Zimmer fined 5,000 dollars

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which is about 50% of a coaches salary.

Martinez was fined 50,000 which is about a days pay.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2003/news/story?id=1636592

So Yankee apologists, if Zimmer didn't do anything why did he get fined? Messing up the grass?

[kodi]

1. what about zimmer's cut man?

or anyone else in his corner?

[Renew Deal]

2. I understand why Zim got fined.

And I love the Yanks, but Pedro is a criminal. He tells guys he is going to hit them in the head? Did you know Zim was hit in the ead when he was playing and has a metal plate in is head? It is not something a punk-ass loser like Pedro should be joking about. Pedro should stay on the Red Sox. He will go down like Ted Williams minus the cryo.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

5. Pedro is a criminal? Please.

Punk-ass loser? At 31, he is on track to match Koufax's numbers.

Not to excuse Pedro for losing control of his emotions, but what about your boys Nelson and Garcia? Garcia sliding into Walker intentionally, and then joining the bullpen fracas, beating on a Fenway employee.

Now that's punk-ass behavior...

[Renew Deal]

7. Self defense is different than menacing.

Menacing is a crime. Pedro should be charged with menacing for threatening to hit someone in the head.

What happened in the bullpen was self defense. They don't have a right to defend themsleves from a local thug? Players are extra cautious around fans after the White Sox incidents.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

11. From a local thug? A special ed teacher with no history of violence?

As a Yankee fan, you know Jeff Nelson's history. Torre got rid of him because of his temper, among other things. Nelson is 6'8" and 235 lbs. The Fenway employee who they showed on this afternoon's news is 5'9". Now that is what I call a fair fight! :eyes:

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[Renew Deal]

21. Umm

I didn't call you a puke, I said your behavior was puke-like. What is Nelsons history? He is on the team with the guy you say tossed him out. Why did Nelson have to talk to this guy? Is nelson just nuts? Did he just pick someone at random and start swinging. And you should find the article that says that no one is being charged (though we should haul the educator to the pen, and I don't mean bull-pen). I know people can get a little twitchy after 85 years of losing, but don't blame the Yankees.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

23. Why don't YOU post the article that says no one is being charged?

Because I just saw on the noon news that they are filing summonses and Garcia and Nelson MAY have to appear in Roxbury District Court tomorrow.

Now, where is that latest article you mention?

:eyes:

[MaineDem]

17. Calling someone a Republican here are fighting words!

You might want to me more careful.

And why should this teacher be removed fromt he classroom? From all reports he's an excellent teacher. I think you're way off base with these statements.

And from what I've read, the Red Sox employee did not throw the first punch. Did you read the police report?

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[HuckleB]

24. Let's calm down.

What we have as evidence are partial preliminary police reports. Not much else, besides emotional battery from either side. (I'm sorry, but Nelson's size, the guy's profession, player's fear of fans etc... are not going to help us see a somewhat clearer picture.) I think we need to let this thing play itself out. We don't fully know what happened in the bullpen, period.

Shaughnessy's column may have said it best: you never know who started a bar room brawl. But, if Nelson attacked, he should be punished, Garcia along with him. If he was defending himself, that's another matter, though it's clear he and others still went too far, in that case. And let's not allow Red Sox or Yankee management off the hook here. First, employees working in the opponents bullpen should be directed to act professionally. Second, both organizations have taken stands on this matter without waiting for things to play themselves out. That's unprofessional and unbecoming of major league baseball, IMHO.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

25. Garcia rushing the bullpen is HARDLY self-defense

he had no business being there in the first place. There were plenty of guys in the bullpen who could have assisted the poor victim, Jeff Nelson. Why did Garcia feel he had to rush to his defense? Poor little Jeffie...

Let's all talk tomorrow when Garcia and Nelson are charged in local court...

[HuckleB]

28. Please stop and think about it.

If Manny is going out to the field and he sees that his pitchers are in some sort of fight with a fan in an opposing ballpark, is he just going to stand there and watch? I don't think so. He's going to defend his teammates.

And I stated that the Yankees obviously went too far, even if it was self-defense to begin with...

[CPschem]

29. you're so right, rose..

i'm sure both Garcia and Nelson are in LOTS of trouble. I bet they're SO nervous right now. Probably expecting 25 - life. Actually their defense team's strategy is to claim that the bullpen worker has always had a history of rage... that it extends to his family.

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[HuckleB]

34. Dude, chill.

This name calling routine of yours is out of hand.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

36. Hit the alert on you, pal. I like a good argument, but name-calling

is a no-no.

Buh-bye!

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[CPschem]

46. ohhh...

i'd reply with a snappy retort but i'd probably get censored, threatened, and labeled illiterate.

[SiobhanClancy]

6. If he goes down like Ted Williams..

he goes down as one of the very TOP ballplayers who ever lived,dead of old age in his 80s..could be worse. Somehow I don't think that was quite what you meant,though:)

[Renew Deal]

8. That is what I meant.

He will go down as a great player with no ring.

[Drifter]

9. Agreed ...

I believe this boils down to retaliation bean ball pitching.

I have a rule suggestion.
If a pitcher hits a player with a pitch, not only should the player advance to first base, the pitcher should be ejected from the game, and face a 25 game suspension (this would bench them for about 5 rotations).

I believe you would see a dramtic decline in the number of batters hit be a pitch, when the punishment actually affects a team.

Pitchers have unbelievable ball control and accuracy. That is what they do and what they practice. Not many people are hit by a pitch by accident.

Cheers
Drifter

[Braden]

14. the Greatest Hitter who ever lived?

why cheapshot Williams?

[Renew Deal]

15. I am not, I am actually giving Pedro a compliment.

[Braden]

44. I took it as a little backhanded,sorry

I get testy at Ted cryo jokes. His son should drawn and quartered.

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[Kathy in Cambridge]

3. I felt bad for Zimmer; I think he has always had a problem with rage

which is why he was choked up during his press conference and apologized to his family. I bet that rage has extended into his personal life as well.

[HuckleB]

18. Can we stop making assumptions without basis, please?

Zimmer has a rage problem? It extends to his family?

Why can't we keep this discussion in bounds?

[CPschem]

20. Sorry Rose...wrong diagnosis.

Zimmer has never had "a problem with rage." Actually when he was a player he was hit in the head by a pitch and nearly killed. Zim was in a coma for two weeks and was unable to speak for six weeks. So when a real hot-head like Pedro almost hits a Yankee in the head intentionally and then stupidly threatens and taunts other players with fastballs to the head, you can see why Zimmer gets emotional and justifiably angry.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

26. He coached Boston from 1976-80, and got tossed from many a game

I was there, pal. I grew up with Sox seasons tickets along the first base line.

Rage has always been a problem with Zim-ask Bill Lee, former Red Sox pitcher.

[CPschem]

31. sure i'll go call bill lee... hold on a sec.

[Drifter]

4. As I have said on a couple other threads ...

Zimmer should be banned from baseball. His behaviour as a coach is simply unexcusable. He should thank Pedro (who I can't fucking stand) for ONLY side stepping and letting him hit the turf. I believe Pedro showed great restraint in not landing a few punches as the fat man hit the dirt.

Zimmer is lucky that he didn't get the shit kicked out of him.

Cheers
Drifter

[CPschem]

22. i'd like to see Pedro throw a punch..

that 160 pound overrated piece of shit might be able to beat up a 72 year old man with a plate in his head but he'd get stomped by ANY player on the Yankees (that includes aaron boone). Bottom line is that Pedro threw like a girl that night and he's too much of a hot-head to lose a game with dignity.

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[chiburb]

10. 50% of a coach's salary?!?

Umm...
I believe Joe Torre makes about $4,000,000 as manager of the Yankees, and I've gotta believe his coaches make at least 5% of that (or more). I understand your point about the apparent injustice of it all (though I don't agree), but I don't think you need to exaggerate Zimmer's salary.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

33. Yeah because

50% would mean Zimmer gets paid 10,000 dollars a year, and I don't think that makes SENSE.

[DS1]

39. that's only because he just lost his new endorsements

VIAGRA! Get up, and stay up! The marketing types deflated that ad campaign pretty quick!

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

42. bwahaha

That is a nasty thought. :scared:

[jus_the_facts]

13. gettin' really sick of this...but since I can only see 3 posts here....

...anyway....and they all agree with the way I veiw the situation...heh! :eyes:

I applaud all the ones who're still attempting to reason with the SUX fans on this thread but they'll never admit how wrong they are about it all....I gave up the other night after the game...but see the vileness hasn't stopped....and I was called crazy for not letting go of my anger...bwahahahahahaha!!! :crazy:

[Fight_n_back]

30. Major League Baseball thinks Zimmer was wrong

so take it up with them.

Supporting Roger Clemens is supporting terrorism!

[DS1]

41. oh yeah? OH YEAH!!!!

Well, I'm bringing 2 miles of copper wire and 46 car batteries to tonight's game, and I'm going to wrap the wire around the seats and make a giant electro-magnetic field, which will lure Zimmer to dead-center field where my manly and noble Red Sox will pummel him like a Pinata!!

HAH! HAHA H! HAHHAHAH HA AHH HAAHHA!

:nuke:

[BigMcLargehuge]

45. again, I am forced to lock a baseball thread

please people. I realize that some of you are avid sports fans, but this trend of continued PAs over the baseball playoffs is careening towards banning offending posters.

Don't make us do it.

I am locking this thread.

Big McLargehuge
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