People who kill animals for entertainment do not read this!

[Skittles]

I think hunters are assholes.

[RebelOne]

1. I agree totally. n/t

[booksenkatz]

2. The bigger the gun or number of guns...

the smaller the weeny. We all know that.

[Occulus]

3. There's a difference between

hunting for food and hunting for sport.

Just... try to keep that in mind.

[Red_Storm]

50. hunting for sport ?

so killing a defenseless animal is a sport? .....oh, here I was thinking it was a cruel, barbaric act........silly me.......

[transeo]

69. That's their point

Hunting for sport IS cruel and senseless. Hunting to survive is soemtimes a neccessity. Not everyone has the money and access to food that we do and they hunt in order to live. Accusing them of being cruel and barbaric is rediculous.

[trotsky]

4. Just itching for some flames today, Skittles?

;-)

I don't have a problem with hunting per se, and I'm not a hunter myself. It's just that when you've got a depth finder, scented lures, a fish locator, etc. just where's the SPORT in that? Hunting should be about YOU outwitting the animal, not your technology.

Up to a real challenge? How about you strip down to your underwear, go into the woods with nothing but a rock, and bring back a buck? Now that'd be impressive.

[bearfan454]

47. Well I am on her famous IGNORE LIST.

I feel so bad.

[Renew Deal]

5. Do you include hunters that eat the animal? And game fisherman that throw

'em back?

[Skittles]

8. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT THEY DO WITH THE CORPSES

the very fact that people can ENJOY, find it ENTERTAINING to KILL ANIMALS - it is BEYOND SICKENING. :puke:

And people who TORMENT FISH for fun - hey, let's go catch live things on the end of hooks and then throw them back! :puke: FIND ANOTHER F***ING HOBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Robb]

18. Well, sorry.

Lots of folks in my county eat all winter on a single big elk. And it's the only meat they can afford, BTW.

Not so much "entertaining" as "eating". Something to consider.

[clar]

24. Just curious-

Do you eat meat? Wear leather? Because slaughter houses and factory farms are an infinitely greater contributor to animal suffering and death than hunters.

[Occulus]

34. You don't???

"If it is killed, it deserves to be eaten."

Yes, deserves. Deserves to be used wholly, not just for its pelt and toss out the rest. It deserves to have its bones made into needles or spears, its pelt deserves to be made into clothing, its meat deserves to be eaten, and the whole animal deserves to be respected, even after its death.

If it has fed me, clothed me, and helped to defend me, I am grateful to it and I hope, if it has a soul, that the animal receives a welcome reward.

[bearfan454]

37. Darn right

I respect it. It is delicious.

[HERVEPA]

23. The latter is unsupportable

Do you think the fish that is caught on a hook in its mouth and struggling to breath is not suffering greatly. And doing this just for someone's enjoyment is horrible.

Hunting for sport is disgusting. If you love the sporting aspect, go out there with the weapon unloaded, do everything you normally do, and just don't kill the animal.

Hunting for food is somewhat more supportable, since the animal suffers less usually than the animals in your packaged supermarket meat.

However, no need for any of that. You can live on a vegetarian diet just fine.


"I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals".
--Henry David Thoreau

[VermontDem2004]

26. You can hate me all you want

But I find fishing entertaining, not hunting, but I do enjoy sitting out by a lake and hoping to catch a large one. I do eat the fish, I never hunt a deer then stuff it, I think that is wrong. You hunt to eat, their is no point in killing an animal just to have their head on your wall.

[TXlib]

33. I think that's a misquote

I am quite sure Thoreau meant to say:

"I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to live off eating animals."

:evilgrin:

[northzax]

40. interesting

Thoreau=vegitarian
Thoreau=dead.

coincidence? I think not.

[foo_bar]

60. splitting roach hairs

However, no need for any of that. You can live on a vegetarian diet just fine.

At least until vegans realize how many (potentially squealing) arthropods and annelids they consume with their pesticide-free vegetation. In fact, strict vegetarians don't exist, unless they consider invertebrates a vegetable.

[leftchick]

6. agreed, only I will take it a little further...

I think hunters are fucking assholes! :)

[RebelOne]

43. I agree with that one, too.

n/t

[Blue_Chill]

7. lol great post!

:D

[CPschem]

9. ditto

One of the sickest things i've seen in a long time... on an ESPN hunting program a few weeks ago, a guy had just shot and killed a huge deer and was now standing over it with his wife and (3 or 4 year old) daughter.. all admiring the carcass. The dad says over and over again "what a BEAUTIFUL deer, what a BEAUTIFUL animal" while his young daughter is PETTING the carcass. Dude- you just KILLED the "beautiful animal." Unbelievable.

[sybylla]

63. Aw, you mean they didn't show the best part

Where the man, or woman in my case, takes a knife and slits the animal from stem to stern and disembowels it.

Please, people. I eat life, therefore I am - just like any other animal on this planet. It isn't pretty. It never will be. Whether it is vegetable or animal, it still takes a life that contributes to the ecosystem of the entire world. Our mission, as cognitive beings, is to leave the smallest print we can in whatever way WE deem appropriate for survival. Choose to be a vegan, choose to be an omnivore, choose to be a carnivore. The great thing about being human is that we recognize we have choices. It is pure arrogance to put yourself above the choices of others. You can not make that decision for others. It is pure arrogance to think you are not part of an ecosystem that depends upon you playing your role.

Now, since this is Democratic Underground, I'm trying to figure out why we are bashing anyone but conservatives here. :shrug: Considering the Dem party is a big tent and all. This seems so unproductive in so many ways, except to give Skittles a chance to vent and cough up that hairball.

[bearfan454]

74. We can all say whatever we want.

[Maine-i-acs]

10. There's a difference

Hunters don't kill animals for entertainment. My late father fed us that way.

Insult Siegfried & Roy for exploiting animals if you want.

And slam hunters that are assholes - the ones that kill animals and leave them to rot (A SLIM Minority).

Our human species evolved and grew to master the earth due to the animals that we hunted, killed and ate.

[Skittles]

13. HEY

I AM SLAMMING PEOPLE WHO FIND IT ~ENTERTAINING~ BLOWING ANIMALS AWAY. I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT THEY DO WITH THE CORPSES. THE VERY FACT SOMEONE COULD FIND IT ~ENTERTAINING~ *KILLING* - THIS IS SICKENING, PERIOD.

[CO Liberal]

15. Hunting for Food is One Thing

Not far from my home in Pueblo West, there's a place where you can pay 3 grand and shoot an elk. The owners of that place and their customeres are assholes, IMHO.

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[CO Liberal]

25. The Folks Who Shell Out 3 Grand to Kill Something....

...obviously enjoy it. Why would someone pay that much to do something they hate?

[Blue_Chill]

16. Yes you brave hunters also destroyed natures balance

by going ape shit and killing predators anywhere you found them. This is why we have so many damn near extinct species, because the more rare the more people want to shoot it.

[Ladyhawk]

78. All the hunters I have known have been poachers, too.

>And slam hunters that are assholes - the ones that kill animals and >leave them to rot (A SLIM Minority).

From my experience, hunters who hunt for food are the slim minority. I watched my brother, father and their friends poach so many times and leave the animal on the side of the road so it would look like roadkill. They killed everything from raccoons to mountain lions and left them to rot. Disgusting.

I don't think I've ever known a hunter that obeyed the law. You're not exactly going to get the ones who poach to admit it.

[nedlogg]

11. And then there's . . .

Ted Nugent!

Is there a bigger asshole on the face of this earth?

:puke:

[RebelOne]

57. Yes, Ted Nugent comes in second to Bush.

[markus]

12. I think vegetatrians are a-holes

Not really. But somebody might as well say it.

I don't hunt, and don't go for fishing. But I respect the rights of people who do it respectfully.

It's been a part of mankind since we came down from the trees, and is not going away anytime soon.

Now, are a *lot* of hunters jerks? Probably. A lot of Americans are jerks in a lot of ways.

Would you ban Native traditional and/or subsistence hunting? This is one of the primary ways these people maintain some cultural heritage, rather than all crowding into quonsets and drinking themselves to death.

Perhaps we should put native hunters, and those who share their respect for the living thing they have harvested, into rehabilitation camps to cure them of there "diseasesed" world view.

[Skittles]

14. yet another person missing the point

people who find it ENTERTAINING, A GOOD TIME. Get it??? THEY MAKE ME SICK.

[bowens43]

31. So?

[Blue_Chill]

19. If you 'enjoy' killing your an ass

Eat it, stuff it, leave it out to rot, whatever.....who cares at that point the damage has already been done.

[VermontDem2004]

17. Yes they are assholes

but not the ones who hunt for food, I also enjoy fishing for food, I know you just can't stand that. I guess Tigers are assholes for hunting for food. :shrug:

[Blue_Chill]

20. Yes tigers are assholes

Have you ever met one that wasn't?

[VermontDem2004]

22. I actually never met a Tiger

:evilgrin: :hi:

[Blue_Chill]

27. Consider yourself lucky.

They are always trying to get you to eat their nasty cereal and shouting "greeeeat" every where they go. Talk about annoying....

[Robb]

29. Yeah!

And what's with the neckerchief? Isn't that how we all knew Daphne and Fred on Scooby-Doo were "swingers"?

Danged immoral animals, tigers.

[bearfan454]

28. Who gives a darn what you think ?

You aint nobody. Your hunting viewpoints are your own opinion. And opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one. I WILL kill my 5 deer this year just like every year, oh yeah, 4 turkeys too. If you don't like it, well tough shit. It is the legal law of the land. Thank you Texas for liscensing me for 23 dollars to kill 4 turkeys and 5 deer. Any questions ? Got that ? That is how it is here in Tx by law if you like it or not...................bearfan454

Go hunters ! Kill your limit every time. Go !

[CPschem]

30. one more asshole from texas with grammar issues.

[bearfan454]

32. I will still legally kill my 5 deer. Grammar issues or not.

[Blue_Chill]

42. Have you ever wonder why you only get to kill 5?

I mean hunters are such great people why must we set limits for them?

Because you guys tend to KILL EVERYTHING if thre is no limit. Yup great repsonisible people, those hunters.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go hunt me a some fries and a coke.

[bearfan454]

45. 5 is how many that County wants killed by each hunter for that

year. With over population nature is a very cruel way to die. Starvation is bad. I feed them year round. I feed about 300 and take 5. 295 are better off from me.

[Blue_Chill]

46. Oh so the deer should that you?

lol ok buddy.

[Blue_Chill]

66. uh that should read "thank you" not "that you"

I need coffee, MORE DAMN COFFEE!

[TXlib]

36. Hey!

[WillParkinson]

51. Excuse me?

You said that Anti-Hunters didn't need to read your thread. So why do you bother sticking your nose into this thread?

I don't recall anyone saying, "Hey, Bearfan, come on over". Go back to your sick and disgusting thread and leave this one alone if you're so against it.

Oh, and for the record, I don't eat meat. I don't wear leather. I'm the best vegan that I can be. No one is perfect and I'm sure somewhere I unintentionally made mistakes but at least I try to be a good person.

[bearfan454]

53. Okay I will.

[VermontDem2004]

54. For one

bearfan didn't say Anti-Hunters are assholes unlike skittles.

[bearfan454]

56. Thanks VermontDem2004.

I'm out of here for today.

[WillParkinson]

76. And yet...

Knowing that it divides the people on DU Bearfan still insists on starting hunting threads and asking for pictures.

I'm sorry, that's best handled through E-mail.

If you want to hunt that is a choice you make. Same as if you don't want to hunt. But I don't see anti-hunters asking people to show pictures of animals they've NOT killed.

[bearfan454]

80. Sorry WillBowden

I like hunting. So do millions of other people. I wrote my last post saying anti hunters do not read this post. I am not trying to start shit here on DU. I just like hunting and am getting excited because opening day is three weeks from today in Texas. DU is for everyone I thought, not just people that liked or did not like hunting. That is why I posted it in the Lounge for non political topics. If anyone was offended I apologigize. I will still post articles in the lounge that are non political. Those are the rules.

[Skip Intro]

75. Last person I heard say that was, well, you know

and he's from Texas too...

Just an observation.

[ploppy]

35. Skittles

You made me laugh out loud! Huntin (with no g) is a big sport in my neck of the woods and I agree with you.

What is the deal with catching and releasing fish for a sport? That is sickening to me.

[Name removed]

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[bearfan454]

41. Why Thank You Skittles. I take that as a compliment coming from

you. I am honored. Thanks again.

[VermontDem2004]

48. Wow

You start a thread provoking people and then whenever someone responds basically saying 'I don't care' you put them on ignore.

[Nevernose]

49. And insults people who disagree!

(I don't hunt, BTW)

[sybylla]

65. Yea, I don't understand how this thread didn't get locked

Must be the mods are at lunch.

[bearfan454]

55. Yes that happens here sometimes. But guess what ?

I am out of here for today folks. Working midnights is catching up with my ass and I have to go in tonight and saturday night too. Later.

bearfan454

[SiouxJ]

39. I never could understand people who find killing fun

I just don't understand that mindset.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

44. How To Lose An Election

1) Identify a significant portion of the electorate who might otherwise agree with your political agenda.

2) Alienate that portion of the agenda to satisfy your need to appear holier-than-thou.

3) Repeat.

You who the real fucking assholes are? Those people in the Democratic Party who can't get it through the thick skulls that we are a coalition. And that means looking at the big picture and not offending other members of the coalition with sanctimonious drivel.

Don't like hunting? Don't hunt.
Don't like fishing? Don't fish.
Don't like winning elections? Keep it up.

[foo_bar]

58. you're assuming "those people"

are Democrats and not agent provocateurs who have every other post yanked for inciting internecine holy wars.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

59. I'd like to agree with you

But the original poster has 1,000+ posts.

[RebelOne]

52. I work for a fishing and hunting magazine

and I hate hunting and I am a vegetarian. My job requires me to read every hunting story word for word. And some of them are quite graphic, which makes me hate hunting even more. But it is a job and they are hard to come by right now. I get so angry when the hunter describes what a thrill it was to kill that big buck and how happy he is to get that huge set of antlers. Our magazines are all about trophy hunting and from what I see, that's what most hunting is all about.

[sybylla]

64. Only for under endowed men

Know several of them myself. Hunting magazines aren't the place to go if you want to understand the average hunter. Been hunting for 28 years and haven't brought home antlers yet. But I did fill my freezer with meat that came from an animal which lived free and died much more humanely than in a slaughterhouse.

[DBoon]

61. I disagree

Hunters are an under-appreciated ally for environmentalists. Both have interests in preserving habitat.

I'd rather have a few animals killed for sport than entire species rendered extinct by habitat development.

[patdem]

62. It would be the height of laziness to loll around in a boat for no reason

therefore you put a fishing pole in your hand and a line over the side and hope no pesky fish disturbs your revalry..that is why I LOVE fishing. I do not think I have ever caught a single fish that way...oh well!!!

I agree our canines are WAY to short for the hunting cabal, and our intestines too long.

[geniph]

67. I used to hunt

and fish. Don't do either anymore - watched a beautiful animal die too slowly because I'd put a bullet in it for no good reason and decided that wasn't something I needed to do anymore. I'd hunt or fish if I needed it for subsistence, but that eventuality is highly unlikely.

People who do canned hunts for entertainment are the biggest assholes. You know who I mean - the rich bastards that have someone release a panther from a cage right in front of them so they can put a bullet into it. Yuck.

I don't know, I'm pretty ambivalent over the whole thing, but I do think hunting for the sheer entertainment of killing is weird. I do have to point out that when I was doing catch-and-release fly-fishing, we took the barbs off our hooks, used artificial flies, not bait (bait gets swallowed more deeply), and in every way tried not to harm the fish. Most of the time, it was just an excuse to run up and down the river. But no one is a more ardent protector of wilderness than a catch-and-release fisherperson, because the fish don't survive in compromised streams.

[Superfly]

68. As a hunter, I don't think we'll ever be friends

me being an asshole and everything.

[Loyal]

70. Skittles,

are you a vegetarian? What is the difference between killing an animal for entertainment or killing it for food? The animal is dead either way. :shrug:

[Loyal]

71. I'm glad to know now that you don't eat meat

or wear leather products, because if you do, you are directly contributing more to animal suffering than any hunter. Most deer who are shot die very soon after, compared to the burger you're eating. That cow had to go through a lot more pain.

[Skip Intro]

72. Thanx Skittles!

Meat is murder.

And you know, I almost didn't post to this thread 'cuz I didn't want to piss anybody off here. But its how I feel, and I reach the same conclusion everytime I have this type of discussion.

Hunters - people who invade the habitat of these creatures - their home, hide in bushes and trees, bait the poor things with feed and scent and fake animal calls, and then shoot them with guns or bows and arrows. Where the hell is the sport in that anyway!

These are living, thinking, feeling creatures, and we have no right to murder them. Their flesh is not necessary to our survival. And yes, fish are included.

Thanx again, Skittles.

[hussar]

73. I'm with you on that one

Maybe they should try having some of them bullets returned in their direction, might make them think twice?

[FDRrocks]

77. Aren't they neccesary in some circumstances?

I know they aren't in ideal circumstances. Here in Pennsylvania, according to whoever the hell pay attention to this crap, the Deers are becoming overpopulated. So... if some people did shoot and eat some, wouldn't there just be more to smash into with your car and leave on the side of the road.

I don't hunt, don't eat meat or dairy, but I think there are some circumstances when hunting isn't that bad.

[Piperay]

79. I think so too..

there is really something lacking in someone who does that kind of thing. :-(