Wow. "The Dreamers" was a bad movie.

[Placebo]

At least I think so. It felt llke a movie that had such potential...but just sputtered into a cheap excuse for quasi-porn.

[Kire]

1. what is the deal with him pissing in the sink all the time?

even when there is a perfectly good toilet to use right there

:wtf:

[autorank]

3. It's a Dreamer thing, you wouldn't understand.

[LoZoccolo]

2. You're not the first person I've heard that from.

Even people who you'd expect to like that sort of thing complain about how gratuitious it is. And yet it's still in my queue, just because I want to confirm what you and others have said about it.

[autorank]

4. Oh, I actually saw this movie. It was pitiful. It was one of those

experiences that makes you want one of those disaster team detoxifying showers. Bunch of spoiled brats, totally self indulgent, and about as appealing (on any level) as the Plague. I'd take it of any list you have. It is el stinko!

[Placebo]

5. Agreed.

Lets try and break some meaningless record running through a fancy museum for no reason! Yay!

[autorank]

7. Right, and didn't the French brother and sister do it. Oh, that happened

so much back then (I must have missed it).

[saltpoint]

6. Not to pick a fight, but I loved it.

Bertolucci is a film genius.

I'd cut the man's grass for a year.

[Placebo]

8. Well yea, he's fab and all...

but even geniuses can produce mediocre and/or bad material.

[saltpoint]

11. They can, but I felt he was 'in-zone' on this one.

Critics in the U.S. hated LUNA, too, but Europeans loved it.

[autorank]

9. I'm reviewing my SPLC "Teaching Tolerance" video to calm down.

Just kidding. Why did you like it, just out of total curiosity?

[saltpoint]

12. I thought the young woman was a mezmerizing --

-- personality, and relied on BEING mezmerizing because she could not ultimately confront the part of her that had to break away from the screen and march out into the street.

She did at the very end -- she and her brother did at last join the revolution in the street -- so there was a triumph. But the tension in her character came early on because she could master cinema history but didn't live a real life. I thought that character was one of Bertolucci's very best.

Her brother was sometimes dominant and manipulative, but other times reduced to a sort of vulnerable child. His character was really fluid and mercurial, and I was part afraid of his volatility and part angry with him for not snapping out of it. Like his sister, he was lost in the celluloid and didn't confront himself until the very end.

The American peed in the sink that first time because he couldn't find the bathroom, unless I'm not remembering it right. And he kept the photo of the young woman in his underpants, which is sexy on one hand, but merely practical on the other.

I liked the parents creeping home with the check and finding the three of them more or less naked, piled atop each other, in the tent.

And I like Bertolucci because he takes on subjects that would give Jerry Falwell a massive stroke.

[autorank]

13. Clearly, I personalized the experience rather than looking for the symbols

and metaphors. Thanks for the explanation. Now I have to watch "Teaching Tolerance" to avoid slapping myself around. :spank:

I'll look at it again. If I have the same reaction, I'll confuse another DUer with you and behave badly...or maybe I'll come out from behind the screen...nah.

cya

[saltpoint]

14. Many people take your position on THE DREAMERS.

I'm in the minority, but I like the celluloid adolescence vs. real-life adolescence tension in the film.

'Saw it with my friend from Naples, Italy, and so maybe I'm seeing the film through European eyes, and maybe that's skewing the emotional outcome for me.

I thought the abandonment at the end -- with the two French siblings charging outside into the protest and fire and leaving the American guy yearning and kind of marooned -- was powerful. I wanted their friendship to survive, but got the impression it would not.

[autorank]

16. Now I figured it out. Thank you.

In my off network life, I sometimes deal with adolescents who are engaged in major struggles (unrelated to relative wealth) that are often tragic. My reaction to this film was a comparison of often times heroic struggles I observe with the decadent indulgence of the Bertolucci's three teens. Hmmm...

[theorist]

10. I liked it, but I know how you feel.

I hated Requiem for a Dream, but everyone seems to love it.

[sundog]

15. It was beyond bad

Even Michael Pitt's full frontal couldn't save it.

Complete cop-out. Totally tiptoed around gay themes.

Sucked bad. For better Bertolucci, try "Last Tango in Paris."