Some Definitions to Aid Our New DUers

[Kathy in Cambridge]

From Webster's Dictionary:

1) Fact: a piece of information presented as having objective reality
Example: in fact : in truth

2) Opinion: a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter

[LuLu550]

1. can you post that on

Fox News, too?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. Heck...mail it to some long established ones as well

[Kathy in Cambridge]

3. I know a few on the abortion threads who could use

a reintroduction to those definitions. But this was for one of our newbies!

[kertnom]

4. Exactly

Fact: Heavy Metal is noise

Opinion: Heavy Metal is music

another example
Fact: An apple is red

Opinion: An apple is orange

Are we clear now? I am well aware what the definitions are.

[VelmaD]

5. Yes, but apparently...

you are incapable of comprehending what they mean.

Just because you don't like something doesn't make your OPINION on the matter the truth.

[kertnom]

7. What if I say an apple is red, is that an opinion?

I am saying Heavy Metal is noise which is a fact.

[VelmaD]

9. Some apples are green

:P

And you're still stating your opinion about heavy metal.

Unless you believe all sound is noise (which could be argued as a fact - and wouldn't that be a fun thread) then stating that heavy metal is noise and not music (which you have done repeatedly today) is stating an opinion.

[Name removed]

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[VelmaD]

11. Are you sure you belong on this board?

The way you throw those stereotypes around I have to wonder.

And btw, you profess to love country music so I wouldn't go on about guys with mullets if I were you. :evilgrin:

[kertnom]

15. You show me a man who sings heavy metal and doesn't have a mullet

then I will consider what I said a stereotype.

[VelmaD]

20. Fine...

go here:
http://www.disturbed1.com/html/media.html

Lead singer for Disturbed does not hav a mullet.

[kertnom]

24. Disturbed is "Punk Rock"

Not heavy metal. Plus Heavy Metal died 10 years ago, it is a wonder why this topic is even being discussed today.

[VelmaD]

26. *blink*

Just *blink*

That's the best fuckin laugh I've had all day.

Whose sockpuppet are you really? You can fessup. I won't tell anyone. ;-)

[kmla]

28. Because....

...you started the thread.

So sad to see short term memory go so quickly.

[kertnom]

31. I was not the first one to start a heavy metal thread

It was Vi5

[arcane1]

34. no, you replied to the "meatal heads check in" thread

you belong there as much as you belong.. never mind, you get it

[kertnom]

40. People blast me for my spelling

But when someone spells "meatal" no one harps all over him.

[arcane1]

42. I blasted no one's spelling or typos

take it up with the blasters and leave me out of it :eyes:

[arcane1]

25. I'm one

you have to be careful talking about mullets, froma country fan! LOL!!!

I guess for you, anything with more than 3 chords is noise...

your cluelessness is showing..

[kmla]

27. Here's two..

- Nine Inch Nails
- Anthrax.

Should we go on, stereotyper?

[kmla]

12. Me.

:eyes:

And the correct form should be "heavy metal and rap ARE two forms..."

Bad grammar. Baaaaaad grammar.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

16. As I said on the other thread, it's like arguing with a child

who doesn't know the difference between opinion and fact.

"It's noise because I say it is!" cries the six-year old

"There are WMDS because i said so!" cries Bush.

WAAAAAAH! I'm gonna take my bal and go home!

:cry:

[Kathy in Cambridge]

17. As I said on the other thread, it's like arguing with a child

who doesn't know the difference between opinion and fact.

"It's noise because I say it is!" cries the six-year old

"There are WMDS because i said so!" cries Bush.

WAAAAAAH! I'm gonna take my ball and go home!

:cry:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. Heavy Metal IS noise. That's the point of it

TO MAKE NOISE with a guitar..but some of it is very melodic noise :D

[kertnom]

18. Finally someone gets it

everyone here! nothingshocksmeanymore just admitted Heavy Metal is noise. Now I need to prove to 3,000 other members that heavy metal is noise.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

21. Duh! It's supposed to be! Ask Steve Vai!

He'll tell ya!

that's why you put your amp on overdrive..to get all the feedback when you hit the high notes and turn your volume on your guitar WAY up to get all the string screech and NOISE when playing a tune!

Is that what this is all about? :shrug:

Why didn't anyone ask me? :D

[VelmaD]

22. That's 33,000 other members

but we'll let that slide since you're new.

And while NSMA is a lovely lady, having her "admit" you're right doesn't make you right...plus she wasn't exactly agreeing with your premise, hence the smiley face.

[Rabrrrrrr]

32. Kertnom - why don't you try something here:

define "noise", without being subjective about it.

NSMA says metal is noise because that's the point of it. I don't know what she means fully by noise. I would tend to agree, if she's saying what I think she's saying - I like heavy metal, and yes, it IS noise in the sense that it is noisY, emphasis on Y.

I am assuming, based on context, that when you say it's "noise" what you really mean is "it's non-melodic, non-musical crap."

And at that point, I disagree. It IS melodic, it IS musical, if we especailly if we define music as sound organized and spread out over time. Though i'd go even further and say it is simply sound over time, whether organzied or not. The sound of factories is music. Street sounds are music. As well as symphonies, and, much as I hate to say it, rap and hiphop and salsa are actually music. TO ME those forms of music are noise, but I cannot deny that they are music.

So define noise, and be willing to admit that you should say "TO ME, heavy metal SOUNDS like noise", or maybe even "is noise".

But you cannot say that it is noise, objectively, until you let us know what the hell you mean.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

33. See my post 21..heavy metal is to music what special effects are to movies

An enhancement created by the available technology.

[Rabrrrrrr]

45. Yeah, figured that's what you meant

Heavy Metal would suck without the benefit of the noise that is ADDED to the underlying MUSIC.

And I define it thus: noise = signal degredation. To wit, all that bitchin' distortion!

[Kathy in Cambridge]

35. That's a bit over his head

See my post #17

[blondeatlast]

47. OOPSIE! 32 THOUSAND other members.

Perhaps you could PM us all?

You are gonna be fun; I've already tangled with you on another thread!

[Kathy in Cambridge]

6. I don't think you are

You are being SUBJECTIVE; and opinion is SUBJECTIVE.

Music is a bunch of notes strung together. Heavy metal is a bunch of notes strung together. FACT.

Boy are you dense!

[LuLu550]

8. I beg to differ:

Fact: an apple is red
Opinion: an apple tastes good
just plain wrong: an apple is orange

There are things that are just plain WRONG!

[LibertyorDeath]

13. Fact: Heavy Metal is noisy music just so we're clear

[LibertyorDeath]

19. Here is without a doubt the best song of 2003

http://bushflash.com/idiot.html

[kertnom]

23. We will lose 10% of the votes due to that song

I want to win in 2004 how about you?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

29. So what. That leaves 90%

[kertnom]

37. Based on the last election

34% were republicans
we will lose 10% of voters due to that song

that leaves with 56% left, we have to be flawless to pick up atleast 50% of those voters. We lost the election, we might as well concede and give Bush 4 more years.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

38. We lost the last election?

True but the supreme court probably doesn't spend much time surfing online anyway....

[kertnom]

39. We lost THIS election

Because of that song. We already had 34% guaranteed not to go to us, now we have 44% guaranteed not go to us. We have to get 51 out of 56% to win.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

41. Where are you getting that? can you supply some objective evidence?

And where do you get it is because of that song? Give me a fucking break!

[arcane1]

43. damn, that's some song!

I've never heard of it, but thousands of people CHANGED THEIR VOTE because of it?

Gonna have to check this out when I get home!

[blondeatlast]

48. Nope, we already tried that on the "Gays in Male Sports" thread.

I noticed you looking at me in the shower, BTW . . . ;)

[Rabrrrrrr]

44. Damn, that's a powerful song

I've never heard of it.

probably a good thing, since it sounds like I would have voted republicn if I'd heard it.

Hey wait - you heard it - YOU VOTED REPUBLICAN!

And where do you get this "guaranteed" crap? I don't know of anything that's "guaranteed", certainly not in the realm of politicsc and voting.

[greatauntoftriplets]

46. Please provide a link proving your hypothesis.

Thank you.

[AntiCoup2K4]

30. Apples are red??

Not always :evilgrin:

[blondeatlast]

49. Sometimes they are even vinyl!

[foo_bar]

36. .

[fishnfla]

50. Fact: if you have one you are one

which makes us all assholes

[kertnom]

51. WILL THIS SWARMY ASSHOLINESS STOP!

I MEAN DAMNIT! I HAVE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR ONE HOUR AND I HAVE BEEN CONSTANTLY GETTING INSULTS WITTY RESPONSES WITH NO SUBSTANCE AND SMART ASS REPLIES!

[fishnfla]

52. see # 50

n/t

[arcane1]

53. jeez, this is IMAX level projection!

Your first posts on DU were all about substance-free assholiness. We weren't born yesterday you know... and when we call you on it, in typical repube fashion, you accuse US of starting it all...

sigh....


what have you contributed to this site that has ANY substance?

oh, you hate Jon Stewart!

Oh, straight athletes like to beat up gay ones!

ah, you bash metal music (and not only bashed it in 2 threads, but even STARTED YOUR OWN THREAD TO BASH IT!!!)

you beat your kids so they will fear you


did I miss anything?

where's the beef?

:shrug:

[kertnom]

57. So many spins you can power a merry-go-round

I said I found Jon Stewart unfunny and responded with funny comedians.

I did not say straight guys beat up on gay guys, I said an openly gay man on a football team will likely lead to problems such as deeply religous people on a team, fact is major differences causes problems.

Also I have a beef with Howard Dean, I find him as someone who is angry and unelectable and does more harm to the democrats then good. I also felt the "victim" is a fucking liar.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

54. If you can't take the heat, pal,

don't come here and spout nonsense and expect people NOT to respond with cynicism. Do you think there's a different set of rules for yourself because you're somehow 'special'?

And, if you MAYBE added something of SUBSTANCE to the dialogue, you wouldn't be a victim to DU's sharp wits.

Now, you can take your ball and go home, or be an adult and start backing up your assertions with FACTS and not SUBJECTIVE OPINIONS.

[greatauntoftriplets]

55. Ah Rose,

You are so rational, LOL.

[Rabrrrrrr]

56. Mayhaps you might ask yourself one question:

"Why am I getting insults?"

I should posit this hypothesis: because you have earned them. And earned them very well! with your inability to listen to others (even in disagreement) and to respond honorably.

[blondeatlast]

58. You're in the LOUNGE, buddy. If you want intelligent repartee,

go to GDF.

[blondeatlast]

59. What the hell am I saying???