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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 02:25 PM
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Poll question: Today's flamebait debate: sexual harrasment
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 02:27 PM by LoZoccolo
Suppose a nice position opens up at a big corporation, and eight people are qualified and vying for a promotion to it, and four of them are women. The manager in charge does not fill it right away, and a month passes. "I'm seeing who's qualified" he says, and that's all he'll say. Two months pass. Six months. A year. Finally, fifteen months after the position opened up, one of the female candidates performs a sexual favor for him (offered by her, and not solicited by him) and is hired that day. Is the manager guilty of sexual harassment?
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 02:28 PM
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1. It's not sexual harrassment, but it sure is favoritism.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 02:28 PM
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2. Nope. So long as he doesn't do or say anything.
Or even imply that the first person to do it would get the job.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 02:34 PM
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3. More likely than not yes. He is guilty of violating Title VII of the Civil
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 02:36 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
Rights Act of 1964 which deals with all forms of harassment including sexual favors in return for hiring.

On edit: Of course there would need to be a complaint either from the person performing the favors or the people who were discriminated against for NOT performing the favors...so your hypothetical is missing some facts.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 02:34 PM
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4. More likely than not yes. He is guilty of violating Title VII of the Civil
Rights Act of 1964 which deals with all forms of harassment including sexual favors in return for hiring.
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dr.strangelove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 02:35 PM
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5. If the decision to hire her was at all related to the sex act, it is..
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:51 PM
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6. Yes
The people who were not hired would have recourse. I read about this somewhere.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 06:07 PM
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7. A detail was left out.
Let's say that there's no discussion of quid pro quo or even the open position on the part of the manager or the employee.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 06:12 PM
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8. Well
If he was taking a year to make the decision, and then the woman who performs favors for him gets hired that day, then it wouldn't be all that hard to guess what probably happened, there. The way you set it up makes it look very much like the sexual favor is what got her the job.

And, yes, it is sexual harassment. He had no business offering or accepting favors like that. No one in a hiring position, regardless of gender, does.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 06:14 PM
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9. Well yeah, it's like he was waiting for one of them to step forward.
But I don't know how you could prove anything without so much as a discussion of quid pro quo on behalf of either party.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 06:18 PM
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10. I'm not a law expert.
But, I would think that the time he took to "make the decision" and then suddnely made the decision the same day, that it wouldn't be too hard to prove. Particularly if they didn't conintue a relationship from that point. But, as I said, I'm not an expert.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 07:04 PM
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15. Who would be the guilty party here to press charges?
It seems as both parties involved wouldn't press any kind of charges. Other employees could complain about it in other ways, but I don't think Sexual Harassment would come up.

david
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 06:34 PM
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11. He is allowing the woman to commit sexual harassment
and allowing sexual harassment in the office.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 06:36 PM
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12. And since this corporation could be a porno studio...
Who's to say?
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 06:37 PM
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13. Of course not! This is known as "standard business practice".
hee
;-)
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 07:00 PM
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14. no
unethical as fucking hell (and probably illegal), but i don't see it as sexual harrassment

:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat
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