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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 10:44 PM
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Tell me why I should support Kucinich
I am a Dean supporter and I view Kucinich as the ideal candidate of the Democratic Party. However, I have had issues about his electability and so has anyone else.

But I have been thinking about something. Bush could be re-elected, but we could put so much pressure on him if we had Kucinich. If anything, Kucinich could jumpstart and shepard the next social movement of the left. We could even win the Senate or House with him in 2006 if he pushes this country even further to the left.

I am kind of torn. Anyone care to help me out? I have to get my pizza so I will be back in a little while.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 10:48 PM
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1. On electablity
You cant prove it, unless you got a magic ball. My suggestion is that you should choose Kucinich why? not only because you agree with the man on much but because youre doing whats right. We dont know if hes electable or not. I dont like being told my cause is futile so I should just give up. I tell you, if you listen to the songs of that man in your avatar, Mr. Marley you may see what I mean,
"Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
None but ourselves can free our minds."



"Have no fear for atomic energy,
'Cause none of them can stop the time."

Follow your heart.
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 11:59 PM
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4. Come on man look at his fucking poll numbers.
'Nuff said.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:17 AM
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6. fuck the polls
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 12:19 AM by JohnKleeb
Ok you think I care, you think I care about poll numbers. It dont matter. I dont give really. Yea I am sure you would give up Clark :eyes: if he wasnt doing too shamby, for some reason or another you like the guy and his ideas. Well then same with me and DK.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 10:51 PM
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2. Kucinich
Vote your concience my man. In my heart I love Kucinich. I'm supporting Dean b/c even if Kucinich won, he would never be able to get his plans passed by congress.
When Dean wins, his plans for healthcare & the economy are passable.
But that doesn't answer you question, does it?

Here is a reason to vote for Kucinich: He is an honorable, honest man who cares about the working class & the Democratic process.

Enjoy your pizza.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 11:57 PM
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3. For the reason you stated- shepard the next social movement of the Left
Edited on Sun Oct-19-03 11:58 PM by Tinoire
Because for years we prayed for someone like Kucinich to come along and represent us and our ideals and show America what a real Democrat and Progressive was.

The main reason I think you should follow your heart and vote Kucinich is that Kucinich is the only one who can unite the regular Dems with the unrepresented and disillusioned Left that's been sitting out more and more elections or voting for third parties. He's also the only candidate who's issues speak to normal, little American regardless of Party and excites jobless Republican industrial workers who've lost their jobs thanks to WTO/NAFTA.

When I speak about Kucinich to unregistered people who have no intention of voting and can quickly, clearly explain to them what this man who grew up in the projects and whose family slept in a car wants to do for them, their eyes light up with hope.

Don't buy the fable that Kucinich is unelectable. With the help of the Greens who (to most of our shame) fearlessly go into the worst neighborhoods to register people, we are signing people up every day- people who the media and most candidates can't reach because theur message isn't populist enough.

Vote Kucinich for a kinder, gentler America and a kinder, gentler world.

Vote Kucinich! Make him electable!

Make him electable so we no longer have to listen to the Centrists tell us that the country is drifting right when we all know that that's not true and that it only seems that way because year after year we fall for their "electability" crap.

Vote Kucinich so we never ever again have to hear them say that a Progressive is unelectable!

Dennis Kucinich: The Time is Now!

Peace :)
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:11 AM
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5. Also because of this
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 12:12 AM by Tinoire
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=551449

The way I look at it, America stands on the edge of an abyss named "Catastrophe" right now. If we keep along the center path, we fall off, we have no choice but to turn left to avoid plunging off right now.

The Clinton times are over. Only an extraordinary man with the right compassionate foreign policy will be able to get us back into the world's good graces.

Bush didn't get us where we are without the help of his predecessors. For 8 years, our Centrist Dem Clinton starved and bombed Iraq incessantly paving the way for Bush's war- the world has not forgotten this. For years, under both the Bush Sr and Clinton administrations, we arrogantly forced genetically modified foods on other countries and pushed through catastrophic treaties such as NAFTA, GATT, WTO that have harmed millions world-wide. The world hasn't forgotten and now that Bush has made us practically a pariah nation just getting a Dem in there isn't going to do the trick. Things will never ever be as they were before. It is time for us to join the community of nations as a respectful equal because our bullying days are mostly over... I think Kucinich is the only candidate who has the wisdom, courage and grace to do that.

Peace






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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:28 AM
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7. "put so much pressure on him if we had Kucinich."
Oh but darlin' it gets better even than that.

Everyone is worrying about smear ads from the Rove machine...show me where Kucinich has dirt to be smeared with. I'll wait.;) Nothing there to be smeared with, no skeletons, no nothing that would turn voters off him.

Paint him as a radical leftist? So what as long as his platform suits the voters. Sex scandal? Non-existant. Lies? Non-existant. Daughter in trouble with the law left and right? Non-existant. Nothing there=no strategy. Are the Republicans smooth enough to come up with a new strategy at this stage? Nope.

Does Kucinich represent what you want for the country? If so, nominate him in your Primary. If he loses that, at least you'll know you voted the way you wanted it to go.
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 12:32 AM
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8. I think..
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 12:32 AM by FDRrocks
FDR worked against us, really. See, as far as I can see people are Conservative in prosperity and Liberal in poverty. The stuff FDR put in place makes sure we will never have a depression againlso expanded the executive power, apparently not imagining what others could use it for).

We could get Kucinich in if the left wing wasn't segregated (I blame it on the centrists) and it was as well-oiled as the Republican machine.

Either way, I'm vocal about Dennis and almost everyone I have spoke for likes it, and I will vote Dennis in the primaries. We can do a 180. Arguments are Environment, ending Terrorism through peace, and stopping Empire. I was trying to use old english capitilization there, just to see if I did it well :).
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Supply Side Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:17 AM
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9. Kucinich, ahead of his time.
Thats why I think he can't be elected. Maybe in his lifetime, hopefully within mine a man of his beliefs will be president. But not in 2004.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 02:41 PM
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10. didn't they say that about McGovern? I'm not getting any younger
"Maybe in his lifetime"

... we keep waiting for the 'he's ahead of his time' thing to roll around, I'll have missed it ... here we are 30 years later ... the future is here ... the time is now ... what's so futuristic about sustainable life and/or anything from the platform Kucinich is campaigning on? It's common sense and survival.

http://kucinich.us/issues/issue_10key.htm

I want the least corporate candidate of all to lead us - for me, it's Dennis

for me heathcare is a major issue ... having seen Dennis in person, I know he understands, and will address, the daily angst of us vs corporate healthcare ... and, I'm encouraged by stories like this one FWIW:

Poll: Public Supports Health Care for All


WASHINGTON - The public's growing unease with the current health care system has built support for a new approach that would mean care for all Americans and changes in laws governing prescription drugs, a poll suggests.

A sizable majority, 70 percent, said it should be legal for Americans to buy prescription drugs outside the United States, according to the ABC News-Washington Post poll. One in eight respondents said they or someone in their home has done just that. Such purchases can save money but they violate the law.

The poll released Sunday found that more than half of Americans, 54 percent, are dissatisfied with the overall quality of health care in the United States while 44 percent are satisfied. That dissatisfaction is 10 percentage points higher than in 2000 and higher than it has been in the past decade when compared with earlier surveys.

While a solid majority of people tended to be happy with their own quality of health care, the poll found "significant concern with the system more broadly," said ABC pollster Gary Langer, who directed the extensive survey.

Those concerns included worries about future costs, declining coverage and the problems of people who lack insurance

~snip~

http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=4&aid=1020122557_5307_lead_story
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