New Star Wars Discussion - The original triology and questions

[LynneSin]

Damnit, I feel like I need one more Star Wars movie just to bridge between Sith & A New Hope. I've decided to watch the original triology this week and last night I started with the original 1977 one. And watching it gave me all these fricking questions.

1. How did Leia get involved with the Rebellian? Her adopted father knew that Leia was Darth Vadar's kid. (although Darth doesn't know at the time). But in ANH, Darth had said that all the rebellion activities led back to her(Leia), so it would be interesting to see how she got involved and at such a young age (she's about 19 in the movie)
   
2. I can't believe that Obi-wan didn't recognize C3PO and R2-D2. I mean, he never owned the droids but he acted like he'd never seen them before ever
   
3. How did Leia find out about Obi-Wan? I mean, he was hidden in some remote location - I'm assuming her adopted dad probably mentioned "If you ever get secret plans to destroy the empire and are in a real bind - make sure you go to this remote planet outside the empire and locate old Obi-Wan. Plus Leia's dad had to know her brothe was there
   
4. Speaking of accidently finding yourself in obscure out-lying systems, you'd think Darth Vadar would have been just a little curious that the rebels were flying in the Tattooine system which just happens to be his home planet. Vadar made be strong in the force but not very nostaligic or memorable for home
   
5. One thing that really clicked in ANH - Obi-Wan's number #1 focus was finding Darth Vadar and having a final dukeout with him. The force field was just a bonus for the Millinium Falcom crew. Speaking of which - how lame was that light saber battle between Darth & Obi-wan after now seeing all the amazing light saber sequences in the new Triology
   
6. My God, but Ewan MacGregor nailed it as Obi-wan. Watching Alec Guiness you basically were watching an older Ewan MacGregor who basically altared his accent & mannerisms so that he would play a younger ALec Guiness. If they ever do a remake of 'Bridge over River Kwai" then Ewan is your best bet to reprise the Alec Guiness role
   

And on a side note: Since I've bought the SW DVD set, I've never really sat through the entire movies as of yet, but before I watched ANW, I popped in ROTJ and watched the last part where Luke sees Yoda, Obi-Wan and Anakin. WHY THE FUCK DID LUCAS ALTAR THE ENDING OF JEDI AND REPLACE THE ORIGINAL OLDER ANAKIN FROM JEDI WITH HAYDEN'S ANAKIN? I mean, no disrespect to Hayden Christiansen - but that change made absolutely no sense because even though it was Hayden there as Anakin Skywalker at the end of Return of the Jedi, they still had Alec Guiness as Obi-wan. I think they should have left it with the original anakin from Jedi or, god forbid, replace Guiness with MacGregor and show both of the guys in their younger years.

[LynneSin]

1. aww....no one up for another discussion today

:cry:

[NewJeffCT]

2. OK, a few guesses

How did Leia get involved with the Rebellian? Her adopted father knew that Leia was Darth Vadar's kid. (although Darth doesn't know at the time). But in ANH, Darth had said that all the rebellion activities led back to her(Leia), so it would be interesting to see how she got involved and at such a young age (she's about 19 in the movie)
I'm guessing that Bail Organa kept the ID of her father secret in case she was ever captured. It is possible he has been training her to be a leader in the rebellion since birth, as he knew that being Vader's kid means she could be destined for greatness.

I can't believe that Obi-wan didn't recognize C3PO and R2-D2. I mean, he never owned the droids but he acted like he'd never seen them before ever

maybe he just has a great poker face and acted like he didn't know them because he didn't totally trust Luke, Han, Chewie & the gang. Heck, after going through the clone wars, he might not have trusted the droids after they had passed through other owners.

[mcar]

3. I think you explained most of them yourself

I think Leia's adoptive father was involved with the rebellion and since they were obviously rulers of Alderaan, they were involved politically as well. She is, also, her mother's child and her mother was elected queen when she was 14 so there's some natural leadership skills there.

You've got to figure that her father told her about Obi-wan so that's why she was trying to get a message to him.

I can't figure why Vader wouldn't have honed in on Tatooine earlier, but since he obviously didn't realize he had children and since his memories of that planet were so bitter, he probably didn't care.

Ewan McGregor did totally nail Obi-Wan, especially in Sith. His performance, with relation to Alec Guiness, was really remarkable.

[Deep13]

4. droid recognition

There were probably bizzillions of R2's and C3P0's out there. He had no particual reason to suppose those were the same ones.

What I want to know is in ESB, how can Luke have what seems like months of training on planet swamp with Yoda and meet up with Han, Leia and Chewy at cloud city. It seemed like the Falcon occupants were only gone a few hours.

[NYYFan]

5. I'd like to add a series of questions about Chewbacca

What happened to the Wookie Planet ? Was Chewbacca the last surviving Wookie ? How did he meet Han Solo 20 years later ?

Granted, I guess if I had read the novels, I'd know, but I didn't. Can anyone answer this ?

[DemGirl7]

25. I'll answer the Chewbacca questions...

I think the wookie planet, Kashyyk, was taken over by the Imperials,who enslaved all the wookies, and Han Solo, when he was an Imperial officer, he saved Chewy's life...which got him kicked out of the Imperial Navy, and they became friends... It's in the Han Solo Trilogy...which is part of EU...so...

[northzax]

6. I can answer your side note, I think

it seems to me that Anakin would have reverted to the last time he was in touch with the Good side of the Force, hence reverting to Hayden. THe old man Anakin only ever existed for those few minutes between being vader and dying in the shuttle bay. Obi-Wan was good to the end, so there is no need to revert.

make sense?

[DS1]

7. That was my answer

but I could be just rationalizing

[northzax]

9. gee, why would someone with a segway need to rationalise anything?

:)

[DS1]

10. Have you seen the control panel on this thing?

:D

[Beware the Beast Man]

8. My feedback:

1. Bail Organa formed the Rebel Alliance. I guess there is a deleted scene from ROTS that explains this.
2. He acted like he didn't know the droids. And yes, technically, he never owned R2.
3. Yes, Bail knew where to find the exiled Obi-Wan. After all, he was present when Yoda told him to go in hiding on Tatooine.
4. Vader basically distanced himself from his past-not to mention he has no idea Obi-Wan is alive yet alone living on Tatooine.
5. I have a friend who goes apeshit over Obi-Wan's self-sacrifice in ANH. This was his final mission: to become one with the Force so he could be Luke's spirit guide.
6. Yes, he did a great job, but I have this nauseating feeling that, in the future, Lucas is going to digitally add an older Ewan MacGregor in place of Alec Guinness.

[LynneSin]

11. Vadar knew that Obi-wan was alive

He just didn't know where he was although yes, there is a chance that Obi-wan could have died between Sith and ANH of natural causes.

But Anakin/Vadar was there lying on the ground with no appendages and burning while he watched Obi-wan walk away from him. By the time of the final battle between Anakin & Obi-wan, the slaughter of the Jedi was already done and Anakin/Vadar even commented that he was surprised to see Obi-wan survive the slaughter.

But yes, Vadar didn't know where Obi-wan was hiding. It was obvious from Phantom that Tatootine is such a remote planet that those strong in the force can't sense those living in Tatooine who are also strong in the force. I would assume the Dagobar system is that remote too.

But for a planet outside of the empire that is so remote that JEdi/Sith can't sense anyone living there who has the force - they sure as hell get enough traffic.

BTW, I love discussing this topic - I've fallen in love with all the movies all over again!

[GOPBasher]

12. I think Bail Organa basically started the Rebellion, so

his daughter probably was just inherited a huge role in it.

I think there are some questions that I'm more confused about. Lets see: "We need to hide Luke Skywalker from his father, so we'll just send him right back to his father's home planet to stay with his father's step-brother." :shrug:

By the way, I LOVED Episode III and I'm a HUGE Star Wars fan.

[LynneSin]

13. Yes, but I think they knew Tattooine was a safe place because

First - Anakin hated the place. His mother was murdered there and he obviously had really bad memories of home. Hell, if I was a Dark Sith lord and unknowingly had children (yeah, pretty tricky since I'm a woman), the best place to hide them would be my old home back in Perry County PA because I hated growing up there and I've haven't gone back there since my mother finally moved away in 1991.

Second - we knew that Tatooine was out of the reach of the empire AND that Jedi were not able to use their powers of the force to find others like them there. Because of it's remoteness, Anakin was overlooked as a potential Jedi even though he tested more powerful than any other Jedi who came into the service. I guess the Jedi have headhunters out there looking for younglings and Tatooine isn't one of the places where they go look.

Finally, I got the impression that Anakin and his half-brother Owen weren't very close. I haven't seen Clone in awhile, but I think there was some animosity between Anakin and Owen when Anakin came back to follow up on his mother. Plus, I'm sure Owen Skywalker knew when he took over the care of Luke that he shouldn't invite Anakin to any family reunions on Tatooine. In ANH - Owen even showed animosity towards Ben Kenobi.

So it's weird, but it works

[GOPBasher]

14. Yeah, that's all true. It's funny, but it works. n/t

[Mike Daniels]

22. Anakin and Owen

I don't think Anakin would have even been aware of Owen's existence up till that scene in Clones. The bug like thing from Phantom and Clones tells Anakin when he comes to visit his old home that his mother was bought by someone who later freed her and married her.

Given that only 10 years had passed between Phantom and Clones, either Owen was a big 10 year old or he was really a step-brother who was already alive when his father married Anakin's mom.

[Aristus]

15. Real quick before I go to work:

Although Alderaan was a peaceful planet, the inhabitants were really big on liberty and freedom, like the people of Naboo. Bail Organa groomed Leia to be a member of the Imperial Senate in order for her to have a cover for being a Rebel Leader.

I agree that with so many R2 and 3PO droids in the galaxy, it would be hard to assume that they were the two you had known so many years before. As distinctive as C-3PO's personality was, remember, he was a protocol droid, and probably many of them had the same personality programmed in to them. (BTW, remember the "rude" 3PO droid on Cloud City? I wonder what HIS function was?)

[melv]

16. Vader

I think Vader used only the dark side of the force, and therefore blocked out the light side and all possible information. Remember, he learns Luke is his son from the emperor in ETS. After that, he becomes more in touch with the light side of the force and is able to sense and feel Luke.

It seems as though he had purposefully blocked out all good in him, for the memories associated caused him great pain.



I also speculate that Anakin was a product of Sith planning, hidden on a remote planet so as to not be noticed by the Jedi.

[northzax]

17. well, Anakin was, if I recall, a product of immaculate conception

and the Galaxy could not be saved without the current system being torn down and the convulsions of the empire and rebellion. Very jeffersonian 'the tree of liberty" and the "blood of patriots" type thing.

[melv]

19. indeed. I was thinking of Palpatine's master

who was able to create and preserve life by altering metachlorines (sp?)

It'd be a pretty far out, but cool idea.

[LynneSin]

23. It's weird - but Anakin did ultimately fullfil the Jedi Prophecy

I mean, he did kill the Sith Lord and restore the balance to the force - it just took him 30+ years including half of them slumming as a baddie until he realized that Sidious had to die. YOu can thank Luke for that one

[LynneSin]

18. That final scene in Sith where Vadar screams "NNNOOOOOO"

critics think the scene is awkward but I think it's a very important, poignant scene that was very well done even by Christensen (who sometimes lacks in the movie).

He sees himself as Vadar the first time (Not exactly like he had any choice in the wardrobe) and the first thing he asks is if his wife/child survives and he finds out they're all 'dead'. Vadar screams and looks almost broken - but I think that scene explains what the Vadar we see in the original triology is such a heartless bastard.

BTW, I think it's Ironic that both of Anakin's kid got the short end of the stick. Hayden Christiansen is like 6'3 (Portman is about a foot shorter) and yet both Luke & Leia are pretty short.

[melv]

20. Lucas chose

Hayden because of his ability to play dark, shadowy characters (I can't remember where I read this). I think in that respect he does very well.

Also agreed, he had to lose everything to become a heartless bastard and totally disconnect himself with the light side of the force.

[melv]

21. "The Last of the Jedi"

picks up where RTS ends. It's a youth book, but I enjoyed the read. I know there's another due out soon as well.

[LynneSin]

24. Hayden does know how to roll the eyes evilly

only problem with Hayden's performance is they wanted him to do the roll along the same mannerisms of his predicessor in Phantom, Jake Lloyd. And that kid couldn't act worth a damn. If you see Hayden in "Life as a House" or "Shattered Glass" he's a talented actor. But they should have let Hayden do Anakin his way instead of trying to use the mannerisms that were started by in Phantom.

I suppose they figured that Ewan MacGregor did such an amazing job pulling off a young Alec Guiness, but it failed with Hayden