PM
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26. please just stop
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 07:22 PM
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32. You are absolutely out of line
From your very first appearance in this thread and have gone beyond the point of utter contempt and disgrace. I don't know you and I don't have the slightest idea why you have chosen to launch a personal attack against SOteric and not only don't have the good sense and decency to back off but escalate it by injecting your own personal issues into it and turning it something that has absolutely no resemblence with what was expressed in the initial post.

There is something REALLY FUCKED with this. You are OUT OF LINE. There was NOTHING out of line with the feelings expressed in the original post. What is going on here with you is a PERSONAL PROBLEM, and it is YOURS. You fucking owe an apology here.

Christ Almighty, you are awfully damned presumptuos. Who the fuck are you to judge how others "should" and "shouldn't" feel. Christ. You are really something.
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 07:41 PM
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37. OK, allow me to break it down for you:
Here's what I know about "Dick" (not his real name, but a curious choice for a replacement):

- "generate nothing but panic, misinformation, hysteria and dislike"
- "Dick drank."
- "he was trying to ‘beat his addictions.’"
- "Dick came to work smelling like a distillery."
- "Dick remained dependent on the bottle and resolutely taciturn and disapproving of pretty much everything. He knew more than we did and was far too good to be working with such peasants. With regularity he’d blow air about the elbows he’d rubbed and the places he’d worked, how important he was and things he’d seen. We’d roll our eyes behind his back. One day he found out who my father was and it shut him up for the better part of a month."
- "Yet rumours trickled throught the grapevine. He’d apparently marched himself the next day into the offices of some highly-placed corporate muckety-mucks and pumped bilge."

Assuming all of this is true...what's the point? He made your life (scratch that, your WORK life) hell, and now you feel justified because he killed himself (or "ate a gun", as you so poetically put it)?

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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 10:18 PM
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48. I hope you never try to be a counselor or chaplain, paragon
Because your patients would never do any better.

If you can't allow people to express themselves honestly without judgment, then maybe you shouldn't bother to be in apublic place where many people do express their feelings and emotions, and do it quite honestly.

I cringe to to think about what shitty, hurtful things you would say to my patients and their family members here in the hospitals. Poeple have feelings - sometimes hurtful ones - but they need to be shared and recognized, not villified.

I can't imagine what hurt you've experienced in the past, but it must be tremendous. Or else you had someone in your history who told you the "correct" feelings to have at all times, and they ingrained it so much that you can allow the possibility of admitting your own feelings.

And in this instance, SOteric didn't even offer te kind of "negative" feelings you attribute to her.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 09:05 PM
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42. I can't help but feel sorry for the man we know as Dick....
all that potential, mired in anger and bitterness. It can be easy to get like that. It can be hard to get out of it.

I also feel bad about the man that SOteric told us about.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 09:24 PM
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43. he he
hi ForrestGump!:hi:
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 09:41 PM
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44. Hi, Boobie!


Oops...wrong smiley....entirely innocent error on my part.... :D

:hi:
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 09:51 PM
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46. Of course it was insolence!
I mean innocence! Of course it was an innocent mistake!:D
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 09:55 PM
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47. Auto-reply from
Forrest Gump. Forrest cannot answer your post at this time, we are afraid, because he is still staring at that boobie emoticon. We hope to restore normal transmission...um...someday.

Really, he's a paragon of virtue...
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 10:24 PM
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49. No normal transmission please
We like you just the way you are.
:)
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 10:28 PM
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50. Thanks, populistmom! I return to my usual nocturnal transmissions...
:o
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 10:29 PM
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51. nocturnal what-missions?
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 10:33 PM
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52. Oh, sorry....I forgot to explain myself....
That was a nocturnal omission. :P
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 10:43 PM
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53. Indeed I did
Note the breakdown in transmission earlier. In fact, I tripped a circuit breaker myself about the same time. I was able to reset the switch in short order and everything has been operating smoothly on this end since. The origin of the initial short circuit that resulted the temporary breakdown in transmission is unknown. The service call has been closed with no further action anticipated or desired.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 07:28 PM
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34. Paragon
I am honestly incapable of understanding from what depths of unhappiness, bitterness, depression or self-loathing you have managed to plumb these purile attacks upon another DUer. I don't know if you are drunk, or stoned, or if your spouse just left you, or if your dog died, or if you are a wretch who is concerned with the fact that the suicide described above means the Wretch Chain to which you belong is now one link shorter. It could be any of these, or all of them. One thing is sure. You should be deeply ashamed to have spoken the way you did this last hour. In whatever seething cauldron you currently simmer, I am hopeful you are capable of such an emotion and realization. You desperately need it.
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 07:56 PM
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38. Will, you're a writer
As far as eulogies go, how does this one strike you? Would you give it at this guy's funeral?

I've read SOteric's post a number of times now. The only "emotion" I detect is contempt. The only "realization" I read was that demonizing people is OK, even after they've killed themselves.

Attacking someone who just had an acquaintance commit suicide WOULD be awful of me...if that person hadn't just ripped the guy to shreds with a condescending post on a message board.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 08:08 PM
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41. I took it as far from being condescending
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 06:07 PM
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14. I have to respectfully disagree with that
Edited on Sun Oct-05-03 06:09 PM by Booberdawg
First of all, I didn't see the slightest hint of pleasure expressed in the original post over this gentleman's death. Not at all.

And I don't agree that feeling indifference over someone else's death does one self a disservice. Indifference implies a neutrality that is neither positive or negative. Nor am I completely sure that indifference is what is being expressed.

I think your insinuation that it was a swipe over office politics is out of line. Really.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 05:55 PM
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12. That is even sadder...
sounds like a life wasted.
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listenup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 05:38 PM
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4. No one told me
No one said when I was little
only 50 pounds of energy and eyes
that I was worthy
worthy of my own beliefs
I saw the cracks in the sidewalks
I listened to the way he talks
dad
he never gave me a roadmap
to look at as I traveled
quietly and intently
towards my self declared doom.
mom
she was always so quiet
and soft
I hardly knew she was there
until she wasn't.
My worth is my work
and I've bested the best
should have traveled west
but my own beliefs
speak quietly and intensely
It's too much, too little
too late.

just some words -
sorry you had to experience the situation. :(
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 05:41 PM
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7. You are
so very talented.

Thanks for the words and the thoughts.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 05:39 PM
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5. Sobering
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 06:01 PM
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13. I'm really sorry, SOTeric.
:(
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 06:28 PM
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18. Thank you for your sensitivity, Loyal
I have cats, and they're very good at helping people deal with emotional upheaval.

And I have some good friends here, too. :hi:
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 06:51 PM
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21. You're welcome, too!
I like dogs better, cause that's what I have, but cats are okay too!

:hi:
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Interrobang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 07:13 PM
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28. Emotional upheaval is right!
I know precisely what it's like to feel indifference at the suicide of an acquaintance -- in my case, the suicide was an 18-year-old girl, abuse victim and former foster child who deliberately swallowed several too many pills. In the past we'd been not exactly friends, but close enough. We drifted apart when our lives diverged, really for no other reason (I moved away to go to school). Before that, I and everyone else in our circle had tried to offer her help with her self-esteem and alienation issues, as well as other tangential problems I won't get into. She always refused, and the people who had the power to stage any sort of a formal intervention (ie. her parents or her foster parents and not a group of teenagers, basically) were either the abusive parties or simply not interested. I was simultaneously disappointed and sad, but at the same time, I couldn't really feel too much about it, because I had tried to help, and she had refused the help (and occasionally got quite hostile about it). I mostly felt it was a waste.

In other words, in some circumstances, what you're feeling, SOteric, is absolutely normal, so don't let anyone emotionally blackmail you into thinking you're some kind of self-centred deviant or something.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 07:20 PM
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31. Thank you Interrobang
I'm sorry you had to go through that experience. I'm sure it was at once sad and frustrating. I don't think we ever truly get past the mark that some people leave on our lives, and I'm certain these two individuals will etch marks on our both our lives.

And thanks for the reassurance. I'm not too worried. What some folks don't know about me could fill volumes. ;-)
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 07:28 PM
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35. Those things are hard
I have an uncle who's a real waste and an alcoholic, but he's a good guy underneath and had all the ingredients that he could have been a lot more. He's basically been written off by everyone in his family, but we all care about him.

Good that you could see beneath your co-worker's bluster and anger to the person underneath.

(And we should be able to be honest about personal things on DU without others deciding to attack them for it.)
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 07:58 PM
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39. However difficult
his issues made the work situation, it's hard to go to work day after day with someone and not grow a certain emotional texture. We know that Dick loved the Beatles. He was a veritable font of Beatle-trivia. Why Don't We Do It In The Road and]Sgt. Pepper's, or myriad other early hits could often be heard coming from his cubicle.

He'd had a pet bird which he sold on a whim last Christmas when a stranger offered him a lot of money for it.

This and that he wrote brilliantly is pretty much all that we knew of him on a personal level.

Thanks for you thoughts. :hug:
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 07:32 PM
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36. I don't know what to say SO. I am sorry you had to deal for years with
this. My father in law was an alcoholic...and lots of times I hated him, for what he did to my husband and my family..then he killed himself, and my husband found him on Father's Day, and I was even angrier. Now, I remember the time he sent me a dozen roses on my Birthday and how much he loved my children. I remember the very small good things, and it helps. My heart goes out to you.

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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 08:02 PM
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40. What a horrific thing, MrsGrumpy
for everyone involved.

It would help if we had good things to focus on, I agree.
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 09:47 PM
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45. RIP Dick.
The bottle and it's side effects take another victim? :(
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 04:56 AM
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54. A good read that deserves another chance
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:20 AM
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56. ...
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 05:42 PM
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 05:46 AM
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55. How horrifyingly sad, SOteric. I'm so very sorry...
The magnitude of distress and conflict these events have caused you is quite clear.

Dick seems a lost soul who closely carried the seed of his own destruction. Only he knew what demons drove him to make so many poor choices and to live out his short life driven with fear and ineptitude (no doubt born of fear).

We all must live in some degree of pain, and it sounds like Dick had more than his fair share of it. His is a cautionary tale of the first water.

All best to you --
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Laszlo_Hollyfeld Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:01 PM
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58. Wow. You write so well.
I can't think of much to say about your coworker. It's such a terrible waste, and frustrating to watch someone destroy themselves.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:49 PM
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59. Welcome to DU Laszlo_Hollyfeld
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 06:50 PM
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60. Dupe
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 07:02 PM by Booberdawg
dupe
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