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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 09:16 AM
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Cubs In 7: The View From The Bandwagon.
Edited on Wed Oct-15-03 09:27 AM by Plaid Adder
All right, I'm going to start out by admitting that I am not a bona fide 'Cubs fan.' Apparently in order to be a 'Cubs fan' you have to have to start when you are very young, preferably in a year when the team is in last place. That is not my story. I only moved to the Chicago area 5 years ago, and since then have always been more or less aware of the Cubs and wishing them well, especially since that time they put a gigantic mural of Sammy Sosa up on that big blank brick wall you can see when you go in on the Dan Ryan, and it caused gaper delays every morning because people were slowing down to marvel at it.

However, I didn't really start following the team until I finally got the chance to see a game. Liza's firm rents out a skybox once or twice in a season so they can invite clients out to watch the game and schmooze. (Just so you won't hate us already, I should point out she works for a very small union-side labor law firm and these clients are all union reps or officers.) I usually don't get to go, but this year a lot of the partners couldn't make it so I got to use one of the extra tickets. I was trying to remember the last time I had been to a baseball game, and I couldn't; my father used to take me to Yankees games when I was little, and I can still remember the names of some of the players at that point--Reggie Jackson, Sparky Lyle, Greg Nettles (or was it Craig?). I was surprised at how much I enjoyed watching the game. I'd heard people enthuse over Wrigley Field, but I'd never been inside it, and now I understand what the fuss is about. And even though this was a regular-season game played after they had the division title, and therefore it was played with their second-stringers so that the good guys could rest up for the big time--and even though they lost--I had a great time watching them, and one of the best things about it was the fan vibe. I am not by nature a sports fan; but I love theater and other kinds of performance, and the energy you get from a crowd that's really into what they're watching is the same anywhere.

So after we left, I was like, "Let's follow the playoffs," and Liza felt the same way, and so began our conversion.

Now, understand we have absolutely zero athletic ability between the two of us. What we do have is a lot of superfluous education. So Liza started reading the sports pages, and bringing them home for me, and in a couple days we had taught ourselves a fair amount about the team, the game, two-seam and four-seam fastballs, etc. So every night, faithfully, we plunked ourselves down to watch, and we were hooked very quickly. The game itself is exciting, of course, but there's also all the human drama. It's surprising how fast you pick up the players' individual personalities, strengths and weaknesses, and so on, especially listening to the WGN commentary (we turn the TV sound down and play the local radio instead, as the local radio team is much more excited and also better informed). If you had asked me to name three Cubs players two weeks ago I couldn't have done it, but now every member of their starting lineup is a beloved character in our favorite nighttime drama. Will Sammy finally break his hitting drought? Will Moises Alou's totally freakish batting stance catch on and become all the rage? Will the Atlanta Braves' "Kenny Lofton specialist" (I think his name was King) ever succeed in striking him out? Will Dusty ever swallow one of those toothpicks in a moment of excitement?

Last Saturday we were in the city and we were trying to figure out whether we should drive home or try to find a restuarant with a TV where they'd have the game on, and I said, "You know, we've become the kind of people we never understood what the hell was up with before." And it's true. Last night was the monthly meeting for our book club, and we had to go because Liza is one of the organizers. We parked outside the library and stayed in the car until the very last minute listening to the first inning on WGN. Finally, about 5 minutes before the group was due to start, Sammy got up and hit a double and Kenny Lofton scored. I said, "OK, they've scored in the first inning, we can go now," and off we went...only to discover that almost everyone in the book group had bagged the group for the Cubs. The remaining 6 of us sort of rushed through the discussion until I finally said, "You know, if we get started on the issue of right-wing hypocrisy, we're NEVER gonna get to that Cubs game," and we all basically packed it in and scattered.

We personally scattered to the home of one of Liza's fellow-associates, which we reached just in time for the bottom of the seventh. Everything was going great. The fans were almost insane with joy. Our hosts, who are REAL Cubs fans, were tasting victory already.

And then came the top of the eighth, otherwise known as the Inning That Wouldn't Die.

Now again, I reiterate: we only really started following the Cubs when they started playing Atlanta. But we're still sitting there watching Gonzales bobble that double-play ball and going, "Oh no! He NEVER does that!" And then WTF is this huge hit from Mordecai? Mordecai? Like HE's ever been a factor? What the hell is going on here?

"Stunned" would be the word for it, indeed. Eight fucking runs in one inning--with a lot of weird shit happening, like that fan interference play and the wild pitch.

Finally we decided we'd better hit the road before Wrigley Field let out; but we listened to the game all the way home, and then to the WGN postgame show, which was all about trying to generate positive energy despite this setback. Dusty seemed to be doing a great job of that himself in his post-game interview. I did my bit by trying to explain to Liza, who was very downcast, why the WGN guy was right, and the Cubs would win the seventh game.

What I said was: For every team or athlete out there, there is a sports narrative into which he, she, or they fit. Michelle Kwan, for instance. We have been following figure skating for years now, and it broke our hearts that Kwan, who we think is the best woman in singles skating, has never won an Olympic gold medal. But that is just her story: she has it all, she's beautiful when she's on, and at the top of her game nobody can touch her, but she just cannot put herself where she needs to be in an Olympic situation, and so she is just doomed all her life to be the one who *should* have had it. The Cubs have been part of their own "lovable losers" narrative for a long time now, and they are trying to change that. Well, I believe that they can; but that it will not be easy. Ever since they got that 3-1 lead over the Marlins, a lot of people have been taking the National League title for granted. Well, the Cubs story does not allow you to do that, and that's what last night proved. They beat Atlanta at the bitter end, and they will beat the Marlins at the bitter end, but it's going to be a nailbiter all the way because that's just what the Cubs are about this season: struggling and overcoming obstacles and finally, improbably but fittingly, making it in the end. You want to take victory for granted? Go root for the Yankees; that's their story. And losing tonight? Well, that would be the Red Sox's story. But we're in the Cubbieverse now, and everything I know about narrative says they're gonna win it. And with Kerry Wood pitching, it's even better. He basically dragged the team to victory in that first game against Atlanta--it's not enough he has to shut out the other team singlehanded, guys, he also has to hit the first home run?--and now we have ring composition. The perfect end would be for the rest of the team to pull themselves together, and realize, "Look, we were depending on Prior for the win in game 6, and we have learned from that debacle that the pitcher cannot do it all by himself. Now everyone is going around saying, 'Oh, Kerry Wood will save us.' My friends, we cannot let the pitchers carry all the weight! It is up to us to save us! Once more unto the breach! Do you want to live forever?' And out they will go, and win game 7--probably in 11 innings.

But even if they don't, we're going to follow them next season, and hopefully go to more games--where we will know not to get involved with any foul balls that may come our way.

Good luck tonight, everyone,

The Plaid Adder
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 09:30 AM
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1. Cubs fans are brainwashed in their youth...
It is a sick form of child abuse.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 09:31 AM
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2. Gee thanks. Losing "would be the Red Sox's story"
Edited on Wed Oct-15-03 09:32 AM by NewYorkerfromMass
Thanks for granting the monopoly on losing to the Sox. :mad:

on edit: IT'S SOX'! (plural possesive)
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 09:37 AM
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4. Hey, c'mon, I never said they had a monopoly on losing.
Just on losing in key situations...

Look, if anything was ever going to make poor Bill Buckner feel better it's Alex Gonzales's no-play last night. I'm rooting for the Sox too; I think it would be real interesting to have a Sox/Cubs matchup in the series, just to see what it does to the universe. "Oh no...one team...must...win...but...both...fated...losers!" KABOOM! Apocalypse now!

The best thing about a Cubs/Sox series would be that no matter what happened, a lot of people *somewhere* would be very happy.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 09:59 AM
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9. The Cubs have their own history of losing in key situations.
Do a Google search: Cubs 1984. And note that the Marlins current manager performed the same duties for the Padres that year.
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:04 AM
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10. Party pooper.
Different manager, different team, and I don't believe in the Billy Goat Hex either. Keep hope alive! Keep hope alive!

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:07 AM
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11. I've got hope.
But if the Cubs themselves go into this game with any doubts about their ability to win, my hope means nothing.

Go Cubs!
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:10 AM
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12. In Dusty we trusty.
Seriously. Dusty believes.

This was actually one of the big dramas of the playoffs: will we ever see Dusty get excited? Up by 12 or down by 6, the guy just keeps chewing his toothpick and doing his thing. It is true he was a little excited last night in the top of the 8th, but who can blame him. That was just friggin' WEIRD.

But, the same thing can't happen twice in two nights to the same team...right?

Incidentally, that 8th inning gave me a chance to define the term "clusterfuck" for Liza. "On DU it's usually applied to the Iraq war," I said, "but it also describes that inning pretty well."

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:26 AM
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15. Weird? No Stupid. (the fan)
while the shortstop was muffing the play he no doubt was thinking: "Thanks to that friggin fan I have to turn this play".
They should never have been there.
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RedSox02 Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 09:31 AM
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3. Good luck to the Cubbies
Hopefully Kerry Wood comes out blazing. I really wanted to see a Cubs-Red Sox World Series. How ridiculous can it get if it would get this close and not materialize. My Red Sox are in a tough spot too. How special will it be if both teams can win their respective LCS's. I guess I still gotta hold out hope.
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LoneStarLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 09:38 AM
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5. Curses in Chicago and Boston
That was one bizarre, heartbreaking inning last night. I agree, though; all superstition and witch-weighing aside, the Cubs should win tonight. Wood is outstanding and if the Cubs don't start prematurely celebrating in their minds while the game is still going on, they have every reason to expect to win Game 7.

I have the same beef with the Sox. All this curse nonsense being tossed around...BULLSHIT! The "curse" is Nomar's, Mueller's, and Millar's utter failure to bring the lumber in the postseason. Look no further than that. When three of your key hitters in a record-breaking regular season offense, including the friggin' AL batting champion (Mueller), are all looking up at the wrong side of the Mendoza Line, stick your curse...there's your problem!
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 09:44 AM
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6. As my dad always said re: cold hitters
they're due.
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LoneStarLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 09:51 AM
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7. With Burkett Going in Game 7
With Burkett on the mound, they certainly need to come around to support him. If just one of those three guys shakes off the cobwebs, and Burkett pitches on average instead of trying to pitch like some ace hurler, the Sox can do it!

I will not give up my dream of a Sox-Cubs World Series!
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metisnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 09:55 AM
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8. welcome to Chicago
It is hard to be a fan of any team in chicago at times. Welcome to Chicago!

:kick:

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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:16 AM
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13. PA, that was a beautiful post!
I always look forward to them, and this is one of your best.

As a White Sox fan, I cannot share your desires for a Cub victory. I can, however, share your (and all Cub fans) frustration.

Peace
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:23 AM
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14. Wonderful post
This brainwashed-since-youth (1977) Cubs fan thanks you.

Last night was horrible. Why can't the Cubs lose like a normal team? :-(

But tonight will be different. I hope. :-)

:shrug:

--Peter
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 11:00 AM
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16. It was pretty sweet right up to that foul ball...
I guess it is just written that for Cubs fans, even victory must involve heartbreak.

We hope,

The Plaid Adder
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 11:13 AM
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18. PMB... A question.....
As an intelligent baseball fan, do you agree with this:

Dusty is as much to blame as Gonzalez or The Fan by not bringing in Borowski when he was NEEDED? Wasn't Dusty practicing "baseball-think" by not bringing in his best reliever earlier than the 9th? Isn't it the reality that games are often won or lost at ANY point of the game (the 8th last night)?

Inquiring minds want to know if this Fan-hatred is misplaced...

(Please note that this is NOT a Cub bashing question!)
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 11:21 AM
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19. A lot of things went wrong that inning
(1) The fan interference
(2) Dusty not taking Prior out when it became obvious (to the announcers at least) that he was tiring (after Pudge's hit). Of course, no guarantee the relievers are going to do any better, so this is just after-the-fact second guessing. Prior is the Cubs' best pitcher and was throwing a great game, and I don't fault the manager for sticking with him one or two batters too long.
(3) Gonzales' error
(4) More, I'm sure..... 8 runs!!!!

The 'fan hatred' is just frustration being vented after a nightmarish loss. (God knows I vented a bit at him myself last night in the privacy of my home.) I find it incomprehensible that a fan with a field-side seat would reach over the railing at such a crucial point in such a crucial game. Sadly, he was not the only one, so such people are not as rare as I would hope.

The fan does obviously not deserve sole blame, but he does deserve a share of the blame, and his action was stupid and avoidable, so he is an easy target.

:-(

--Peter

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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 01:10 PM
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21. It's a rule with us not to second-guess Dusty.
Because really, WTF do we know?

I guess the art of changing pitchers is identifying that moment at which it will cost more to leave him in than take him out. The problem is that a lot of the time it's going to be too late, because why would you replace a guy who's still doing a great job?

The other way to look at it is, well, putting Borowski in might have slowed down the hemmhoraging, but if it wasn't going to be enough to actually win the game (since Ugueth the Unhittable was going in for the Marlins, and as it turned out we couldn't score diddly off him) it would be more prudent to give this one up for lost and save him for tonight. I dunno.

I do agree that scapegoating The Fan is unproductive and also unfair. There were a lot of people reaching for that ball. The nightmare that was that inning was created by all kinds of forces working in concert.

If I might analogize wildly for a moment, the whole Fan thing is another example of how Americans love to personalize everything. Instead of seeing this as a systemic failure (or, as I said above, 'clusterfuck') they go after the one guy who is most vulnerable (since he is not protected by the magic of Cubs-love) and try to hang it all on him.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 01:54 PM
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22. Well...
1. "Because really, WTF do we know? "
Maybe you don't know as much as Dusty, but maybe Dusty doesn't know as much as he should. There is evidence that the whole concept of having your "ace" pitch the 9th inning with a lead is just stupid. If he's your "ace" he should be brought into the game when an out is of utmost importance. Dusty had at least 2 chances to bring in Borowski in the 8th.

2. "because why would you replace a guy who's still doing a great job?"
I'm not talking about Prior, though PBN mentioned that the announcers were saying he was tiring. Farnsworth was left in to face a fastball hitting pinch hitter (Mordecai). Farnsworth only throws fastballs. He should have been replaced.

3. "since Ugueth the Unhittable was going in for the Marlins, and as it turned out we couldn't score diddly off him)"
The Cubs scored 2 runs off Uggie in game 3 (?) to tie the score and go to extra innings.

4. "it would be more prudent to give this one up for lost and save him for tonight. I dunno."
Blasphemy! You win THIS game, now! Besides, by wasting the game last night you've now screwed up your rotation for the World Series if you get there. Wood now can't pitch 'till game 3.

5. "I do agree that scapegoating The Fan is unproductive and also unfair. There were a lot of people reaching for that ball. The nightmare that was that inning was created by all kinds of forces working in concert. "
Agreed. It's a lot easier to scapegoat the fan than look at the shortstop's error or Dusty's pitching decisions.

That said, your original post was a thing of beauty! I really, really enjoy reading your contri's...












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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 11:10 AM
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17. Go Cubbies!!!
(I was a lifelong Cubs fan until we got the Rockies.)

BTW it is Graig Nettles. Terrific third sacker.
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 11:24 AM
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20. Ack. More memories of 1984
Graig Nettles was on that Padres team that beat the Cubs in 1984.

Ack!

;-)

--Peter
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