Has anybody else noticed the similarity between Christian music & the

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old song, "Oh Danny boy?" They were playing Christian music at Best Buy over the loud speaker and I found myself near tears and realized that the melody reminded me of the Irish (I believe) song, "Oh, Danny Boy." Then I listened to the words and realized that it was a Christian song and I thought what a rip-off. This is too damn close to be original.

Anybody else pick up on the style?

[Warpy]

1. Every damned bit of it is derivative

These people are not innovators. They're groupthinkers and rely on the rest of us to be creative, then they despise us for it.

Hey, I'm all for keeping them occupied with derivative crap. Just keep it in church and in the home, huh? Some of really do resent the way Christianity is rammed down our throats at all opportunities.

And no, I don't want pious TV off the air. It's called the off switch, something we don't have when it's recorded music in a public place.

[jdots]

4. what do you mean " derivative " ?

Check out " Ashcroft & Keyes " remake of the " Statler Bros" remake of " Tennesee Ernie Ford's" remake of " Pat Boone's "
remake of " Give Me That Old Time Danny Boy "

[thecorster]

5. as a Liberal and a Christian,

I'm pretty offended by that post (#1 by Warpy). Isn't our political view supposed to embrace tolerance? Can't you be tolerant of people's right to be religious? Can't you be tolerant of Christian Rock, even if you don't like it? Hell, I don't like it either, but I'm not going to disuade someone from making it. Music is a form of art, and every genre means something special to someone.

Religion-bashing isn't what our party is about. That's just as bad as discriminating against race, sex, age, etc.

[RealLifeNM]

6. No its not

Remember...if you are a person of faith you are either mentally ill, weak minded or stupid....How many times have those statements been posted on DU...So much for the big tent huh.. "we got a big tent but you can only come in if you fit our mold"

[thecorster]

7. lol

im pretty sure that was sarcasm I sensed.... I hope so at least :)

[Name removed]

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[thecorster]

11. yeah, I looked around...

I think you're right.

[RealLifeNM]

17. I disagree

If your assertion that because I question is bad then I have to wonder what your motivation is. I believe in critical thinking which requires people to be introspective. No, I'm not looking for a group hug and no I'm not looking for your approval. What I am looking for is an intelligent thoughtful discussion. If we cant defend our views amongst ourselves then how are we ever supposed to defend them when talking to those who do not agree.

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[RealLifeNM]

12. Yes it was sarcasm.

[BiggJawn]

9. Pfffft.

Then go sit over in the "Myth-Believers" end of the tent if you don't like it in the Rational end...

That "Big Tent" whine is almost like the "Straw Man".

[lonestarnot]

13. What stick did you sit on this a.m.? Are you a freep? n/t

[RealLifeNM]

19. No stick here.

Just some provocative debate...

[lonestarnot]

21. DU the place to be for provocative debate. n/t

[RealLifeNM]

24. Doesn't appear to be so

Just as soon as I say something that people on here don't like..ther is an immediate call for the Mods to ban me. Is this the place to just pat each other on the back and sing Kum Ba Ya

[lonestarnot]

26. You just need to read more. n/t

[AZCat]

27. There are arguments worth having...

and then there are ones that are not.

Most DU members come here to avoid those discussions that we have continually in the real world - we come here to find a place with similar-minded people.

[RealLifeNM]

30. Doesnt Metal sharpen Metal?

[AZCat]

31. You need to be a little more explicit

I have no idea what you mean. :shrug:

[RealLifeNM]

34. Ever read any Covey? NT

[AZCat]

35. Nope.

Again, you need to be more explicit.

[RealLifeNM]

37. Steven Covey writes

Thant when you rub two swords tobether it makes both of them sharper.

[AZCat]

38. And your point is...?

Please tie this into the discussion somehow.

[RealLifeNM]

39. Never Mind!!!

[AZCat]

42. Okay.

I don't know why you are having difficulty with this - all you have to do is explain what all this means.

I refuse to make assumptions about your point because that would be disrespectful of you and (as I have seen many times) just sends the discussion off on irrelevant tangents.

Make your point clear and nobody will misunderstand you. Stick to vague pronouncements and either you will be ignored or the worst will be assumed and people will excoriate you.

[ProfessorGAC]

89. Steven Covey Is Wrong

Two swords of the same metal cannot sharpen one another. There is nothing to remove the less honed edge particles. So, it's a stupid analogy by an overrated social psychologist.
The Professor

[bmbmd]

81. Iron sharpens iron

so is a man sharpened by his friends. (proverbs 27:17) My son is a contemporary Christian musician/recording artist-he is the best person I know.
And, darn talented.

[blondeatlast]

53. Self delete. I'm a bad, bad, blonde and I've slapped my hand. nt

[thecorster]

64. i kinda wanna see it....

;-)

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

33. Wow! You got the memo! See you at the super secret LiberalFest!

[annabanana]

59. giggle...............................

Shh-h-h-h

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46. Criticism seems to be the weapon of choice these days.

And a necessary one, I might add.

Do you know that the only true requirement to be a Christian is that you accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour? Anything else can be argued and debated as to when and who decided it became a part of the ritual of practicing a religion we've come to know as Christianity.

When Christianity tried to usurp paganism, certain rituals were established; and that was centuries after Jesus Christ had died on the cross. When the King of England had a disagreement with the Catholic church's interpretation, another interpretation was born. So, now we have all kinds of Christians, and many of them on the right believe that the end justifies the means. That means, they think it's okay to be unChristianlike, in order to push forth their Christian agenda.

Liberals only lose if they sit quietly and take the bashing from these so-called Christians, without, in turn pointing out the hypocrisies of the right. I doubt you'll find any Liberal who marches into a Christian church and tries to stop the service. It's when the Christian church tries to hog up the little common ground that we have left in America on public turf, where the real fighting begins.

[MellowOne]

56. If you really want to know what "true Christianity" is

read the New Testament. It was written by men who witnessed Jesus life and miracles. There are so many twists on Christianity today, it's very difficult to grasp it's pure meaning.

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70. Really? It was written in their handwriting?

[MellowOne]

72. Well, duh!

Of course it was, they didn't have computers back then. Silly person.

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73. By all means, could you cite your source?

A link will do.

[MellowOne]

74. Don't you know sarcasm when you see it!

Comic relief.

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76. Oh. snarf, snarf. n/t.

[lonestarnot]

65. Oh shit, I was going to go to my sick bed until I saw this... we were

going to take oil cans to Church with pictures of slain Iraqi children and set them on the altar, and I am a flaming liberal leftwing nut...just didn't want to go to jail and be a headline.

Devote Jesus Fan.

[ProfessorGAC]

88. I Always Wonder About The Motives Of The Players

How many of those guys are not really Christians but see this as their last chance?

You know the pattern: Can't make it in rock; try white rap. That fails, go country. That fails, do a Harry Connick thing. If that fails, go Christian rock. It's the last chance.

I have always wondered how many "Christian" rockers were really nothing of the sort and just considered that genre as the option of last resort. It would explain the musical hackery that takes place for the vast majority of it. They didn't make it in other genres because they were horrible. Now, they've "made it" in Xtian rock, but that's because the competition pool is shallow, and being a great writer, player or singer, is not among the qualifications.
The Professor

[Carni]

92. Kathy Lee Gifford

Need I say more? lol

[hunter]

94. Ask Dennis Miller...

He would chide you for portraying the entire right as "mindless Christian hicks."

Okay, here's one vision of hell:

Dennis Miller hosts the "Tonight Show." You are tied to a chair with a device clamped to your head to hold your eyes open, like Alex in Clockwork Orange, and you are forced to watch. All the musicians are "Christian" rockers.

You know that somewhere else in hell there are people being sodomized by demons with red hot pokers. As you watch Dennis Miller and the Christian rock bands you suffer very deep and irrepressible longings for the demons with the red hot pokers, but the show never ends.

[Feathered Fish]

2. There was a point in history

that Christian music was some of the most beautiful stuff in the world. But that was in the 16th and 17th century. :)

[shrike]

18. Yeah, I was just going to post that.

Handel, Bach. Of course, writing for the church and the court was the only game in town, then.

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28. Oh, I'm with you on that one.

When you hear classical music, you wonder if we're de-evolving as a species. I don't think it's because we don't have the talent, though. I think it's because music must meet pop commercial value before it gets any radio time.

[Spider Jerusalem]

3. That tune is called "The Derry Air"...

"Danny Boy" is just one of several sets of lyrics that have been set to it.

And I dunno about similarities, since I don't really listen to "Christian" music (exceptions: 15th century madrigals and Mahalia Jackson).

[RoBear]

10. It's Londonderry Air

Made me smile because of the old (bad) pun about the English woman who tripped and fell on her London derriere. I TOLD you it was bad.

[lonestarnot]

14. This funny. n/t

[Dan-W]

57. It's "Londonderry Aire"

[RoBear]

71. I've never seen it as "Aire" and I have a master's in music

as well as twenty-some years teaching music and English. That point aside, the point wasn't the Air(e) part it was that it's Londonderry, not Derry.

[Blue Wally]

78. Spawning another song to a different tune

"Linda and Her London Derrierre"

[BiggJawn]

15. A lot of it is written in a minor key, I think...

I find personally, and I think I read something once that backed this up that music written in a minor key is perceived as "sad" music, music that instills a sense of longing or loss.

But I'm not a musicologist, nor play one on TV.....

[peacetalksforall]

16. Isn't the point here that religious music is being played in big chain

stores...if I go to an independent store and they're playing good or bad religious music, it is more understandable...I resent having Christian music (when it is also pretty bad music) playing in the big chain stores.

Well, at least we know who their target audience is.

And we know where we can shop.

[Straight Shooter]

20. Maybe they were just playing a particular CD for the moment

One would have to visit the store many times over to say with certainty that this store was feeding christian music to its customers.

As for me, I'm so tired of listening to other people's choices of music everywhere I go, at intrusive volumes. Restaurants, bookstores, the grocery store, you name it, 99 places out of 100 will have music of some sort or another playing. The worst music is what you hear when you call a business and you're put on hold, especially when it's an endless loop of a song. I didn't know I could hate Kenny G as much as I do, until Direcway put me on hold for 40 minutes :D

[peacetalksforall]

22. No, it isn't a selection of the moment...some of the stores are playing

it every time I enter - like K-Mart.

I agree with your second paragraph - I've left many stores because of the music. And when hold music is nice - it is rare - I make sure I give positive feedback.

[LeftyMom]

63. They don't play individual CD's

they have a prerecorded loop that comes from corporate headquarters for playing throughout the store.

ETA: I used to work for them. Exceptionally bad Christian music gets mixed in with the awful pop. The common denominator is that all of the music played over the PA has to be earbleedingly awful.

[thecorster]

23. wtf? christian music is still music, isn't it?

most of it praises God, doesn't promote an agenda of worshiping God. There's a difference.

my point is that ALL music should be played in a chain store. After you hear the Christian rock, you'll hear Eminem yelling about disfunctional families. Then you'll hear Green day singing about how Bush sucks. Then you'll hear Brittney Spears talking about how she gets nasty with plenty of dudes.

It's just music!

[RealLifeNM]

25. People Have the choice where to spend their Dollars nt...

[Vickers]

44. You're pro-choice?

Well dog my cats. :eyes:

[RealLifeNM]

47. My Money My Choice.

[Vickers]

49. So you would agree that if I had the money I could get an abortion?

Just as an example.

[RealLifeNM]

50. huh

What does abortion have to do with christian music?

[Vickers]

51. Nothing. You mentioned money=choice, so I was wondering

about the strength of your convictions, or is it just some lazy sound-bite shit.

[RealLifeNM]

52. It is what It is..... nt

[Vickers]

55. Yeah, I know exactly what it is.

It's the sound of two hands finding level ground in a vacuum time-warp.

[thecorster]

58. you're trying to sucker him into saying

something that you can attack him on. that's not cool

[Vickers]

61. It's a short-term diversion, I'll wager.

:eyes:

[donheld]

83. That's exactly what was going on - baiting

not cool! :spank: the guilty

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29. Well, I left without buying anything. I didn't do it deliberately, just

got very practical and realized there was nothing I really needed and I wasn't going to settle for less than something I really wanted.

[bush_is_wacko]

32. Some if it is. The goal really is to make the churches attractive to

those of us who long ago realized religion evolved for 2000 years and then STOPPED dead in it's tracks! The fact of the matter is the music doesn't change the reality that religion is a based on a fairy tale novel that is incomplete and was interpreted by people we would consider insane in this day and age.

The Catholic church has resisted this fact for 2000 years and THEY KNOW the truth. They have document upon document that disproves the "traditional" views of religion and they behave as if they don't KNOW religion was an attempt to give MEN power over WOMEN.

Women held all the answers before Christianity was born. Not that I believe women really hold all the answers, but given the lack of knowledge about where babies came from women were considered the "sacred" vessels of humanity simply because they gave birth to humans before Judaism and Christianity took that "power" away from women. that made men feel left out and powerless. We all know what men that feel "powerless" are capable of. Rapist often use that word to describe why they rape. Many rapists were victimized themselves and had their power taken away from them. They become rapists to get that power back. Pedophile priest are a symptom of the sickness within the religion they preach.

Notice the lack of women "witnesses" in the Bible? THAT was DELIBERATE!

[thecorster]

36. straight from the pages of "The Davinci Code"

way to think for yourself.

[The Backlash Cometh]

40. Actually, the concept of female equality or dominance didn't start

with the Da Vinci book. The fight of Christianity versus Paganism is age old. The explanation that Christianity co-opted the pagan holidays is age old. Nothing wrong with being on the debating side of an argument if the facts are on your side.

[thecorster]

45. point taken, but

he basically outlined every point from the novel. it just seemed to me like he was repeating that book, not the actual ideas referenced by the book.

[The Backlash Cometh]

48. Perhaps the main points, the ones which I have mentioned are

age old. But certainly not all the points. I think the one which claims that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were husband and wife was a bit titillating. That's the one that has the church's panties in a knot.

I personally want them to explain why they left the book of Thomas out of the bible. Very perplexing.

[bush_is_wacko]

66. Actually, it may be, but it's not intentional. I am and have always been

an avid reader. I haven't read the "DaVinci Code" though! In fact, I was unaware up until about 6 months ago that the Davinci code discussed these issues. I have read "Ishmael", "The Story of B" and allot of the other Daniel Quinn books, which discuss this, but I don't think they reach that specific conclusion in detail. They kind of lead the reader to figure it out for themselves. They actually discuss the power of "locking up the food" more than they do women's historical role in religion. It's been a while since I read them all so I may be forgetting something. They are without a doubt some of my all time favorite books though, just for their ability to get people thinking.

I read a great many books that discuss pagen religions and how their rituals became common practice, as well.

I ALSO have read the Bible, which is quite notabley missing witness statements from Jesus' own mother! That is pretty insane given the fact she raised the man in question. Don't assume something you don't know about please. I am a former Catholic and enjoy researching different religions for historically VALID events. The Bible actaully does contain evidence of events such as the recent tsunami. If we were living 2000 years ago THIS event would have been written about and included in the fairy tale, for sure. The punishment for a Sodom Gomorrah type existence in the form of sexual slavery and pedophilia, which is pervasive in some of the hardest hit areas. GHWB's and GWB's comments about this practice in that part of the world are not off the mark. There is a great deal of truth there. I have no doubt! The "great flood", the "parting of the red sea" and Jesus "walking on water" are all events that I believe DID occur, but with scientific research into the how, why's and when's the events can be nailed down with better accuracy than what the Bible gives.

BTW, I still have "faith." I believe in the existence of God, I just don't believe the Bible contains the most accurate assessment of the events within it's pages.

I thought the "DaVinci Code" was a fictional mystery novel involving DaVinci's passion for hiding messages in his work. I was also told something to the effect that one of those messages was that DaVinci was probably gay. I was sort of turned off to reading the book because of what I perceived as "gay bashing." I am a married heterosexual, but that crap turns me off completely! Am I mistaken?

I'm not sure I am spelling DaVinci/DaVincci correctley either. How come that name isn't recognized by spell check?

[tx_dem41]

41. Its not really limited to the Christian music genre. n/t

[KG]

43. i have noticed a similarity between xtian music and white noise.

[toddaa]

77. Try this

http://www.humboldt1.com/~blackhouse

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

86. Xtian music and country music...oh, wait there both similar to white noise

It's no wonder that xtian music would most closely resemble country music...both are the products of white, anglosaxon, lack of rhythm, uncreative CRAP.

JB

[Cleita]

60. Well, considering that a large portion of the born again

Christian fundies are what they call Scotch/Irish (my grandmother was one)it's not surprising since their music (bluegrass for instance) is derived from Celtic music.

[The White Tree]

62. Not all Christian music is derivative.

Three of may favorite bands, all of whom I've seen live in concert are Jars of Clay, Caedmons Call and Sixpence None the Richer (Sadly no longer performing together). These bands are all excellent with music that is not in the least bit preachy. Many of their religious songs are about spirituality and learning to understand ones own relationship to God. And not all their songs are about God specifically. For example, in many of Jars of Clay's songs I have to listen to over and over to tell if they are actually singing about God or themes of love in general (though in some ways these 2 themes are mutually exclusive).

As a matter of fact you may have heard songs by these "Christian" bands before and not even realized it. Both Jars of Clay and Sixpence have had songs that were used in mainstream movies (For Jars of Clay the one that immediately comes to mind is the song "Flood" used in the movie "Hard Rain"; Sixpence had several hits including the songs, "There She Goes" and "Kiss Me" which also were featured in several mainstream movies as well as chart toppers. There last album "Divine Discontent:" was excellent.

And Caedmons Call is primarily a World/folk music act that among other things is interested in Indian music.

Some Christian Bands may cover other music as well. Jars of Clay did a particularly good rendition of the Neil Young song, "Lonely People" as well as a version of "Amazing Grace".

Church hymns may be derived from other music. Several of the songs played during church services I attend sound similar to other songs but I think that is to be expected. The melody is being conscripted to support of the words, but the words are really what is important in this context. Most of these also were written long ago.

So I'd have to say that no I really don't agree with your point here.

[RevCheesehead]

82. Good post.

Martin Luther was criticized when he used "contemporary" music of his time - most notably, one which was a familiar tavern tune. To his critics, Luther replied, "why should the devil have all the good music?" (that tune, btw, was "A Mighty Fortress". The original tune was a far more syncopated rhythm, and not the dreary dirge we sing now.)

Caedmon's Call :thumbsup: :)

Pastor Ruth, a preacher AND church musician. O8)

[countingbluecars]

84. I did not know that Sixpence None the Richer

is a "Christian" band. I find it kind of funny then that "There She Goes" is used in a television commercial advertising birth control pills.

[The White Tree]

87. They were a "Christian" band nonetheless.

This is from there website describing the release of a compilation album chronicling their history (I have snipped from it for brevity).

<http://www.sixpence-ntr.com/home_content.html>

Together, this collection of songs chronicles the dedication Sixpence has shown to Briner's call for believers to "...confidently carry their faith with them into the marketplace so that our very culture feels the difference."  Time and again, from Regis to Leno, the members of Sixpence have found opportunity to speak their faith by simply answering questions about the literary reference that birthed their name.....

"It comes from a book by C. S. Lewis...called Mere Christianity," she resumed.  "A little boy asks his father if he can get a sixpence - a very small amount of English currency - to go and get a gift for his father. The father gladly accepts the gift and he's really happy with it, but he also realizes that he's not any richer for the transaction..."....

"He bought his own gift," Letterman responded.  "That's right," Nash continued. "C.S. Lewis was comparing that to his belief that God has given him, and us, the gifts that we possess, and to serve Him the way we should, we should do it humbly...realizing how we got the gifts in the first place." ....

Regarding your comment, I agree that there is a perceived irony there if one assumes that the band members are strictly conservative Christians. That they agreed to this use of their song opens the possibility that they are not. I couldn't say either way.

[aka-chmeee]

67. Other similarities noted.

I have noticed, when TV is peddling christian music CDs, a marked similarity between the audiences of the christian musicians swaying with the palms of their hands uplifted, to a field of sunflowers with their blossoms turned to the sun gently bowing in the breeze. Then I
inescapably draw the conclusion that the general level of sentience is also the same.:evilgrin:

[tolseq]

68. christian music

Christian music is just a cynical attempt to cash in on fundamentalist BS

[lynne]

69. I noticed that song . . . about 1962 -

- is this it?

http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/a/b/abovehot.htm

The author of the words was born in the late 1800's and I've sung that particular song in church for as long as I can remember. It's an "oldie but goodie".

A lot of music - especially early American, much earlier than this one - is set to old British/Irish/Scottish melodies that the immigrants knew and grew up with.

[DawgHouse]

75. That sounds just like

He Looked Beyond My Fault, lyrics by Dottie Rambo to the tune of "Londerry Aire". I didn't see this song on the cyberhymnal link. These particular lyrics were written sometime in the early 70's, I think.

[Blue Wally]

79. I also remember church hymns to this tune

Going back to the forties when I started Sunday School.

[timtom]

80. Oh, please.

The tune is "Londonderry Air" and has been repurposed many times over.

http://www.standingstones.com/dannyboy.html

<snip>
"To begin with, Danny Boy is one of over 100 songs composed to the same tune. The author was an English lawyer, Frederic Edward Weatherly (1848-1929), who was also a songwriter and radio entertainer. In 1910 he wrote the words and music for an unsuccessful song he called Danny Boy. In 1912 his sister-in-law in America sent him a tune called the Londonderry Air (or possibly something else, as discussed in Section 3), which he had never heard before."
<snip>

This is not to be confused with the pop tune that came out of the mid-60's Carnaby Street scene, "London Derriere".

[Silverhair]

85. There is Christian music in every style.

There are artists that produce Christian Rap, Christian Rock, etc.

[KittyWampus]

90. Christian Music All Sounds Like DannyBoy? What A Pantload.

:wtf:

But at least you have the pleasure of agitating against those who are religious and/or enjoy religious music.

What's next? A diatribe against GOSPEL???

Ever hear of GOSPEL?

[JHB]

91. What kind of "Christian Music"?

The type the fundies seem to go for, i.e.:

"We are scum, just puss-filled worms/
But Jesus loves us anyway/
What a guuuuuuuuuuy/
Don't you owe him"

Or the "Godspell" and "Jesus Christ Superstar"-like stuff they used to sing at "folk mass"?

There's a big difference between "This little light of mine" and the soul-sucking soma that goes about calling itself "Christian".

[mim]

93. Hymns and melodies

There's a lot of cross-pollination between secular and sacred music, esp. if the tune's in the public domain. The tune known as the Passion Chorale was taken from a secular love song, and then Paul Simon took it again for "American Tune." "What Child Is This?" was taken from "Greensleeves," a secular love song. George Harrison took the melody of "He's So Fine" for "My Sweet Lord," and ran afoul of copyright law. Hymns have been set to the tunes of "The Water Is Wide," "The Ash Grove," Beethoven's Ode to Joy, Sibelius's Finlandia, and yes, "Danny Boy." I once heard a hymn to that tune in church.

[VTMechEngr]

95. As a Christian Democrat:

I believe in evolution, equal rights for Gays and all people, taking care the poor, etc.

Frankly, I think this Christian music is "Christian Life support" for people afraid that the real world will corrupt them. They isolate themselves in little cult like groups and decry Liberalism and the like. I can honestly say that they will be dissapointed when they Meet Christ, because He's not going to share there "conservative values."


Matthew: 31-46
31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40“The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’

41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45“He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”