Grieving the Twins' loss.

[mac56]

There are enough gloating Yankee threads on here already.

I'm bumming hard. I love the Twins, and they just couldn't get it going today.

Just can't bring myself to cheer for the Yankees. How hard is it for George to build a dynasty when all he has to do is whip out the checkbook? And yes, yes, I've heard it all before - the Yankees had some sucky seasons, yada yada yada. Sure, fine, whatever.

And especially to hear the ESPN suckups (especially David Justice) talk about what a great character this Yankee team has. I wanted to puke after awhile.

If it turns out it's the Yankees and Braves, I'll probably skip the Series entirely.

On edit: the Cubs beat the Braves, so that's at least a little consolation.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

1. I agree. (My sour grapes reply)

Considering that the Yankees have had the highest payroll in baseball for the last, what, ten years? Twenty years? Considering that the Yankees are the only team to have to pay the new luxury tax...
And those Visa commercials with Derek Jeter and George S. are so annoying.
I said it before (not on this forum) and I'll say it again. The Yankees are what is wrong with baseball. I don't care that they didn't win last year, or the year before. (Hell, I was surprised that they lost in 2001. I thought for sure that someone would make sure New York's team won the world series, no matter what.)
They have purchased championships for so many years, it turns my stomach. How does any other team, like the Twins, who don't have a hell of a chance with television revenues, remain competitive unless there is more of a balance?
Character? You've gotta be kidding me! The only thing those players care about is the money line. Shannon Stewart has said several times that he wants to stay in Minnesota. Kirby Puckett turned down more money to play for the White Sox because he wanted to stay in Minnesota. I don't hear that coming from the big market teams. (Then again, I don't really listen that much.)
I guess I'm just angry. Angry over the dominance of big money teams. It is impossible for the Twins to raise that kind of money. Not even with a new statium would they come close to paying their players that kind of money.

Go Cubs.

[WindRavenX]

2. Twins a good team

However, it was only a matter of time before the Yankees FINALLY started playing like they should- game 1 was a game that showed how the Yankees played all year- poor cluch hitting, poor fielding, and poor emotions.
But then Derek Jeter finally rallied the troops.
I like the Twins. But they stood in the way of my Yanks...
And seriously, the Yankees don't "buy" championships- look at the core of the team: Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Williams, Nick Johnson, Rivera- these are all HOME GROWN guys; no free agent signings or trades. These are the guys that make them hard to beat.
Giambi and Mussina were ready to sign with their home teams, the GMs just didnt offer a no trade clause to either of them. In fact, in both case, I think the A's and the O's offered them MORE money than the Yanks, but money wasn't an issue- the no trade clause was. So I completely fail to see how championships are "bought"- they didnt win in 2001, 2002. What we are seeing is a historic stretch of prosperity for them. It won't last forever, be assured.
And besides, for 250 million, I'd say the Texas Rangers "bought" themselves a bit of championship...but they won't. They have no pitching, no defense, nothing.They waste it on offense.
The Yankees get where they go because of a good manager and GM. Stein is nuts and I don't like him, but I respect him in the sense he HATES to lose.
/rant

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

4. Spoken like a Yankees fan

I'll give you that. And congrats on your victory, too.
But seriously, the Yankees DO buy championships. If they didn't, they wouldn't have the highest payroll. Every single year, I hear about how the Yankees acqurie another big name hitter for X million dollars, and it disgusts me.
I don't hate the team.
Really.
I hate the greed that the team represents.
I hate the drastic difference between large market and small market teams. You don't see that kind of dominance in football anymore, do you?
I hate the fact that Bud Selig entered his tenure as Commissioner being a champion of small market baseball, and is now has a "tough luck, kid" attitude to the Twins, the Tigers, and all the other teams that simply can't afford to remain competitive.
I hate the fact that there is no real solution being offered by big-market teams to the widening gap between high-revunue and low-revenue teams, and sadly, they seem to have too much influence on Selig.

I seriously think that the Twins will not be able to keep this level of competitiveness for much longer. Which is another reason why I'm angry. There will be no talk of contraction until 2006 because of the new agreement, but that's only a few years away.

(And you don't win over a 100 games in a year with "poor clutch hitting, poor fielding, and poor emotions".)

[WindRavenX]

6. But what about the Red Sox?

Seriously, they have the second highest payroll and no one complains that they're ruining baseball....:)
Regarding the Tigers, the owner has money and just refuses to spend it on the Tigers- he spends it instead on the Red Wings (he also owns them). Same for the Angels- you think Disney can't competet with the Yankees? Disney could EASILY outspend Stein, but they do't. Why is that the Yankees' fault? :shrug:
There needs to be both a MINUMUM and a MAX payroll and salary caps. Ironically, what may have prompted that may not be the Yankees, but ARod and his sickenign 250 million contract. Seriously, 1/4 of a BILLION dollars.
And I HATE Selig for what he's dong to baseball- trying to contract the Twins is BS.
Regarding the 100 games won by the Yankees, it is simply amazing they won that amount; if you watched the team thru the season, you'd understand what I mean by my statement. At times, with the exception of DJ, they played like they were sleep walking.

[donotpassgo]

15. WAA WAA WAA

OAKLAND HAS A LOW PAYROLL and look where they are. The Marlins have a low payroll and look where they are.

The Yanks won their 4 championships without the Massive payroll they had now...

AND

There was no free agency with the Yankees of the 20's 30's 40's 50's 60's and most of the 70's.

[ShaneGR]

3. Since I'm an Indians fan, I'll comment

Yankees suck and MLB sucks because there is no salary cap. The Yanks just go out and buy everyone elses talent.

[dawgman]

5. david justice is a wife beating yankee kiss ass

who can eat my shit.

[Emboldened Chimp]

7. Come on, now

He's not even playing any more...and he was a Brave for longer; he was only a Yankee for a couple seasons.

[dawgman]

8. didn['t say he was ayankee said he was a kiss ass

[Emboldened Chimp]

9. Yeah, you're probably right

but he did win a WS win them, so that might taint his thinking.

[dawgman]

10. he also beat his wife

[Emboldened Chimp]

11. Yeah, I know

Unfortunately, it happens a lot with athletes. What can you do? I can't do anything about it.

[Emboldened Chimp]

12. Oh, yeah, almost forgot...

Kirby Puckett had his problems, too...

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/local/4754100.htm

The mythical life of Kirby Puckett began to unravel by accident. It happened a year ago, when his wife walked into their Edina home and overheard the most popular athlete in Minnesota history talking on the bedroom phone.

Talking intimately.

Tonya Puckett picked up an extension and listened.

What she heard shocked and angered her.

There was another woman.

That the former Twin could be having an affair would not make him unique in society and certainly not in the athletic world. That this former Twin could be cheating on this wife would end not only their relationship, but the image of Kirby as a role model and humanitarian she had worked so hard to shape.

It began a series of events that now has his life at a crossroads. Once voted Baseball's Best Role Model and Friendliest Player in a 1993 Baseball America reader survey, Puckett has spent the last year facing accusations not only of womanizing, but violence, and he faces a February trial on charges of felony false imprisonment and gross misdemeanor sexual conduct for an October incident. His job status with the Twins is in limbo after two decades with the franchise. And his divorce from Tonya, she says, is just a signature away from completion.

[WindRavenX]

13. C'mon guys, this is getting low

Don't bash a team because of a player's problem..c'mon now.... :eyes:
Yes, David Justice had his problems. Doesn't represent the team.

[Red_Storm]

14. Gloating Yankee fans? .........

let's not mention the "Twins kick Yankee ass", "The Yankees are finished" and other like minded threads that were posted after game 1.............

[WilliamPitt]

16. Cowboy up and root for the Red Sox

and we might...might...be able to deliver you some karmic retribution.

[donotpassgo]

17. cowboy up????

Ridiculous...yet another silly trend (Rally Monkey, anyone) That'll last a year before the fans realize dumb it is.

[Emboldened Chimp]

18. Oh god, not that cowboy up crap

It's seriously lame. Worse than the rally monkey. You guys sure are desperate!