Zimmer/Martinez Video here

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

http://play.rbn.com/?url=mlb/open/2003/topplays/video/archive10/demand/03alcs_gm3_nyabos_tensions_rise_300.rm&proto=rtsp&rpcontextwidth=400&rpcontextheight=241&rpcontexturl=http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mediaplayer/context_2003/avcontext.jsp&rpcontextparams=c_id%3Dmlb

[trumad]

1. I love old man Zim

but he was certainly tring to take a poke at Pedro..

[berner59]

2. Couldn't Pedro just have pushed him??

And not take him by the head and throw him to the ground?? I found the whole incident disgusting and Pedro started it by all accounts for being a punk who couldn't handle the Yanks getting a few hits off him...

Bad day for baseball... Pedro deserved to lose it...

[Paragon]

3. I think Pedro just grabbed at the biggest thing he saw

Large melon there on the Zim-monster.

[berner59]

4. Not funny...

This is a 72 yr old man with 2 knee replacements and a metal plate in his head from being beaned by a pitcher once and nearly died...

[Paragon]

5. I know all that

No one's defending pitchers going headhunting. But let's say Pedro just stood there and took it - screwing up his hand, or possibly blowing out a knee or two or hitting his head...

Would be a little hypocritical of Zim then, wouldn't it?

[berner59]

6. Maybe he should have thought ...

...about that as he taunted Posada by saying I'll hit you in the head next... Pedro is bushleague through and through, he needed to put his team 1st, not his ego..

If ANY of these AL pitchers, Clemens included, had to bat, they wouldn't act this way... I'm obviously a Yanks fan but I'm also a baseball fan and this was the worst for baseball...

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

7. Pretty bad for baseball when a ranking member of a leading

team tries to injure the opponents pitcher too, don't ya think?
Especially when said manager is an "adult".

I am a Yankees fan too, but I really think Zimmer lost it. Pedro just tossed him aside, he did not even turn to look or take a cheap shot.

I would have done the same thing.

[DS1]

10. that didn't stop him from rocketing across the field

perhaps if he's so fragile, he shouldn't be charging people like an out of control bulldog, jowls flapping to boot!

[OneBlueSky]

8. Pedro's a great pitcher, but tonight he was a bush league punk . . .

throwing at Garcia's head, inciting the
Yanks by pointing to his head, and then
grabbing Zim by the head and tossing him
to the ground when he just as easily could
have taken a step back . . . in the category
of "poetic justice," though, he and the Sox
got the loss they deserved . . . two more wins
and the Yankees are back in the Series . . .
might just happen in Boston, which would REALLY
be poetic justice . . .

[AWD]

9. What I saw.....

...and I preface this by saying I can't stand Martinez and I don't give two craps about either team. No favorites here.

First, what's a 72-year-old man with two knee surgeries and a plate in his head doing in the middle of a fight? Several surgeries and 7 decades of aging should have told him to keep his ass on the bench

Second, I watched the video right now. Zimmer's hands were heading for Pedro's head, especially the left. Pedro is a punk, but Zimmer was going for his head. No question about it. Pedro grabbed him and used inertia to force Zimmer to the ground.

If Pedro was the bad guy, he'd have continued it. But he didn't take one more step in Zimmer's direction.

Pedro's usually a jackass, but Zimmer is the only one to blame here. He went for the head and got spun to the ground.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

11. Thank you. This is what I have been saying since I saw this

clip.
Zimmer was clearly the instigator of this little part of the disaster.
Martinez is an aggressive pitcher, but so are some others...ummm, hello Rocket... and I would not be suprised if Steinbrenner tries to get him for the Yanks when he is available.