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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:06 PM
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Tom Cruise: "If they don't like it, f--- them, f--- off."
Tom Cruise Interview
Entertainment Weekly/June 10, 2005

http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/celebrities/celebrities77.html

Entertainment Weekly: You've been taking a lot of flak for your appearance on Oprah, for all the jumping around you did on the show. Does the criticism bother you?

Cruise: No, I don't care. I can't live my life based on what other people think about me. Who cares what other people say? There are some people who just don't like to see other people happy. They try to actively stop it. They find that sort of happiness ugly. They're in the minority, but they squawk pretty loud. They're like the bullies you grow up with in school. But you know what? If they don't like it, f--- them. If people don't like it, f--- off.

Entertainment Weekly: Your comments about antidepressants on Access Hollywood — do you think going after Brooke Shields for her book about postpartum depression might have made the argument a little too personal?

Cruise: It's not a matter of making it personal. I care about Brooke. I want to see her do well. I think she's really talented. But she's misinformed. And, you know, from that Access Hollywood interview, I've gotten over 154,000 responses from people thanking me. You should see some of the letters I get. People go for help but their lives don't get better because of these drugs. They get worse. They feel numb and they're told that's a good thing. It's becoming like Huxley's Brave New World. It's like what the English did to China with opium . How is this different? It's how you degrade a society — by drugging the piss out of it.

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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:09 PM
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1. Oh, good. Now he's telling people to "fuck off"
My miniscule amount of respect for him has dwindled into microscopic terrority now. He made a complete ass out of himself on "Oprah" and some people are commenting on it. Sounds like Tommy is a TAD defensive over this.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:10 PM
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2. It's how you degrade a society — drugging the piss out of it
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 01:11 PM by Wickerman
unlike turning out pabulum for the masses and considering yourself an artist. f--- you Tom. F--- off.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:14 PM
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5. Shakespeare turned out pabulum for the masses....
I get a kick out of people turning up their noses at Titanic/any of the Tom Cruise pictures...it's not Shakespeare, true enough. But even Shakespeare wasn't the Shakespeare of his time.

Sigh. I seem to be defending all the nutso crazy celebs lately--I even kind of agree with his comments about drugs. Kind of. I do enjoy my asthma medicine, though.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:18 PM
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10. I liked Titanic.
There. I said it.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:34 PM
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24. You are not a bad person, LOL!
I thought it was okay...but like I said, I think it's funny whenever I hear people badmouth it or similar films. Shakespeare, arguably the greatest writer of all time, gave the masses exactly what they wanted. He wasn't even the slightest bit art house.
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:42 PM
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28. Tom Cruise wasn't in Titanic...
Or maybe I'm just not reading your statement correctly?
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:44 PM
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32. I think she was saying Titanic OR any Tom Cruise movie.
Titanic is one of those movies that many folks love to say they hate, but enough people liked it that it became one of the biggest grossing movies ever.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:46 PM
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34. I know...I was just using it as an example.
I paired that with Tom Cruise films because they're the same sort of blockbustery 'simple' films that movie snobs (including myself, sometimes) love to hate.
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:12 PM
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53. come on...

He was also in 'Eyes Wide Shut' and Minority Report. Actually, he's been in a lot of good movies if you look at his resume.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 06:26 PM
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44. Yes, but W.S. had the good sense not to tell his public to Fuck off
which is only one of about 12 ironic points to Tom's whole hissy fit.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:11 PM
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3. I think
mostly he's an idiot......

But he has a point with this comment, doncha think?

"People go for help but their lives don't get better because of these drugs. They get worse. They feel numb and they're told that's a good thing. It's becoming like Huxley's Brave New World. "

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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:16 PM
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7. He has a point until you realize what he's advocating
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:19 PM
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12. He's making a blanket statement that's wrong and hurtful.
For some people - like Brooke Shields - the drugs don't make them feel numb. They make them feel normal.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:22 PM
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15. I've been on Celexa and Wellbutrin. And they helped me a great deal.
That's the height of irresponsibility to say what he said. Druge do help a lot of people dealing with depression and/or mental illness.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 07:35 PM
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48. Those drugs are a tool
Along with therapy. There is nothing inherently bad about any of it, which is why Tom's comments bug the crap out of me. It's science. Scientology, on the other hand, in NOT science. They have no knowledge in the field of psychiatry or neuroscience. They are a CULT and Tom Cruise and his fellow celebrity cultists are simply brainwashed idiots who should not sit in judgement of other people.
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:15 PM
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55. drugs aren't science

They're technology, which is based on science.

Some technology is bad, while some is good, but people shouldn't confuse science with technology.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:18 PM
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57. whatever
my point was that there is science behind this unlike the cult of Scientology which is a bunch of brainwashed freakazoids.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:38 PM
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26. But don't you think
doctors are too quick these days to subscribe meds? Practically everyone I know over 40 is on Zoloft or it's equivalent! It's kinda ridiculous.

I don't agree with him totally, just that I think too many doctors are prescribing drugs willy-nilly just to shut the patient up - AND to keep the Pharmaceutical companies happy!

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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:43 PM
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30. What I do know is that I don't have enough information
to make that kind of judgment, and neither does Tom Cruise.

Anecdotal information is not particularly valid.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:43 PM
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31. I agree with you.
The last time I went to the doctor, I walked out of there with FIVE prescriptions. And I had just finished a round of antibiotics.

There *is* an overmedication problem in this country. This is not to say that many people don't need their medicine. I need my Advair, others need their Wellbutrin.

But I am convinced that sometimes medications address the symptoms of a problem without addressing the cause of the problem.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:48 PM
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35. The cause of the problem for many people with depressive
and anxiety disorders is a chemical imbalance in the brain. It is a medical problem that requires a medical solution.

Certainly there are mental and emotional problems without medical causes, and working those out without drugs seems prudent. But when someone's issue is a medical issue, it's no different than other medical issues like diabetes or MS.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 02:03 PM
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41. Oh, definitely.
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 02:04 PM by tjdee
As I said--I need my asthma medicine, and someone else may need their Wellbutrin, Zoloft, whatever.

The problem with mental issues is that there isn't a test you can give to see if someone has a chemical imbalance in the brain (is there? I'd stand corrected if so).

So if I go in saying "gee, I feel really awful, my cousin died, I lost my job, I can't get out of bed in the mornings" I can get at least a sample for an antidepressant from my general practitioner. Even if I'm lying. Even if I'm a drama queen who just has to learn to deal with stress, and happened to see a Zoloft commercial.

I'm sure most doctors do their jobs, and most people seek help when they need it. It's not like depressed people go "WHOO HOO! Let me tell my doc all my personal problems so I can get me some drugs!!"

:shrug:
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 02:18 PM
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42. No, as far as I know, there are no specific diagnostic tests
to make those determinations.

Here's a pretty good explanation:

http://www.mhsource.com/expert/exp1021901c.html


Using myself as an example, in the last several months I've been dealing with strong, acute anxiety attacks. They are usually situational, but the situations never caused me any type of anxiety before. I'm in my late thirties, and it's possible that the anxiety is being caused by hormonal shifts associated with perimenopause (anxiety is often one of the symptoms of perimenopause). In a couple of cases, the anxiety was nearly debilitating.

I talked to my OB/GYN about the issue at my annual exam several weeks ago. I also suffer from frequent bouts of insomnia (have for years), and he thinks it's possible the anxiety episodes may be stemming from sleep deprivation. He prescribed a sleep aid for me to use on a short-term basis, to see if getting adequate sleep clears up or mitigates the anxiety. If it does not, we can go on from there to try figuring out what's going on with me. He also told me that he is not an expert in matters of depression or anxiety, and he strongly urged me to talk to my family doctor about it. (And frankly, I do find these anxiety attacks very disturbing, because I've never had anything like it before.)

No responsible doctor should be prescribing antidepressants based on a single interview with a patient.




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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 10:52 PM
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59. Tom Cruise isn't opposing drug corporations.
Looting people in need is a scientology staple. Instead, he's equating use of anti-depressants with electroshock therapy. It's allegedly some brutal process where mad scientists are preventing people from being vulnerable enough to fall for scientology scams. . . I mean "applied religious technology." :P

Of course there's a problem with overmedication. Doctors should not prescribe drugs, "just to shut the patient up." However, Tom Cruise isn't advocating correct diagnoses. He's totally trashing medications that can and have truly helped people to function.

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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:14 PM
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4. don't like him, don't like his movies.
Isn't he a scientologist or something? Real responsible asshole, telling people antidepressants make you worse. I'm glad you finished medical school, and entered medical research. Didn't here much about it in the press, but then I don't pay attention to your ass.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:14 PM
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6. Good for Tom
Maybe he can also turn some of his attention to the unsavory goings-on in his church, while he's at it. People who fear psychiatric manipulation also tend to fear things like spiritual manipulation. Quite a rational view, if I do say so.

Other than that, I've got no complaints. He can destroy all the studio furniture he wants to, with or without Katie Holmes.

--p!
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:21 PM
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14. Absolutely.
I don't care about his sexual orientation, his career, his personal life...I care about what he's RECOMMENDING.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,15580375%5E5000112,00.html

"First there was the revelation that ol' Tom invites journalists and others to indulge themselves in a four-hour Scientology lecture before they sit down with him."

PERFECT.

GIVE TOM HIS FOUR HOURS.

AND IN RETURN, Tom should agree to spend four hours studying the following Web Sites:

http://www.cultnews.net/

http://www.xenu.net/

http://www.rickross.com/groups/scientology.html

Hey, Tom? You GO, girl.

:puke:
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:16 PM
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8. aren't weird cults like an opiate, Tom?
jeesh---he acts like an asshole and flips out when called on it. Fuck you, Tom. :mad:
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:17 PM
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9. Cruise is a Scientologist whackjob.
The reason he's on a crusade against antidepressants isn't because he has any care for humanity. Cruise is a Scientologist, a member of a cult who believes all manner of mental therapy, including drugs, psychiatry and psychology, should be outlawed. Their opinions on this matter stem from their personal belief that people's problems are actually caused by little souls living within people's bodies, known as thetans. Scientologists also believe mental health professionals were responsible, trillions of years ago, for loading people onto spaceships, bringing them to earth, then blowing the people up with hydrogen bombs.

I kid you not.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:20 PM
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13. I wonder what my brother-in-law the psychologist would think about that.
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Sven77 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:23 PM
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19. L. RON HUBBARD
L Ron Hubbard founder of Dianetics AND Scientology, i think he worked on MK Ultra a military mind control project.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:24 PM
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20. This is a bad movie,come to life.
It is only 55 years old,yet they have wiggled their way in.
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 07:52 PM
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50. Delete
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 07:53 PM by Sandpiper
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:18 PM
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11. I'm torn. I like his stance against narcotic pacification.
But I don't like his stance on wacky space alien religions.
The tie breaker is telling everyone to fuck off.
I guess he's ok.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:23 PM
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18. Google "Narconon" and "Purification Rundown."
Hubbard "tech" is not a safe option.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:26 PM
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22. Brooke Sheild was on the verge...
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 01:29 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
of plowing herself into a wall while driving, her depression was so severe.

Yes, there is a problem with over medication in our counrty, but when you are suicidal, I think that qualifies as a time when medication is in order.

What Tom is doing I find to be very dangerous -- it sends folks a message that psych meds are never in order. There have been too many documented cases of mentally ill Scientolgists who have paid dearly for trying to go Tom's anti-psych med route -- Lisa McPherson being one of them. To bad she's dead -- too bad she can't tell her story of what it was like to have a psychotic episode and not be given the proper treatment.



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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:28 PM
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23. Yeah, that's no good
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:59 PM
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39. Cruise said the Brooke Shields should take vitamins instead
That they would have cured her post partum depression. :eyes:

I find his comments objectionable, since it shows a complete lack of understanding regarding the medical condition she suffered from. This had noting to do with the pacification of America with anti-depressants, as her condition is usually temporary and brought on by the hormonal changes related to delivering a child. If left untreated, it can develop into postpartum psychosis and endanger both the mother and the newborn.

It's serious shit and not appropriate for Cruise, who is not a medical doctor or psychologist the last time I checked, to be advocating they disregard medical treatment in favor of vitamins.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:31 PM
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56. Vitamins would certainly help. Particularly B vitamins.
But she would also need to pick up some 5-HTP at the health food store to effectively treat the chemical cause of the depression (seratonin deficit)
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:22 PM
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16. I thought that was, "Sometimes you gotta say 'what the fuck.'" nt
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:22 PM
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17. Here's why Cruise is demonstrably a STUPID ass.
In answering the first question in the above interview he says he doesn't care what people think.

In answering the second question he brags about how all these people wrote in and agreed with him about Brooke Shields.

Which is it, asshole--you care about what people think of what you say or you don't.


:wtf:

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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:24 PM
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21. LOL
I didn't notice that. :-)
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:36 PM
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25. I disagree with the assumptions he is making about antidepressants
And I wonder if he's at all qualified to make such a statement. :eyes:

Antidepressants help a lot of people.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:45 PM
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33. He's basing his assumptions...
...on a guy who audited TOMATOES.



Although I'll give him credit. I've never met a tomato in my LIFE that was addicted to antidepressants.

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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:49 PM
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36. Tomatoes have a lot of strength of will.
:D
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 02:02 PM
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40. They must be crushed
And made into a tasty sauce! :D
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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:41 PM
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27. pretty interesting comment considering that "people liking him" is
how he made hundreds of millions...
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:43 PM
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29. Isn't telling the world to fuck off after making millions the...
American Dream?
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 07:58 PM
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52. I wonder if the movie going public will keep this mind
When his newest big budget blockbuster is released at the end of this month.

Insulting the people who provide your livelihood probably isn't the wisest course of action.
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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:14 PM
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54. lol, not mine brother...
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:54 PM
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37. But Tom, you DO live your life "based on what other people ...
think" about you. Otherwise, there would be no need for the BEARDS
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fluffernutter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:56 PM
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38. i kinda agree with his f* off stance.
it would suck having people criticize your life all the time no matter what you say or do. however, he sort of asked for it by making it all so public.

the drug thing is just something that he should stay out of totally. yes, it might be hurtful to some, but for others it is lifesaving. there is no one answer for everyone, and blanket statements are ignorant and hurtful.

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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 02:26 PM
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43. Channeling Cheney?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 06:32 PM
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45. frankly, I would NEVER listen to a dickhead who holds onto a
tin can attached by a string to a 'machine' and tell some total stranger all the secrets of my life and then believe it helped me.

If scientology is so good, give one of their damned machines to a reputable third party for analysis.

Tom, f--k yourself.
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 10:41 PM
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58. Whoa, hon! I ain't a scientologist! No thanks!
Jewish-Episcopalian here...
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2bfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 07:21 PM
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46. I wonder how many responses he has gotten that were not thanking him.
He has also made the comment that Brooke Shield's career isn't doing well because of her taking meds. He should keep his comments to himself.
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 07:29 PM
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47. He's brainwashed, overpaid ass. I think that about sums it up. nt
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 07:43 PM
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49. I wonder...
what he'd have to say about these "mental health successes"

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/
x(
MPK
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 07:54 PM
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51. Cruise's statements are simply the fevered dreams of his Cult's founder
Hack sci-fi writer and noted fraud L. Ron Hubbard.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 03:39 AM
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60. Yeah, well f^%k him
and f$%k his movies, his ludicrous cult and the hype surrounding him.

I hope he loses a big chunk of his fan base over his silly stunts.
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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:07 AM
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61. For your entertainment
I found this clip of Tom Cruise's appearance on "Oprah" from another web site. It is very entertaining. If you are interested, click on http://www.tvgasm.com/archives/miscellaneous_tv/000824.php to see the clip.
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Debbi801 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:10 AM
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62. I find him very frightening for his beliefs...
And as an actor, I find him mediocre at best.

Who is he, to make the comments he does and judge other people the way he does? I wouldn't buy what he says any more than I'd buy the suggestions from any other cult member.

And, if I saw someone on the street that looked the way he does in the picture the OP posted, I'd be running the other way as quickly as possible. He looks deranged.
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NoSunWithoutShadow Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:27 AM
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63. Hey Tom, postpartum depression? Remember Andrea Yates?
n/t
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:29 AM
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64. Well when he goes through
post-partum depression, then he can comment on it. Until then he needs to STFU.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:48 AM
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65. Tom, not caring what others think is the start of the Michael Jackson path
Enjoy it!
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