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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:45 PM
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SW Death Star Questions (possble spoilers)
Edited on Fri May-20-05 11:46 PM by stopbush
So, at the end of Episode III, Vader & the Emperor are looking out the window of their cruiser, watching the initial construction of the Death Star.

My question: did it take 20 years to build the Death Star? After all, Luke was just born at the end of Episode III, and the full power of the DS isn't tested until Ep IV when they destroy Alderan. How old is Luke in SW IV?

And if it took so long to build the first DS, how come the Empire has another one fully operational by the end of ROTJ?
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:48 PM
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1. 2nd was already under construction?
Or perhaps the first was a prototype. When done, they'd figured out the design, and could construct the 2nd faster?
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:01 AM
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6. That doesn't work out
When Lucas decided he was no longer ever going to make the last three of his story arc. He let various authors continue the universe with the clause that he got to look at what was being written before it was published and they followed certain guidelines where he wanted the universe to go. As the story goes whe find out that Moff Tarkin was in charge of a secret think tank where the Death Star was created and where the prototype was built which was more or less a shell which held the super laser and its control euipment. Then he went off and built the original leaving them behind to keep on building other weapons. The other Death Star was built after the first one was destroyed correcting the faults that led to the first ones demise.
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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 01:41 AM
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12. Lucas doesn't feel bound by the novelizations outside the films
While he may sanction the non-film books, he has stated that the only official storyline is what is in the films. Therefore if you go to the Databank on starwars.com there are separate sections for the films and what is called the "Expanded Universe"
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:56 AM
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19. Which is a total reversal of what he said when he originally
allowed them to be created starting in the late 80s and 90s. I think like the creator of the "X-Files" Lucas has gotten so mired in his vision that he has forgotten what he was actually doing.
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:48 PM
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2. They got better at it....
Now everytime a Sith shits theres a new Death Star!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:49 PM
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3. I thnk Luke was about 18 in IV.
But even if tt took that long to build the first Death Star, once you've built your first one, you've gotten the hang of it and it's a lot easier to build more.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:49 PM
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4. Why build just one when you can build two? eom
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:54 PM
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5. Real simple George Lucas doesn't remember what he wrote in the
original movies and he seems not to give a damn about the original anymore.
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AngryLizard Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:54 AM
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7. God Help Me for Knowing This
Luke and Leia were 20 during Ep IV. My novelization of Star Wars is 15 years old and falling apart.
Yeah, you heard me.

I actually thought that either some time had passed before that last scene, or it was just a prototype out there in the middle of nowhere. No big whoop. But I'm planning on getting the novelization to this last one (let's not get into my obsession with novelizations, okay?), so I'll let you know next week.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 01:01 AM
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8. The Death Star was first used 20 years later
to destroy Alderaan. That doesn't necessarily mean it took that long to build. We know Palpating is very patient and waits for the right opportune time to execute his plans. Maybe they had design issues with th primary weapon and went through other contractors to get it completion and went offline for a while.

The Galactic Empire already had the design plans when it was destroyed in EPIV so it took them only 4 years to get as far as they did on Death Star 2.0
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 01:07 AM
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9. But in the ROTJ its larger and the design problems in the first one has
been fixed. So its not the same design. Basically Lucas screwed up again. He seriously needed to hire someone to remind him of what he had done before.
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 01:10 AM
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10. Its long construction, whatever the case, lends more power to IV
Now we see that the Death Star was absolutely integral to the framework of the Empire; and how great the blow was that Luke and co. delivered.

Hell, just seeing Tarkin again merited said scene's inclusion.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 01:32 AM
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11. Absolutely one of the best things in Ep IV
Edited on Sat May-21-05 02:10 AM by UdoKier
Here's the guy they apparently used for General Tarkin in Ep III




And the legendary Peter Cushing in Ep IV




They don't make 'em like that anymore.
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 01:59 AM
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15. How does Fett get more love from the fans than Tarkin?
The Grand Moff has Vader on the proverbial leash, orders the destruction of Alderaan, AND leaves the saga in dignified repose; Fett gets about four lines and is wasted in a manner befitting Larry, Curly, and Moe.

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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:11 AM
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17. It's nostalgia.
Fett doesn't speak, he's got a badass costume with gadgets. Basically the coolest thing there is in the eyes of a 9-year old.

It's not until we're a bit older that we appreciate the likes of Tarkin.
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AmyDeLune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 03:11 AM
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20. Wayne Pygram!!!
AKA "Scorpius" from Farscape. :D
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 09:25 AM
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22. I THOUGHT that's who that was.
Dang. Good Tarkin.
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 11:13 PM
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27. Wayne Pygram was Tarkin???
Now I have to see the movie again. I totally missed him the first time.
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Generic Guy Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 01:42 AM
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13. I was wondering the same thing.
Of course in Jedi the DS was only like 3/4 built.
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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 01:58 AM
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14. How do we know WHEN the death star was completed?
It could have been done years before Ep 4..Or had major problems that had to be worked out..Its just a movie, You really should relax. I loved Sith..It made me forget the other two
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:00 AM
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16. The Battle Station Workers Union Local 436 went on a long, bitter strike.
Edited on Sat May-21-05 02:00 AM by Beware the Beast Man
The negotiations lasted years. Then the Stormtroopers killed them all, and then they hired non-union. This is the Empire, after all. :P
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:18 AM
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18. Either that, or
they worked out all the kinks with the first one, and got it down to a science. They were gonna just pop those babies out. Besides, didn't the Emperor send Darth to oversee the work on the second Death Star? Didn't Darth say that they better start making it snappy or he'd have to start finding "new ways to motivate them"? (Holy shit-I know every word of all of those films. That confirms it-I am a hopeless SW geek.)
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 04:02 AM
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21. Okay the Death Star is a giant weapon that had never been created before?
Well it probably needed to be worked on for a long time because of lots of design flaws, scheduling problems, equipment shortages and were they not still dealing with a war at the time? There are lots of reasons for a weapon like the Death Star to take forever to build. BUT once they have a completed design with all the kinks worked out, it could easily be fixed. Compare it to building the first atomic bomb. It was not done over night but once they figured it out, bam! Like making cupcakes.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 04:26 PM
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23. Where have I seen this question asked before....?
Hmm...
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Guy Fawkes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 04:28 PM
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24. Death star in New Hope is the second?
and ROTJ is the third?
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 04:31 PM
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25. have to think about it
Edited on Sun May-22-05 04:37 PM by Zuni
:P
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 11:01 PM
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26. My question: did it take 20 years to build the Death Star?
My question: who cares?
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