Am I a loser if I didn't like Matrix: Reloaded?

[Robb]

I mean, the first one was interesting. And a unique idea -- unless you've ever gotten high with philosophy majors.

But the second one left me flat. Beautiful stuff, and a great workout for the subwoofer, but the pacing was slow. My wife said twice "Well, this scene has gone on too long." And although it ended in a cliffhanger, I realized I hadn't developed any interest in the characters. I didn't really care what was going to happen next; I was only slightly interested.

Is it just me? :shrug:

[soleft]

1. no and no

[w13rd0]

2. no

not really...rent animatrix, it's far more interesting...

[Loonman]

3. Are you a loser normally?

If so, yes. If not, no.

[Robb]

10. LOL!

Well, it's a topic of some debate... ;)

[Loonman]

13. Heh

That's what I say when friends ask me if they are a loser for some reason, I say "well, are you a loser normally?" or "Well, I think you're a loser, but not because of this".

[Frangible]

4. Nah

I really thought the movie was weaker than the first. The first half of it drags on forever. The freeway scene is awesome, though.

[leftyandproud]

5. no, BUT...

you are a loser if you didn't think Kill Bill was awesome.

[mainegreen]

6. It sucked

The fight scenes were over the top lame. The one where where all the smiths attack him? They all hit him open palm. OPEN FRIGGIN PALM! Some open palm the air wildly while some did little dances to add to the busy effect. I know I know, I was supposed to watch Neo-lamo there, but for crying out loud: OPEN PALM.

Bruce Lee would role over in his grave.

All the fight scenes were that bad!

And as the movie was all fight scenes except for dance time.

Which also sucked.

[Kamika]

7. nah

i didnt think it was spectacular(omg what a long word) either, the fighting scenes were in some cases unessecery or went on too long, and just wtf was up with that rave scene.

But it wasnt "bad" either

[ixion]

8. agreed.. definitely doesn't stack up to the first movie

made the fatal mistake of focusing too much on the love element between Neo and Trinity, IMHO. Also, that whole rave scene in the cave was totally out of context. Not a horrible movie, but I was defintely let down by the sequel, and have lowered expectations for the one coming out in Nov.

[Loonman]

9. Part 2 of trilogies are always slow

First film you get the characters and the plot, so you get the who and the what and the where.

Second film you get the how.

Third film you get the why.



The freeway sequence did kick ass. Reloaded is important because you have to understand the functions of the Keymaker, the Oracle and the Architect.

[Supply Side Jesus]

19. Empire strikes Back??

Best of the trilogy!
Two Towers?? Just as good as the 1st!
Godfather 2??


Loaded just plain sucked. The machoskinesokywazy brothers take themselves WAY to serious to even try to pretend that Loaded was even slightly philosophical. I know of a philosphical tie in; If The acting sucks, the story sucks, and the pacing sucks, then the movie must suck.

[FlashHarry]

11. Too long-winded, too much product placement, too convoluted.

A bad movie. Maybe part III will redeem it.

[_Wayne_]

12. Matrix Reloaded had one bad scene, but was otherwise a brilliant movie

The dancing scene in Zion was a tad boring. The rest of the movie was a remarkable triumph. The special effects and martial arts were amazing. No previous movies compare, and the plot is a mind-bender. Very few people I know actually get it-the reality of the Matrix, the symbolism, the connections.

Many people just give up on the plot, and by then the special effects don't seem as interesting, ergo they they dislike the movie.

[Kamika]

14. my problems

Were the fighting scenes, take the fight with the 100 agent smiths.. why didnt Neo just fly away? or the fight in the french guys stairs with all those guys.. why keep fighting why not kill them at once.

The plot was what saved the movie

[youngred]

25. He was testing Smith

I think

[donotpassgo]

26. Did you even watch the scene? He never had a chance to fly away.

There was never a second for neo to do the time/space bendy thing and he left the moment he got the opportunity. As for the french guys; Neo doesn't have the ability to just kill everybody all at once.

[Kamika]

34. oh

So howcome he killed them all practicly at once, once the others were finished

[THUNDER HANDS]

35. because he's really really good

Just watch the movie....here's some candy.

:)

[Kamika]

40. i did

i saw it at the cinema, and once they were finished with whatever they were doing (the keymaker andsomeone else) neo just killed the guys

[donotpassgo]

42. not instantly...He had to fight them.

He's good but not invinceible...yet.

[Kamika]

44. OK

But admit once the keymaker got killed or something and there was no reason for the stairs scene they died pretty damn quick

[donotpassgo]

48. The keymaker got killed WAY after the staircase fight.

n/t

[THUNDER HANDS]

50. the keymaker was killed AFTER that scene

They were rescuing the keymaker from the French guy's goons.

And he beat them all easily because they were a really old program. And he had to fight them off for a while so he could have time to lay into them one at a time.

[Loonman]

15. People want Cliff's Notes explanations in movies

The Matrix series does not offer that.

[youngred]

24. I disagree

I thought it was a beautiful scene. Very artfully done.

for the rest of your assesment I'd agree, they gave up on the overly complex plot because there wasn't the conclusion revolutions will bring. When they don't get it they tune out. which is unfortunate

[ixion]

37. I didn't give up on the plot

that's not what bothered me about it... as I said, I think the Zion rave scene was out of context, and it focused too much on the relationship between Neo and Trinity, other than that, I really thought it was a fine film... that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

[NightTrain]

16. I didn't even see it.

So if you're a loser, then I'm a bigger one!

[The_Gopher]

17. you're only a loser if you make more than 2 matrix references in a week

or the same one several times.

[thebigidea]

18. horrible sequel to a horrible movie

blegh, color me technicolor shades of unimpressed.

when will Hollywood do a decent Phil Dick adaptation? why won't they hand me a bag of monopoly money and a monocle so i could get started?

[Speck Tater]

20. If there is no spoon...

... you'd better not order the soup.

I thought the chase and fight scenes were too long-winded. Other than that I thought it was entertaining. At a deeper level there's some heavy philosophical stuff hidden at varying levels. You might penetrate the philosophy at one level and think you grok it, only to discover there's another, next-level thing going on.

The film is like ogres and onions, it has layers. I would estimate around 8 layers, but that's probably because I haven't grasped the remaining 17 levels beyond that.

[Supply Side Jesus]

21. Whats with all the pretentious crap???

"oh you just don't GET IT"
"Sorry no abridge edition for you little folk."

Spare me the elitist bullshit.
The plot is a second rate sci-fi story. Computers/AI rise up and control humanity.....ooooh THATS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE!!
There is SOO many logical gaps in the whole story.
If the machines need the bioelectricity to power there infrastructure, why not just keep each person plugged into there own unit, instead of having them all connected together and creating the possibility of a ONE emerging to try to free the humanity from bondage, WHICH APPAERENTLY ALREADY HAPPEND BEFORE!!! Instead of the ridicules notion of bioelectricity, why didn't the machines just use fission? It's not like they have to worry about radiation. I know I know, and then there wouldn’t be a story.
Why did the machines send an army of squiggly little tunnelers to take out Zion (Zion, pahleez!)? How about a single low yield nuke?? I think that could do the job efficiently, I know, and then there wouldn't be a story.
And how in the hell do they plug into the matrix?? Do they have wireless coverage in the deep caves of Carlsbad or what?! I don't know about you, but I can’t get cell reception in a friggin parking garage!

No doubt I can go on for awhile but I rather not.
The matrix thing is a 3rd rate messiah story, with 1st rate (at times) Special effects, 3rd rate directors with a 1st rate marketing machine.
If I want symbolism, I'll watch Ingmar Bergman.

[Loonman]

28. Casablanca is overrated anyway

Shocked Am I, shocked!

[Robb]

29. I don't disagree, exactly...

...But I hesitate to go into that kind of detail breaking down suspension of disbelief problems.

I had a roommate who would chide me for doing this. Usually happened when I made a physics comment during Star Trek. He'd glare, and huffily say "Yeah, and right here is where the Smurfs Movie gets totally unrealistic." :)

[donotpassgo]

30. ANSWERS (pretty easy ones) Don't nukes emit Electro Magentic Pulses?

A low grade nuke would shut down the machines that launched them. That's why the ships the humans use have weapons that use, you got it, EMP'S. It shuts the ships down as well, that's why they can only be used once.

Second, each person is plugged into their own unit, but they all go into one source. Anything with batteries has wiring that eventually lead to the same place.

Third, the ONE is an inevitable anomaly. The architect created the Matrix as a fallible human. He knows he can't stop it, just control it (door to the right or door to the left).

And last, If you actually watched the movies, the human crews don't transmit wirelessly into the Matrix. They tap into the Matrix. That's why the agents always find them...becuase they figure out where they tap in.

Oh yeah: You say "Spare me the elitist bullshit." and you waste your time trying to poke holes in low brow sci-fi...and then you mention INGMAR BERGMAN????

[Supply Side Jesus]

41. lol

glad you caught the bergman joke. lmao

The whole tapping into a random line to get into the matrix undetected is a real stretch.
Sending a nuke in under remote guidance shouldnt be a problem for machines. Or a "dirty bomb" or neutrino device...something.
I hate to poke holes in sci-fi since it is my favorite genre, BUT when the film takes a route that is ridiculas, i just can't hang.
While seeing all the silly symoblism and philsophical undertones, I find it contrived.
edit: spelling

[donotpassgo]

47. Stuff expodes in airless space in Star wars.

It's also filled with silly symbolism and philisophical undertones. So is Star Trek and just about most sci-fi.

And to rebutt...They can't send a nuke into Zion, becuase they were never able to find it. Also, killing 250,000 power sources is not their intention.

[frylock]

32. spot on!!

I just don't understand the hype. I've tried watching the original twice. Plot had more holes than swiss cheese.. but, I know.. it's only a movie!

[Zolok]

22. Nope I didn't like it either

I think I'd rather sit through an autopsy before I'd watch Keanu Reeves pretend to be grown-up again.

Boring pretentious movie....everyone thinks in grand epic trilogies now thanks to George Lucas.

[vi5]

23. No....I fell asleep....

I liked the first one quite a bit, and to be honest the preview for the third looks really good. But this one put me to sleep.

[THUNDER HANDS]

27. I thought it was Damn good

But you have to see all three of the movies to really "get" it.

I'm including the Animatrix as the second film (or part 1.5) which really explains the back, back story (which, for some reason reminded me a lot of the Jewish situation with Palestine).

I guess it's no coincidence that the robot's home place was called Zi-1 (or Zion).

But all three films are worthwile. The Matrix franchise is definately something good, if you like sci-fi stuff. And I think Keanu Reeves found his perfect role.

Two thumbs up from me.

[Khephra]

31. yes

But I still love you.

:-)

[populistmom]

33. I didn't like it very much

It seemed to be more about showing off the special effects than the story.

[Loonman]

36. Damn purists

I guess enjoying a whiz-bang sci-fi flick isn't enough for some nose-in-the-air folks.


Go read some Jane Austen and leave the movies to us.

[xultar]

38. No cuz it sux

It was dumb. That fight scene was sooooo stupid I actually burst into laughter in the theater.

That car chase---WAY to typical. They were pandering to the lowest of the low with a car chase.

The first film spoke to my heart because I have always thought that there was a Matrix. That this wasn't real somehow.

Reloaded...typical action flix Though I dug that french chicks rubber dress. I have some rubber outfits...but that's for another post....

[TXlib]

39. Yes.

[qwertyMike]

43. No

But didn't you just enjoy watching that dude Keanu EEEEEEEEEE-MOTE?

Boy that guy can't act.

[underpants]

45. Let's face facts here okay Robb?

You may have already been a loser and it didn't matter.

See, now don't you feel better?

:bounce:

[Loonman]

46. Reeves doesn't have to act

Just stand in front of special effects.

I think they only cast him for the women.

[dwckabal]

nope N/T

[hooligan]

49. Not just you

I had exactly the same reaction. I was bored out of my skull during most scenes. The visual effects were indeed remarkable, but that is all I can say for it. I agree with you about the "cliffhanger" as well (more like a curbhanger). I seriously don't care if I ever find out what happens next. Compare that to the best cliffhanger ever in "The Empire Strikes Back." As a kid, I thought I was going to lose my mind at the end of that movie. "Is Darth Vader really Luke's father? Han Solo is frozen in carbonite? I can't wait two years to find out what will happen next!! Aaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!"