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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:09 PM
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So get this: I dry heaved so much last week I INJURED MY JAW.
Yep. Went to the doctor, who sent me to the dentist, who sent me to another doctor.

I injured that TMJ joint (that was redundant but you know what I mean)where your upper and lower jaw connect right in front of your ear.

On the right side. Can't clench my teeth together and can't open my mouth very wide. Hurts all the time. Felt like I had a horrible earache, but no ear infection. They did an x-ray and an MRI.

Geez. Have you ever heard of such a thing? Now THAT'S dry heaving!

I must be like the champion of it or something. Do I get a trophy?

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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:10 PM
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1. Ow
I'm not sure I'd want a trophy for that.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:11 PM
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3. Dammit, I better get one now
after going through all that!

The best part? There's no real "cure" for this. They showed me how to massage those muscles and I have to do that every night and take Alleve and hope it gets better.

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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:14 PM
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11. Isn't there some sort of surgery for TMJ?
Not that you'd want it or anything.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:17 PM
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15. yeah but it's only for super bad cases
and most doctors think the cure is worse than the problem in that case. They put in a synthetic joint. Ouch, can you imagine?

So we're going to try dry heat, massage and Alleve for a while and see if that helps. What an odd thing to happen.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:18 PM
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17. Yikes.
I hope the massage and pain relievers work for you. What an awful thing to happen.

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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:11 PM
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2. I have never heard of that
but I have heard of people popping blood vessels in their eyes from vomiting and dry heaving.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:12 PM
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4. After I had our daughter
I had two black eyes. Nice pictures, me a new mom, holding my baby and looking like I just went eight rounds with Mike Tyson (except I did still have both ears intact).

But that was from pushing AND vomiting all through labor and delivery.

Don't ask.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:13 PM
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6. I didn't do that.
I had a c-section. But I did pop out my staples.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:14 PM
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10. Ouch!!!
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:24 PM
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22. They had me up walking about 6 hours after my daugher
was born. The nurse heard someone yelling and let go of me. I fell, hit the IV pole and popped out 4 of my staples. It hurt but I didn't know what had happened until I saw the blood. Then I looked.
Gross!
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:53 PM
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30. A friend of mine did that!
It was the result of chasing Samuel Adams Cranberry Lambick with several shots of fire & ice (50/50 mix of Rumplemints & Goldschlager). After teh puking he looked like he had been possessed by Satan with the whites of his eyes turned bright red!
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cmf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:13 PM
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5. You've been watching Shrub on TV, huh?
;-)

I hope your jaw gets better.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:14 PM
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7. Heh, no I don't really watch TV.
But I can see how that would lead to a marathon yacking session.

:puke:

Thanks.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:14 PM
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8. What caused you to dry-heave so much?
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:15 PM
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12. Still don't know, but assume it was a really bad case of
food poisoning. What I ate that night, neither my husband nor my daughter ate. And it was chicken.

26 hours of vomiting and dry heaving has put me off chicken for a LONG ass time. Not even Emetrol worked (anti-nausea meds).

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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:14 PM
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9. believe me after some serious chemo and radiation
and the antibiotics they give before surgery, and an intestinal blockage, i have some serious stories about this subject. But I am sorry that you hurt yourself bad. :( Heaving, dry or otherwise-my least fave bodily function
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:16 PM
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13. Intestinal blockage
even SOUNDS painful. I'm so sorry you went through all that.

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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 07:59 PM
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40. It's killer
On a Tuesday, I called 911. They said I was OK. I called a friend of mine and he took me to the ER later that night. They pumped me full of morphine (you should NOT have opiates on an intestinal blockage) and the fizzy 'make you go' medicine, which warns against taking by people who have intestinal blockages.

I guess they thought Joe was my BF because without asking my history, the gave me a pregnancy test. Joe is gay, and I was rendered sterile by radiation; they could have asked but didn't. I also had not had sex in a long time (pre-cancer treatment, more than 9 months) before this.

I had a big red flag for blockage (aside from classic blockage symptoms)-radiation therapy to the area and extreme gut surgery (It was 10 hours, 2 teams, and I think 200 residents, interns and med students watched) And they sent me home.

I had a doc's appt on Thursday (my GI surgeon) and all I could do was lay in bed and tell myself "27 more hours til Dr ________" "21 hours til Dr _______." etc. I finally called my brother and asked him to pick me up on his way to work. I walk into the office in my slippers (i knew I wasn't going home), bent over with pain and 3 hours before my appt and say "you have to see me now. I am really sick" "Oh miss_kitty, you're 3 hours early-just have a seat!" "No. You don't get it. I am Really REALLY sick." "Right-just have a seat. You ARE early!"

So I see his nurse after 2 minutes and announce I'm gonna vom and got seen right away. And admitted to the hospital.

I had an ng tube that was hooked up wrong (It wasn't decompressing my gut like it should have been), given dilaudid for two weeks and had the most bizarre realistic nightmares I still remember. It took them 6 days to decide to operate. :grr:

I went in on the 22nd of August and was discharged on the 6th of September. I was given the same room I had for my first op, 4 months earlier. A total of 5 weeks in that room.

but hey! I'm better! I hope you are too! :hi:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:17 PM
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14. yup i have this condition
but it is not as severe as yours. mine just pop and click and if i sleep on my jaw wrong it really sounds bad....yes ,you get a trophy
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:18 PM
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16. Thank you!!!!
Yay!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:19 PM
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18. Whooops, I just saw that another thread on puking
was locked. Bodily functions and all.

:scared:
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:21 PM
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19. That's awful
I've spent 3 days dry-heaving but all I ended up with was sore muscles (diaphragm.) You need to work on your technique!

Seriously, I hope you get better. :hug:
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:22 PM
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20. There was a point at which I
honestly thought my body was trying to reject itself via my mouth. Tears were streaming down my face, I couldn't breathe in between, and if I had the capacity to speak, I would have begged for mercy.

I think my body goes overboard on it, seriously.

I've had the sore ribcage from it before. LOL, work on my technique, no thanks!
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:41 PM
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29. You always think that you can't possibly live through another
:puke:, but you do. You just want to die.

Have another one of these. :hug:
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:24 PM
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21. And we wonder how Bush messes himself up!!!
Seriously, hope you're doing better.

Food Poisoning can be Hell. First, you think you'll die. Then, you fear you won't.

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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:31 PM
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23. A Friend Of Mine, Once Dislocated A Rib The Same Way
What happened to him and to you; that's sick to one's stomach!
The Professor
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:32 PM
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24. Dear God, dislocated a RIB???
That's got to be worse than mine. Gotta be. Who knew we could injure ourselves so badly?

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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:40 PM
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28. I Dunno!
Those jaw joints can hurt like heck. I don't think it's any worse, just pain in a different place. He's a really big guy (6'4", 265), so might have just been the leverage of his upper body. I get the mandibular pain from MS. The literature says it's just like the TMJ syndrome, which also feels like a disolocation. So, i can empathize. I don't know that a rib would hurt any more than a jaw.
The Professor
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 03:03 PM
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35. I once was coughing so badly that I actually gave birth to a wood nymph
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 03:06 PM
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36. Ouch.
Since you are male, I am curious, but I will refrain from asking from whence this wood nymph came.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 03:40 PM
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37. "Ouch" is right!
Gotta be careful with those coughing fits.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:34 PM
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25. i exploded blood vessels in my eye once- a big red spot
but it was quite a wet intense heave that did it. i still remember praying the subway door would open before i hurled on the crowd.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:35 PM
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26. probably pre-existing TMJ, inflamed by the poisonous effects of alcohol
toxicity and over extension of the joint during the resulting convulsions.. part of which was the vomiting... you could have died.

those are serious symptoms, you can aspirate stomach acids into your lungs and the acid will destroy the delicate tissues and you can die..

if you have done that more than once.. you most likely have a serious alcohol problem. No one who was in control of their drinking would drink enough to get that toxic TWICE.

but i am wasting my time because if i am right, one will continue the process for another 20 years before one will finally seek help, providing they dont kill someone driving and end up in jail. i have a friend doing 8 years and 4 others dead from drunk drivers, and i spent 30 years of my precious human life in a blackout.

the Wet Brained Alcoholic Moron we have as a president has rushed the class action law into the Federal court system where they will never be heard in order to head off the looming actions to have alcohol taxed to supply treatment and rehab for the addicts it produces.. for which presently there is effectively NO available treatment.

I used meditation to stop drinking, and the support of my Tibetan Buddhist Center, 3 meetings a week for 6 years.. and sober for 7 years now.

click on my link in the signature...>
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:58 PM
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31. Um, I had food poisoning. No alcohol was involved.
Edited on Wed Feb-23-05 03:00 PM by Bouncy Ball
Where did you get the idea I was drunk? And twice? Where are you getting this stuff?

The only other time I was that sick was also from food poisoning. Or some kind of stomach bug, whatever.


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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:36 PM
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27. Well, shit.... that's a feat!
I had some problems with TMJ years ago... not fun. But it being caused by puking... that's one for the books.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 03:01 PM
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34. Surely someone else has done that?
What a weirdo I am. LOL.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:59 PM
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32. drink some water
it keeps me from throwing up stomach acid, although it is quite painful too. A little ben-gay on the stomach helps too.
The Doctors book of home remedies also suggested Coke - if it is warm and flat, but sometimes the porcelain gods cannot be easily appeased.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 03:01 PM
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33. Oh it's over.
Ended by Friday of last week, thank goodness. But I couldn't hold down even a sip of water there for a while. Still, I did drink the water, because it was better than nothing, so I hear ya!

:hi:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 03:56 PM
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39. "I know it's over
you know it's over
we're just sailing separate oceans worlds apart
and you know it's breakin' my heart ..."

Just a little free advice, in case there is a next time. I have lots of experience riding the porcelain express, but I never know how to make it stop.
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 03:41 PM
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38. Good lord bb, you sustain a lot of injuries
Be careful out there would ya? :P
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mcar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:08 PM
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41. I have TMJ
so I know what you're going through -- but via dry heaving!!! Dang.

I once pulled a tendon (or ligament) from my ribs from coughing so hard. I had to wear a brace for a couple of weeks. It hurt like hell.

TMJ -- muscle relaxants and ibuprofen have helped me a lot. I've also now got braces (at age 46 :)) to correct my seriously screwed up bite.

Good luck to you!
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:10 PM
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42. Damn, girl, that had to suck out loud!
I'm glad you're better.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:16 PM
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43. Ow! Have you ever thrown out your back with a sneeze?
I've done that. Hurt like hell for two weeks.
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 10:27 PM
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44. probably popped hell ouf ot that joint, putting pressure on
the great big nerve bundle that runs through that joint

maxillofacial nerve, which feeds just about everything on that side of your face.


I have nasty TMJ in my right jaw,

I agree you get the Grand Champion of dry heaving trophy and
hope that bug stays on your side of 360, please
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 10:31 PM
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45. Hey BB whappened? Sometimes chicken food poisoning = salmonella
which is a bad, bad one. Hope your are better gal!

TMJ surgical type interventions can carry substantial risk. It's a very small and delicate joint in there, and if you can live with the problems, having a little less opening etc. sometimes it's best not to mess with it.
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