The Story of High Carb

[high_carb_hot_dog]

Ok, here's my background.

I was born in Atlanta Ga. to a fundamentalist Republican family. All my life I grew up thinking that the democrats were the bad guys and was fed a steady stream of conservative beliefs. Even voted for Jeb Bush for governor. However, around March 2003, I really began to study the Democratic Party and it's beliefs. Turns out, it's more in line with what I believed. So I switched from a Republican to a Democrat.

This isn't to say I didn't retain some conservative values. For example, I'm pro-life. I'm also not as quick to criticize the Iraq war as other Dems seem to be. Something about Iraqis turning out in troves to vote despite threats from muslim terrorists just makes me proud to be an American and I can't bring myself to criticize Bush when I see that.

So that's just a little about me and what makes me different. Any comments/insults/marriage proposals/etc would be greatly appreciated

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[Misunderestimator]

22. Seems to me that....

he is proving the opposite.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

35. That's the gist I get

Oh well - :)

[VioletLake]

2. I guess you'll do. ;)

We can work on the war stuff starting Monday.

[VioletLake]

61. So much for starting Monday. LOL n/t

[mhr]

3. Well Despite Your Pride In Iraqis Voting - I Cannot Stomach A President

That lied to start an optional war that has now killed over 100,000 people.

Democracy or not, there is no excuse for his actions!

[high_carb_hot_dog]

6. see that's the thing

I firmly believe that the war was started to gain control over the Iraqi oil supply. the freedom of the Iraqis was just a nice afterthought.

My moral dilemma right now is trying to come to a conclusion about whether I think the freedom of the Iraqis, even as an afterthought, was worth all the trouble it caused us. Including the lives of our soldiers

[smbolisnch]

8. What about the trouble it caused them, and the rest of the world?

I don't know, like for example the 100,000+ Iraqi lives?

[Misunderestimator]

21. So, basically, you think that going to war with Iraq for their OIL was ok.

But now you're not so sure it was WORTH ALL THE TROUBLE? You don't have a word to say about the tens of thousands of civilians who've been killed? Was that worth the trouble?

[high_carb_hot_dog]

27. we'll see

only time's gonna tell if it was worth all the trouble. don't think I don't feel bad about all the Iraqis that died, because I do. but all I'm saying is that I'm holding out to see whether the sacrifices on ours and the Iraqis part will be make a better Iraq in the future.

[Misunderestimator]

30. Sorry, but there CAN be no "worth all the trouble" to this war.

You may choose to wait for "history" to prove something to you about what "good" could come from such evil, but I prefer to act against corruption, greed and inhumanity in the present.

[high_carb_hot_dog]

31. see that's where I think you're wrong

i don't believe all war is necessarily evil. and if these iraqis are better off in the long run because of our actions, then so be it.

either way, we have to stay there till the job is done. we absolutely cannot pull out

[smbolisnch]

32. Well what do YOU propose then?

[high_carb_hot_dog]

34. I propose...

that we stay there until we stabilize the country and then slowly withdraw our forces. A pullout right now would be humiliating for the US. Hopefully these elections will give us a long needed and much deserved respite from the problems caused by the insurgents.

[Misunderestimator]

36. The "problems caused by the insurgents" OMFG....

You need to think about the real root cause here.

[high_carb_hot_dog]

39. yea yea, I know

the insurgents are freedom fighters fighting against big bad America, blah blah blah

[Misunderestimator]

41. "freedom fighters fighting against big bad America" such beautiful quotes

you provide. What kind of democrat are you?

[high_carb_hot_dog]

42. well....

I consider myself a moderate. Liberal on some issues, conservative on others. I think it's the best way to be

[Misunderestimator]

43. Tell me why you think the US was justified to invade Iraq.

I'd like to hear that from your obviously conservative viewpoint.

[high_carb_hot_dog]

46. i told you what I thought about Iraq

I think that the freedom of the Iraqis was simply an afterthought and a method used to sell the war to the American public. but at the same time, if we really do somehow make that country a better place, then it could very well be worth it. Our soldiers over there seem to think we're doing the right thing since like 80% of em voted for Bush and I trust their judgment. I don't support Bush's reasons for going and I think that things should've been done differently, but what's done is done. my concerns are first and foremost for our soldiers over there. then for the Iraqis. I'm sorry for all the innocent lives lost, I truly am.

I'm hoping it's worth it, I really am. Even if I don't agree with the reasons, I certainly agree with bringing democracy to a country that has never known what it's like

[Misunderestimator]

50. You agree with "bringing democracy" to them, but you said it was about OIL

earlier... And it seemed like you thought that was a just reason for the war. We're all concerned that we don't cause more damage, we all know that we can't pull out without any plan after the mess WE caused. MY concern is for EVERYONE EQUALLY who has been betrayed, maimed or murdered in this "nation-building" effort.

How can you so blithely forget the lies that led us there. You don't "support" his reasons for going.... don't you ABHOR the lies that were used?

someone else offered to provide you a link to a forum more suited to your state of mind... you should pm them.

[high_carb_hot_dog]

55. not at all

what I said was that it was a crappy reason. but I also said if our actions there do bring about a better Iraq, then it will be worth it DESPITE a crappy reason.

[Misunderestimator]

59. How could it EVER be worth it to invade them and kill them for no reason?

You seem to suffer from the illusion that the people who perpetrate an atrocity could also be the ones who bring good to the same people they killed.

I'm done here... :hi:

[alittlelark]

45. Dude, you are on the wrong forum.

PM me for a link to the forum you are looking for

[smbolisnch]

37. "The problems caused by the insurgents"

WTF?
It's not even worth it to continue this conversation. :eyes:

[Misunderestimator]

33. Tens of thousands dead and all their families are surely rejoicing...

I really do think you've wandered too far from home....

[catzies]

38. How can you say you're pro-life when you're also pro-war?

:crazy:

Never mind. I know what "pro-life" means to you. :eyes:

[high_carb_hot_dog]

40. i don't think it's that simple

there's a big gray area there

[smbolisnch]

4. There is nothing to be proud of, rest assured.

The person you can't bring yourself to criticize is a murdering criminal. :eyes:

[Red_Viking]

5. Welcome!

I'm a recovered Repub myself. I blame it on the fact I grew up in Texas and my parents (both Dems) never talked politics with me. My friends were all Repubs, or pretended to be, so I just went along with them. But, I never really agreed with the stuff I heard Repubs say...like, screw the working people...screw the environment...screw the poor...screw women's choice to have control over their bodies...so as you can see, I was never really a Repub.

About the time shit-for-brains stole his first election, the light really began to come on for me. Luckily, I had met a gorgeous bleeding-hear-liberal guy. He never forced his political beliefs on me. Rather, when I'd have a "WTF?" moment about the neocons, he'd give me a book. Or ask me some questions. He really made me think about politics and my own personal ideology. Now, I think I'm further left than he is. He touched my inner liberal! (Hey, this isn't a sex thread.)

Anyway, welcome, hope you enjoy it here. I lurk mostly, but I've been around for about 2 years and these are some great folks. We have all kinds. :P

Peace,

RV

[The empressof all]

7. Welcome

You'll learn a lot through your visits and participation here. Some folks will jump all over you if they disagree. It will just serve to make you think more about your positions. Your views may evolve or get stronger. I hope you keep an open mind and a thick skin. It's well worth it.

[alittlelark]

9. If you are really pro-life - you would have been against b*sh

from the beginning. I respect TRUE pro-lifers (there are few).

If you cannot criticize the war in Iraq with GREAT ZEAL - you are not pro-life.

[high_carb_hot_dog]

10. I consider myself a true pro-lifer

see, I'm also against the death penalty. I believe all life is sacred, that includes fetuses and murdering scum.

and you're gonna havta be more clear about the Iraq war

[alittlelark]

12. Being against the death penalty is one aspect of pro-life.

A very important one. As for the Iraq war.... We have killed 100,000 civilians, spread Depleted Uranium to the degree that the world will not recognize the devastation for 5-10 years, and looted their country.


PS - did you know that Iraqis are no longer able to use the seeds that their Great Great Great Grandmothers (and Grandfathers) have produced..... They now must buy seed from Monsanto. We have looted, and are attempting to privitize their entire country.

[high_carb_hot_dog]

13. i dunno

I only think that history will be able to provide you with an appropriate response to that post

[alittlelark]

15. uh, yeah....... whatever you say.

enjoy your stay.

[Misunderestimator]

19. Oooh.... I wanna use that line when I don't have something useful to say..

:eyes:

[smbolisnch]

20. You must be joking? nt

[Misunderestimator]

11. That's about what I would have assumed.

On edit: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=2566906

[alittlelark]

17. Thanks for the link... I understand a bit more now.

The proof is in the posts

:eyes:

[high_carb_hot_dog]

24. glad to see you understand me so well

[alittlelark]

25. I think most of us understand you now !!!

:evilgrin:

[high_carb_hot_dog]

28. ooo...

I'm scared

[alittlelark]

29. why be scared? We understand you....

Doesn't everyone strive to be understood?:shrug:

[Misunderestimator]

26. Well, it's quite easy actually, since you are so transparent.

[alittlelark]

44. Hey, we 'understand you'.... come back.......

[Vanje]

23. Thanks

I see

[Bertha Venation]

14. Thanks for telling the tale. It explains a lot.*

And if you truly want to discuss bisexuality or homosexuality from the standpoint of someone who doesn't understand it and honestly wants to know why some people aren't straight, and you can/want to listen with an open mind, try re-posting your thread of the other day in the GLBT forum.

I'll participate in the discussion and I'll try not to be an asshole. You must understand that we have been dealing with disgusting assumptions about our personal lives and honest-to-God hurtful, even dangerous, discrimination -- not to mention death threats, beatings, and murders -- all of our out lives.

'night, all -- an early one for me

PS You can still be proud of Iraqis for the joy in their election, and feel privileged and grateful to be an American in these times, and criticize Bush & his admin. These aren't contradictory positions.

* if true

[Misunderestimator]

16. Yep... that's the thread I linked above...

Night, Bertha! :hi:

[alittlelark]

18. Good Night Bertha... good luck w/ the kitties.

[JanMichael]

47. What a load of crap

Pro-life, and pro-war. Lemme take a wild guess; you claim to be a Christian, too.

Fucking spare me this drivel.

[high_carb_hot_dog]

48. nope

i am like sooooooo not a christian. religion isn't my thing

[JanMichael]

49. Well, thank christ for that

Why are you pro-life then?

[high_carb_hot_dog]

51. well...

cause I believe in the value of all life. I think a fetus is more than just stem cells. i think it's a person and deserves to be treated like one. i think abortion should only be used in cases of rape or when the mother's life is in danger. that's just my opinion

[JanMichael]

54. "Opinions" don't really cut it on this topic now, do they.

Your opinion should have ZERO bearing on whether or not a woman chooses to have an abortion.

Can you please tell me how you could possibly have a problem with that notion?

If you vote for pro-life people based on your opinion which is so uniformed that you equate a fetus with "a bunch of stem cells," then you are just as dumb as anyone who is registered Republican, and you should probably just stay with your warmongering, uneducated party.

[high_carb_hot_dog]

60. lemme explain

I don't want to outlaw abortion or anything. but I am personally opposed to abortion and would never ever encourage a woman to have one. maybe I'm that way because my aunt still has nightmares from an abortion she had 20 years ago. I believe that that baby in the woman has as much right to live as anybody else.

[JanMichael]

65. Oh. So you heard a scary story

and decided to base your opinion on that. I see.

What about those poor widdle fetuses of rape victims? They deserve to die, but ones that are accidents deserve to live? How do you determine which fetuses are OK to abort?

Dumb argument.

[Bok_Tukalo]

57. Why in the case of rape?

If you accept the notion that personal liberty of the individual carrying the fetus can determine to terminate that person's life as matter of choice because of rape, then you accept that choice for any reason including mere convienence.

[Bok_Tukalo]

53. I'm Agnostic and Pro-Life

It is not necessary to be religious to find the practice of abortion morally repugnant.

[Misunderestimator]

56. Oh YAY! Now it's an anti-choice thread...

just keeps getting better.

[Bok_Tukalo]

63. Not really.

<eom>

[JanMichael]

58. Great. Read my response to the other pro-lifer dear

Your opinion means shit to a woman who is trying to make an informed decision. In fact, you should be embarrassed at wanting to set public policy and influence laws because of something you "feel."

[Bok_Tukalo]

62. "Your opinion means shit to a woman"

And most men, as well.

Regardless, I was responding to the notion that only religion can direct a person to a moral conclusion that killing people in the womb is bad.

[alittlelark]

52. I guess capitalization isn't your thing either.

[Moderator]

64. Locking...

The Original Poster is no longer with us.

-DU Moderator.