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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 03:40 PM
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Airlines to Begin Tallying Pet Casualties
Airlines to Begin Tallying Pet Casualties
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050603/ap_on_re_us/pets_on_planes
By LESLIE MILLER, Associated Press Writer 58 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Plenty of vacation guides list camps that allow dogs or rank pet-friendly hotels, but until now there's been no way to know which airlines are safest for four-legged travelers.

That's about to change. Starting June 15, airlines must report how many pets are killed, lost or injured on their flights.

The government estimates 2 million animals fly commercially every year. Many airlines allow small pets to travel in portable kennels under seats, where the owners are responsible for their safety. Larger pets travel in cargo holds, where they can be exposed to extreme heat or cold and loud noises from plane engines.

Nobody knows how many pets are killed or injured. Lisa Weisberg, spokeswoman for the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, suggested 1 percent, which would mean 20,000 animals per year. The airlines say that's far too high.

But no one disputes that accidents do happen.


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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 03:43 PM
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1. It's cruel to fly an animal unless absolutely necessary
Period.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 03:51 PM
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4. Are you kidding? I take my Chihuahua everywhere. He loves flying
of course he's in his carrier underthe seat but none the less...here he is @ my client's site in OP, KS

Onyx loves airports, hotels, offices, even going to dinner in hotels. They let him sit @ the table in the chair and steam him carrots to go in his dog food.
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 03:52 PM
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5. Okay, how about this:
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 03:53 PM by Modem Butterfly
It's cruel to fly pets in the cargo hold unless absolutely necessary.

Edited to add: Man, that is one pissed off little dog glaring at the camera. You sure he likes to fly? :)
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 03:54 PM
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7. He had just come from a Change Management Team meeting..we were all
pissed by the end.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 03:47 PM
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2. Some airlines won't carry pets in the cargo compartment in hot weather.
This is because they sometimes have to wait around on the ground and it gets too hot on the ramp or in the cargo hold before the airplane takes off. So even though they have employees who are designated to look after animals, and procedures for caring for them, and even though the crews are specifically notified if animals on board, in hot weather they just won't take pets. In any event, everyone who wants to ship a pet should check the airline's rules, and if your pet is small enough, try to get him/her in the cabin with you.
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purr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 03:49 PM
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3. When I got my Sphynx off of the breeder
they shipped her via the cabin. She wasnt in a cargo hold and came in August. Sure I paid more for this, but I felt MUCH better.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 03:53 PM
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6. There is a small pressurized cabin where they ship pets. No pets go
in the cargo hold, they aren't pressurized.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 03:59 PM
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8. Not exactly.
All aircraft cargo compartments are pressurized. The problem is that some of them are not heated, and it gets really cold at 36,000 feet. So the baggage handlers have to be sure they put the animals in the cargo compartment that is heated. For example, the Airbus A320 has two cargo compartments; the aft one is both pressurized and heated, and animals have to go in that one. The forward compartment is also pressurized, but it is not heated. The risks of shipping animals in cargo, once the plane is airborne, is that the cargo heating system will fail (which is very rare), or possibly that the animal will escape from its carrier.
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purr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:01 PM
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She had an actual SEAT on the plane is what I was trying
to say.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:01 PM
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9. I always fly my pets
Delta. Delta isn't all that great for humans in the leg room department, but they have a really good pet flying program.

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I fly one or two dogs a couple of times a year, usually for rescue, and puppies every so often.
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purr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:02 PM
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10. I just adopted a new Sphynx from a rescue organization!!
He'll be coming via a plane. I'm so excited :)
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BlackVelvetElvis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:53 PM
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17. What a cutie!
Welcome to DU gaspee.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:43 PM
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19. Kute Pup!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:06 PM
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11. Some years ago I was flying to AMS on KLM and a cat escaped
from its carrier in the passenger cabin. The flight attendants were walking up and down the aisle with saucers of milk, calling "Here, kitty, kitty." They finally caught the cat, but it took awhile.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:16 PM
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12. Our Lab flew from
his breeder to our state as an 12 week old puppy. I was really worried about it but the breeder had assured us he would be fine, that she had never had a problem. I picked him up and opened up the container and the happiest puppy came romping out. I don't know, he did not seem in any way concerned about the entire affair but she had been preparing him for it. :shrug:

I will be interested to see this report because if it is dangerous for them I will not do it again.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:26 PM
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13. There is a pet airline called Companion Air.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:28 PM
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14. Really?
I had no idea. I will look into that. BTW, next time you are in OP let us all know you are coming. Would love to drive over and go to dinner and drinks or something.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:41 PM
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18. Will do!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 08:08 PM
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20. I looked at their web site -- they aren't up and running yet.
It's not an actual airline, but an air charter service that will be offering transportation for pets with their people. They will be using Pilatus P-12 airplanes, which are 6-8 passenger single-engine turboprop planes, not big jets like the airlines use. It looks like a nifty service, though their proposed fares will be much higher than the airlines charge (as you might expect for a charter service). Check 'em out, http://www.companionair.com
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:51 PM
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15. You mean they haven't been????
That scares me. Gabby could probably fit in an under-the-seat carrier. Head room might be a little cramped, but it would be better than the cargo hold.
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Branjor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:52 PM
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16. Once, a long time ago.....
I saw a little dog running on the field at O'Hare Airport. Our taxiing plane stopped for him. Airport employees were in hot pursuit. I don't know if they managed to catch him. This was in the early 80s.
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