Why I think there's no such thing as God.

[SoCalifer]

First I hope I do not offend anybody, if I do please accept my apologies, it's not my intent to offend anybody. I only mean to try and educate. I know a lot of people will shake their heads at this. But its how I see it, and I can take criticism... Believe me, I am use to it.. :)

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The reason(S) why I am sure there's no such thing as a God is because:

If there were a God and if he was the jealous God which is proclaimed, it makes absolutely no sense at all that it wouldn't make some kind of show of its being from time to time.

If this (alleged) God demanded, in order to ascend to heaven when you die, that you submit your soul, your loyalty to him and obey all his laws or else he'll damn you to torture and misery for eternity in a place called Hell. Then it makes absolutely no sense that this alleged God wouldn't show its existence from time to time.



(Astrological)

Christians and most Pagans eventually celebrate the birthday of their god-man on DEC-25th. This is because 3-days prior to DEC-25th, the son falls just below the earth's ecliptic plane, than on DEC-25th it rises again to ascend up into the heavens.

The Zodiac: When Moses went up the mountain to receive God's commandments; what made him angry? He saw his people had fashioned an idol in the image of a calf (actually a bull with horns) and were worshipping it.

Please bare with me on this so I can explain what's going on here. Its a little bit of an astronomy lesson. It is also important to remember that during these times astronomy and astrology were both the same thing - there was no difference.

We are all aware that the earth spins about an axis, and if you have studied astronomy, you are probably also aware that the axis itself wobbles. This wobble is called the earth's precession, and it takes approximately 25800 years to make a complete rotation. This is recognized by some as 'a great year'. This great year is divided, just like a regular year, into 12 sections. These 12 sections are referred to as 'an age'. (notice how there's 12 months, 12 ages, and 12 disciples? And how the number 13 is bad luck? This will become clear.. hehe..)

Now as the earth's axis goes through this precession, 12 times during this great year it points towards a different zodiac. This is the time which is referred to as the dawning of a new age.

Now how does this fit in with Moses and the Bible? Moses was the symbol of that the new age, the age of Aries the ram. And of course there are plenty of depiction's of Moses with ram horns -and- Jewish people still today use ram horns as part of their religion. (see pictures below). And before the age of Moses (Aries the ram) was the age of Taurus the Bull. Look below at the few pics I posted of Isis and Hathor, and you'll see Bull horns atop their heads. And of course after Moses's age came the age we are still presently in, the age of Jesus or the age of Pisces the fish (oh you thought those Jesus fish symbols meant something else?... hehe.. ) - (pics below about this fish thing)




























Ok so this brings us to when will the next age be, and what will it be? Well......following religious dogma, and since our calendar is represented of the time of Jesus' crucifixion. All we have to do is divide 25800 years by 12 to see when we're due to intercept a new zodiac. And that number is 2150. So in approximately the year 2150 we will be in the age of Aquarius (Hey!! just like that song...."this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius".... hehe..).

And the zodiac symbol of this new age is a 'man bearing a pitcher of water'. Does the Bible corroborate this? Yes it does. In Mark 14: verses 12 through 14 is one example I can think of. It says: (12) "And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? (13) And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him. (14) And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?"



(Plagiarism)

Another reason for my not believing in all of this, is because it is all plagiarized from one another. Here are some examples.

According to an ancient Christian tradition, Christ died on MAR-23 and resurrected on MAR-25. These dates agree precisely with the death and resurrection of Attis.

Early Christians initiated converts in March and April by baptism. Mithraism initiated their new members at this time as well.

Early Christians were naked when they were baptized. After immersion, they then put on white clothing and a crown. They carried a candle and walked in a procession to a basilica. Followers of Mithra were also baptized naked, put on white clothing and a crown, and walked in a procession to the temple. However, they carried torches.

An inscription to Mithras reads: "He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made on with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation.". In John 6:53-54, Jesus is said to have repeated this theme: "...Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." (KJV).

In Attis, a bull was slaughtered while on a perforated platform. The animal's blood flowed down over an initiate who stood in a pit under the platform. The believer was then considered to have been "born again." Poor people could only afford a sheep, and so were literally washed in the blood of the lamb. This practice was interpreted symbolically by Christians.

In Egyptian pagan mythology the God Horus was the son of Osirus, born of virgin birth by his mother Isis. His step father's name was Seb, (Jo_Sebh). Isis is the God name to his mother, who's earth name was Meri, (Miriam_ aka Mary). Horus' birth was announced by angles and witnessed by shepherds, just like Jesus'. Later witnesses were three solar deities (three wise men). Herut tried to have Horus murdered while he was still an infant, just like Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.

Horus was baptized at age 30. Jesus was baptized at age 30. The Subsequent fate of the baptiser: Beheaded. The subsequent fate of Jesus' baptiser was: Beheaded.

Horus raised his father Osirus from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. It should be noted here that "Asar" was an alternate name for Osirus. He was referred to as "the Asar," as a sign of respect. Translated into Hebrew, this is "El-Asar." The Romans added the prefix "us" to indicate a male name, producing "Elasarus." Over time, the "E" was dropped and "s" became "z," producing "Lazarus."

The method of Horus' death was crucifixion. The method of Jesus' death was crucifixion. Horus in his crucifixion was accompanied by two thieves, as was Jesus' crucifixion.

There are soooooo many other examples of this stuff..


(Politics)

The way I see region is:

It was the way people of that time explained their existence, and;

It was the politics of that time; and just like ALL politics......it's all about control. And the method which politics uses to control - is fear.


Ok I think it might be time for me to - :hide:

[aden_nak]

1. Plus, the babelfish is a dead giveaway.

[Burma Jones]

2. Go, and study Joseph Campbell

And you will find that God exists, but all the masks are inventions......

[expatriot]

4. then the _word_ God is an invention, too......

It is a word that implicitly carries anthropomorphic connotations.



I have to go to work now.... bye

[expatriot]

5. The hero with a thousand masks does not prove the existence of god

it only proves a common anthropology....

[Burma Jones]

17. There's more than Hero, and God can't be proven anyway

but he makes a good case for an impersonal God....

[expatriot]

3. i don't know how the classification of the ages debunk the myth of god

other than to prove that there were astrological systems at play in the Bible but if you are saying anything more than that you are setting up another supernatural system.

Here is a simple and pretty good argument. it is of course not mine:

It is the problem of evil:

God can not be omnipotent and totally benevolent.

If he is wholly benevolent, he would not allow evil into his creation.

If you believe in the mythology of the Bible, he would not have created Lucifer because he knew that Lucifer would fall and rise up as satan.

From a philosophical stand point, he would not have created man capable of sin. But he wanted us to have free will! some say but he could have made it so there was no hunger, no pain, no disease no shortages, no suffering, etc.


IN short, If he was wholly benevolent he would end all suffering and afflictions of evil if he could. The fact that there is suffering in the world means that he is either not all powerful or not all good.

[realisticphish]

6. Interesting, but...

you've proven nothing. yeah, fine, aspects of christianity, particularly the old testament, are pulled from other mythologies. oh well. that has absolutely nothing to do with the actual existance/non existance of god

[SoCalifer]

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I know I should of explained why I feel these examples I listed (there are lots more examples) lead me to believe that there's no such thing as God. So please allow me to clarify my position on that.

When I research religion and how they've been applied. Besides noticing the large amounts of plagiarizing between them; the two common threads I get is that they use mythological interpretations of the stars to exalt godmen and their religion itself -but- they don't ever seem to tell it like it is, that their stories are just interpretations of the stars, rather instead, they say they had a dream or that an angle or godman related to them this holy information. The reason I suspect is that if they did, tell it how it is, than they wouldn't be considered anyone special or placed in high reguard with the so called holy ones.

And this brings me to the second commonality. That religion wasn't just a method to try and explain our existence, but, and more importantly, it was used as a method of control. It was the politics of its time. And as I have already submitted; the best method of control - is fear.

Now in my above post, I start and end it with why I feel there is no God and what I think religion really is. The intermediate material I posted was just evidence to challenge the credibility of what's being relayed by the Bible. Just like Galileo challenged the churches position with evidence that the earth is not the center of the universe, and just like the Greek geographer Claudius Ptolemy's maps suggested that the earth was round before Magellan's three year voyage around the world proved it. The evidence I post is just to challenge the Bible's credibility.

Certainly, yes I have not proved that God doesn't exists -but- with all the contradictions that can be found in the Bible, and the points I bring up, certainly the Bible's credibility is in question. Also, the Bible certainly doesn't prove God existence either.

So this brings up the matter of "faith". And with the Bible proving to be questionable to me, I am not able to put any faith into it.


Again PLEASE don't be offended. I know this is a sensitive subject, and my only motive is to try and state my position and relate some of things I know.


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[realisticphish]

10. o, hell

of COURSE the bible proves nothing. it just sounded like you thought you had proved the non-existance of god, when all you had done is show christianity's pagan roots, which i certainly don't deny

no hard feelings

[SoCalifer]

12. Thank you realisticphish

Of course I have no hard feelings with you..

I hope I didn't offend you. If I did, I am sorry..

:grouphug:




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[Catfight]

13. God only exist because we let God exist. I was thinking about this

last night. I have a hard time believing in this idea of a God. The interesting question is why do we need the belief so badly? It seems to be if we didn't believe in this God we'd all be accountable for each other and humanities preservation. However, because one tribe or so called, society, thinks their God is the only God, they choose to eliminate or be threatened by that God. Therefore, they feel the need to hurt, kill or maim another human in order to prove their superiority.
I don't see how anyone can be offended by an intelligent conversation. Until someone comes back from the dead to tell society that life exist thereafter, I'm counting on the fact I'll be fertilizer and secretly hope that there may be something beyond, but I really doubt it.

You have some really interesting material, thanks for sharing that.

[progressoid]

7. Ya, you better hide! Here comes the smiting!

:spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank:

[SoCalifer]

8. spanking

Does the little smiley fella getting spanked look like he's enjoying it?

Oh I know I am being bad.. :)

[progressoid]

14. Ooo, maybe you're on to something.

Maybe Christians et.al. are actually masochists and want to be smitten

[skygazer]

11. Why I think there's no god

[Ron Green]

15. I don't think this shows there's no God, it just shows how far from God

some people are.

[Lannes]

16. If there is a God

I think he has moved on to something else.Edit He/She :)

[Tsiyu]

18. Well thought out post

kicked and recommended

Some might use the old Creationist argument and claim that "they resemble each other cuz one god made em all up." Unfortunately, that doesn't jibe with history. And it makes the bible not so reliable, so we can't have that.

I give up looking for the answers...

[Ariana Celeste]

19. Awesome

I started researching different religions and the history of religion when I was around 13. I love it! There is just so much to it, and all so interesting. Thanks for sharing!!

:hi:

[SoCalifer]

20. Thank you Ariana Celeste and buddyhollysghos

I too enjoy history. There's so much to learn, and so much we still can learn from. And religion is so rich in history - especially all the stuff you weren't taught in sunday school.

:hi:




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