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Atlas Mugged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:07 AM
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McCartney Blows Chunks
I didn't disrupt the McCartney adoration threads, so, if you love McCartney, go back to one of those threads and gush away. This thread is for anyone who think's he's a talentless hack who hitched a ride on Lennon's comet. The evidence is damning - McCartney's entire solo career is crap.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:08 AM
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1. and now
i'LL be pLaying some new materiaL from wings upcoming aLbum.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:09 AM
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2. Though I wouldn't go so far as to call Paul "talentless"...
I would agree that Lennon was the far more talented of the pair.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:14 AM
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Based On What...
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:15 AM
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4. Based on my personal judgment.
How's that for a cop-out? ;-)
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:17 AM
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9. That's A Fairer Assessment Than That Of The Seminal Poster
-:)
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Atlas Mugged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:16 AM
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5. As John himself said:
'The only thing you did was Yesterday....'
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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:17 AM
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10. Finish it
"...and since you've gone it's just "Another Day".

He gave him credit for two...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:21 AM
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14. Another Day Is A Subtle Feminist Anthem....
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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:21 AM
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16. Wasn't that subtle to me
and it's a great song.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:35 AM
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30. It's An Awesome Song....
I didn't say it to denigrate it...


It illustrates the difference between the two...


Lennon's feminist anthem was "Women Is The Nigger Of The World"...


McCartney's feminist anthem is "Another Day"


I think McCartney grates on some folks because of his lack of angst....



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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 05:52 PM
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57. Well, that obviously isn't true since Paul wrote MORE HITS than
Lennon did after they broke up. :shrug:
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bobbobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:14 AM
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3. Paul wrote Imagine...and you have the nerve to call him talentless!!?!?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:16 AM
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6. That's A Joke....
butif you want I will fire off fifty McCartney songs from Yesterday to Maybe I'm Amazed that are pretty damn good...
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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:16 AM
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7. Lennon wrote Imagine N/T
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:19 AM
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13. He Was Being Sarcastic...
I don't see how elevating Lennon denigrates McCartney or vice versa...


They were two different people whose differences complimented one another...

Or maybe they were the same...

Both have egos the size of a house...

I'd have a big ego too if I was part of one of the greatest song writing duets in history...
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:21 AM
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15. Exactly.
I can't see how any post on this thread will sum it up better than yours.

:toast:
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DistantWind88 Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:22 AM
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17. I'm not sure he was
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:38 AM
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33. Sure he was what
part of a great song writing duet?


I realize musical taste is subjective but folks who are more knowledgeable than me would give Lennon and McCartney props for writing beautiful music...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:40 AM
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35. I Am Confused...
I think even the most casual music listener knows Imagine is Lennon's song....
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bobbobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:17 AM
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49. I was
:P
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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:35 AM
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31. John was the Andrew Lloyd Weber of Rock
He wrote tuneless dirges with the subtelty of Maoist propaganda songs (The glorious revolution makes us all happy on the collective farm.) His "philosophy" was about what you'd expect from a half-educated art school dropout, i.e., sophomoric at best (although Paul admittedly has no "philosophy" at all). Like Andrew Lloyd Weber, John put prose to "music" that was about on the level of nursery school chanting (Instant Karma is a good example).

Paul, on the other hand, is a brilliant musician whose songs tend to be as vapid as the day is long. That puts him head and shoulder above most of the rock "gods," who tend to be mediocre musicians who write vapid songs.

But together, they were something far greater then either alone.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:08 AM
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46. you have got to be kidding
Tuneless dirges?

"In My Life"
"And Your Bird Can Sing"
"Dear Prudence"
"Cry Baby Cry"
"Across The Universe"
"Number 9 Dream"
"Beautiful Boy"
"Grow Old With Me"
"Watching The Wheels"

Your last sentence is the only one I agree with.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:14 AM
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47. You Forgot Norwegian Wood
Read the thread .....

I dig both of them..


But like the poster you are referring to I do think it's silly to say Lennon or Yoko were especially deep or profound thinkers and their thinking is revealed in their music...


And it is that thinking that leads many to elevate John and denigrate Paul....


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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:43 AM
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51. Hey DSB, I was referencing patcox2's post.
Sorry about the confusion.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 06:32 PM
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60. Damn tyou for making me think!
Oof! I felt like a bad-guy in a comic book just getting belted in the stomach by the superheor when I read your post...

And then I thought, and thought, and then thought some more.

Now I'm confused. You're certaibnly not wrong, but... but... but...

Ohhh damn! Syntaxes overloading! Eyes bulging, drool beginning to form. Damn you!

I'm going to think a lot about this now and you're to blame! Damn you for making me think!

:)
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Atlas Mugged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:18 AM
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12. Hi! You must be one of W's speech writers! n/t
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:36 AM
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32. Ummmm.....let's see.
You started this thread by posting that McCartney blows chunks.

Exactly who is having an emotional response? :-)

(No, you are now saying this thread is satire. Obviously, you didn't start it that way. The backlash changed your expressed opinion.... you fickle thing, you.)
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bobbobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:38 AM
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34. hehe, they took the flamebait
my work here is done
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bobbobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:55 AM
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42. As Paul McCartney would say...you should give peace a chance.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:57 AM
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43. I Want To See A Citation That McCartney Supported The Iraq Invasion...
Let's look at his bio:

Comes from a working class family...

Is a vegan.....

wrote Give Ireland Back To The Irish...

is married to an amputee and anti landmine activist...


Doesn't sound like the profile of a PNAC member to me....


If you can't find a citation for your assertion that McCartney supported the Iraq invasion is it fair to assume you pulled it out of your ass?

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Atlas Mugged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:14 AM
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48. Yes - satire
Perhaps you're familiar with the word - but not the concept?

The 'McCartney Blows Chunks' thread would never have existed if it had not been for all the McCartney-at-the-Superbowl lovefests. It was a satirical reaction, and, I was hoping, a place where the people that were constantly being demonized on the McCartney love threads could voice their opinions without fear of freeper-like attacks.

You will note, I never, once, posted on any thread that was pro McCartney with any anti McCartney rhetoric. I thought it was the civilised thing to do.

You really need to channel your energy into something more worthwhile. Quite frankly, this is getting tedious beyond endurance, and I have better things to do. Since you don't - well, damn, your life must be pathetic.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:55 AM
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52. They Were Both Great...
but it seems that some of Lennon's fans think his music was Marx and Engels put to tune which it wasn't and then fault Paul McCartney for not having a message in his song.....


That's what Pat Cox was saying...

But Lennon and McCartney both wrote some piquant yet subtle stuff of which Norwegian Wood and Another Day are beautiful examples....
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:25 AM
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22. And you do nothing more than prove my assertion.
:hi:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:28 AM
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24. Freedom Is An Awful Song But He Didn't Have Much To Work With...
That's like saying Linda Lovelace was a horrible fellatrix because she once gave someone a bad blow job....
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:32 AM
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27. LMAO!!!
To damned funny. :toast:
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:18 AM
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11. let me know when your next CD comes and you tour with it
after that then update me on your charity work and all the great songs you've written.
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Atlas Mugged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:28 AM
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25. Congratulations!
You've just justified the careers of every stooge who's ever had a CD, tour, and done some highly visible charity work. "Great songs" is too debatable to qualify as a requirement.

Again - go back to your McCartney love fest threads - this thread is NOT for you!!! That was stated from the beginning!!!
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 02:37 PM
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54. OK, tell me when you release any CD as great as BOTR or RAM
or write anything as good as most of the second side of Abbey Road.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 06:09 PM
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59. Side Two Of Abbey Road Is Paul's Mini Rock Opera..
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:24 AM
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20. Why must everything be turned into a competition?
Lennon and McCartney were both great and will also be remembered bigger as a team beyond anything either did individually. As solo artists, I love Lennon myself, but as a collaborative team they wrote some classics, so both obviously had great talent.

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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:25 AM
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21. While weak, McCartney's segment was better that the
Black eyed Pea stuff. IMO.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:26 AM
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23. All Artists Hit A Creative Wall...
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 10:46 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
Elton John hit his in 1975 with the Goodbye Yellow Brick Road album...


The Stones hit their collective wall with the Let It Bleed album in 1970...


Eric Clapton hit his creative wall with his work with Cream in the late 60's...


Dylan hit his creative wall with Blood On The Tracks in 1976...

It pains me to say it that Sir Paul probably hit his creative wall with the Band On The Run album in 1975...

Dying young like Jimi Hendrix , Janis Joplin, and Jim Morrison is arguably a good career move....
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:34 AM
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28. Very insightful comment
and it makes me wonder what kind of music Lennon would be making if he were still around. It's tough to compare an aging Paul to a still young and still-rocking John, because that's how we remember him.

Maybe a little unfair to Paul.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:03 AM
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45. Lennon's Solo Work Was Uneven....
Don't forget he had the hiatus between the Walls And Bridges album in 74 and the Starting Over album in 80....


I thought Starting Over was ok and because of it's timing it has achieved iconic status but it's just a middling album...


To me McCartney's last great work was Bad On The Run and Flowers In the Dirt wasn't bad...


I guess artists only have a finite reservoir of creative talent....
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 02:40 PM
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55. I love Lennon, and I love Imagine and Plastic Ono Band, but really
at some point it was too few chords. too many unedited grocery list style lyrics, and too much delay on his voice.

Pick up McCartney's last pop album, Driving Rain, if you haven't . . . . some good stuff there.
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bobbobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:43 AM
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39. I wouldn't call Goodbye Yellow Brick Road a wall
captain fantastic and rock of the westies came after it and were both brilliant...he hit the wall with blue moves or a single man.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:53 AM
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41. Music Is Subjective....
but we agree on the larger point that almost all musicians or artists hit a creative wall.....




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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:40 AM
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36. blah blah blah
blah blah blah....All of you know Ringo was the best Beatle, so this whole Lennon-McCartney who was better thing is pointless.

And what qualifies this assessment? My opinion. So there :P
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:42 AM
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38. Paul & John wrote some great songs and they both wrote some shit too
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 10:43 AM by edbermac
The difference between the two is that Paul likes to entertain people and Lennon couldn't give a shit whether you liked him or not. Lennon seems more strident without McCartney and Paul is too cutesy without John...I like most of their Beatle/solo stuff and the rest is crap...
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:58 AM
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53. Lennon & McCartney were better together than apart.
I can see why the Beatles could not continue as they had. But it's a shame that Yoko dragged John into her web & broke up the partnership.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:26 AM
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50. His association with PETA removed all of his creative juices.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 05:49 PM
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56. Yeah, right. Will Beatle-envy ever end?
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 05:50 PM by Kahuna
:shrug:
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 06:04 PM
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58. Disagree wholeheartedly
I don't think the Beatles, my favorite artist, would have been as magical without McCartney. Lennon may have been a better songwriter solo, but Wings is still great. Wings would certainly be at the top tier of today's music.

**Going back to the McCartney gush threads**
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