Wow was that Tyson thing sad

[underpants]

I am sure there were posts on it yesterday so oblige me....

I watched it with a couple of my buddies. During the fight we were talking about how when Tyson looses the next time that will probably be the end of his career. Well as you know McBride hit him with a head snapping upper cut (not that you will see it in any highlights)and down went Tyson.

Of course the ever obnoxious Jim Grey was there to not only ask him on the spot but to hold Tyson there while interview McBride (who DID win the fight). Tyson just looked broken and beat--not necessarily from the fight but in general. He lost that complete viciousness that set him apart and that intimidated everyone he fought (to a point).

They really used him up and threw him out. This is not to say that he hasn't made really horrible choices over the years and was punished as he should have been but that was one of the worst immediate meltdowns you will ever see.

Wow.

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. Tyson's career should have ended

a long time ago.

[underpants]

2. *I* made more money than he did last year

HE made ZERO money last year. As he said "I'm only fighting to pay my bills" (huge IRS bill). He should have stopped a while ago but where else could he possibly make near that kind of money???

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. My hubby and I have had an ongoing debate for years about Tyson

I say he was born mentally retarded and boxing injuries have just compounded his problems. Hubby says he is actually very smart.

[sybylla]

9. Yeah, but 8-year-olds can be very smart

I agree with you, proud2Blib, I think he had handicaps that people took advantage of for their own gain.

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. Thank you

Next time I argue with my hubby about this, can I quote you? :)

[sybylla]

15. You sure can!

I've always thought of a bright child when I looked at Tyson. He's my age and I never thought about it when he was a young boxer, just figured he had people looking out for him. But after I had kids, I really began to feel he had serious problems and needed a mentor, not boxing promoter with a stake in his game.

[underpants]

14. NOt really retardation more like mental health problems

Tyson was in the juvenile corrections system and well...let's just say that if you imagine about the worst things that could happen to you in jail it happened to Mike. He wasn't just a physical menace he had a LOT of issues to work out and what better way to do it????

Of course whatever your condition upon starting in a career in boxing the punches to the face don't help anything.

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. I think he has BOTH

mental health problems and retardation - or some sort of brain damage that occurred BEFORE he started boxing.

[WeRQ4U]

3. He was always surrounded by people who wanted to exploit him...

and that was the problem. It's an extremely sad story, borderline illegal to me. They take this guy who is most likely mentally handicapped and most definitely mentally unstable, and they turn him into a crazed lunatic by encouraging all the bad behavior and denying him the medical and pharmacological attention he needs. They used him to make money, plain and simple. Even now, when his career should be over, there are people willing to put him into the ring to get his head beat around, simply because there is a draw. He has no one to provide him direction or to counsel him now that he's through making them money. It's both sad and infuriating.

And I have a fairly strong opinion of his ex-wife too.

[underpants]

4. Yep after Cus D'amato died he was basicallly all alone then

granted D'Amato was in the fight game and yes they did see the potential in him so 2+2=4 and so on.

When the only person Tyson ever had who didn't completely mistreat and use him died he should have stayed with Kevin Rooney but Tyson listened to the wrong people (Don King) and he dropped the ones who got him there and kept him out of trouble. That was the beginning of the end.

[Seabiscuit]

8. You're right. D'Amato never misused Tyson - but his death sent Tyson

spiraling out of control and into the arms of Don King who did to Tyson what he's done to all of his fighters, and Tyson's never recovered. He became an animal (e.g. the rape episode, the Holyfield ear-chomping episode) and remains one to this day (he tried to illegally break McBride's arm in the 6th round during a clinch, and when that didn't work, he head-butted McBride, opening a gash near McBride's eye - all because, in Tyson's own words: "I thought I was losing" - yet McBride knocked Tyson on his ass by the end of the round and Tyson squealed "no mas!" seconds after the round ended).

I feel sorry for someone as pathetic as Mike Tyson, yet I will not miss him if he hopefully retires from boxing forever. His legacy is a stain on boxing, a "sport" already soiled too often for too long.

I have no pity for Don King and wish someone would "retire" him permanently.

[underpants]

16. King's M.O. -he did this to Ali after the Holmes fight

BTW- "Great White Hype" starring Samuel L. Jackson is said to a very accurate portrayal of Don King.

King was famous for having contracts no one could make sense out of and getting a fighter's corner men on his $ide.

King walked into the hospital in Vegas with a briefcase full of money. Showed it to Ali and said it was his...oh but we need to sign this saying you got the money you know...for tax reasons.

What Ali (and others) really was signing was a release from the former contract stating that you take the immediate payment in lieu of the previously stated amount. King did this right after the fight when no one is in their right mind, and the corner men just look the other way.

Oh Tyson didn't say "no Mas" McBride about snapped his head off with an uppercut. They really should have stopped the fight due to the massive amount of blood McBride was losing (all over the place) but once the continued it looked like Tyson (just had a 2 point deduction for the head butt) was going to let McBride make it through the round. They were clutching and grabbing when *BAM* McBride hit him and all four of us let out an "OH S**T!!!". As soon as they got separated Tyson slid to the floor. I never heard what was up with Tyson repeatedly biting the thumb of his left glove.

[Seabiscuit]

21. Thanks for the update. I didn't mean that Tyson said "no mas" literally.

Simply that at the end of the 6th round he quit.

[GOPisEvil]

12. Not only Cus, but Jim Jacobs, too.

Jacobs looked out for him as well, but after his death, Don King was able to get his hooks into Mike deeply.

[peekaloo]

5. makes you wonder how he may have turned out if Cus D'Amato (sp)

had lived a little longer.

[Hobarticus]

10. Tyson was a thug when Cus got ahold of him....

Turned him around, taught him respect, and made him into a fine boxer with a promising future. Tyson could've been the greatest.

[Shell Beau]

6. He said

he wanted to fade into bolivian. I was thinking can I buy an "o" please. Oblivion maybe. He has had his sense knocked out of him one too many times! Maybe he meant he wanted to move to Bolivia!:shrug:

[kwassa]

13. He is still the biggest draw in boxing with his dysfunctional star quality

I was thinking about the big stars in sports and media are the ones who live dramatic soap opera lives, not the ones who just go out and are great athletes and winners. Winning by itself is just too dull.

I was surprised that his ex-wife Monica was leaving her pediatrics residency to supervise his business affairs. She must have lost her mind. Her brother, by the way, is the Lieutenant Governor of Maryland, and a Republican, Michael Steele.

[Seabiscuit]

17. By that logic Dennis Rodman is a much bigger star than Michael Jordan.

I know what you mean, but I don't think the phenomenon you're talking about can be written down as a rule, per se.

[kwassa]

24. Neither is much of a star now, memories are short in sports and showbiz

I personally am fascinated by people who do absolutely nothing, or next to nothing, and remain "stars".

Tyson has been a joke for a long time, but people still want to see him.

[Misunderestimator]

18. Sorry... pretty difficult to dredge up any sympathy for him...

:shrug:

[Wapsie B]

19. If Tyson wants to stay in boxing

he should do it giving other street kids a break like D'amato gave him.
Start a gym. He's still got the name which would be a draw.

[underpants]

20. Though it will always be around this might have been the turning point

THE #1 name in the sport in the world was publicly used and spit out. There are still a lot of boxers out there but most people take the options available in other sports.

[Zuni]

23. I have trouble feeling sorry for Mike

I know he grew up dirt poor in Brooklyn, I know he spent his childhood in and out of juvenile jail, I know he was saved from a life of crime by Cus D'Amato, I know Don King used him like a Trojan condom....

But it is still really hard to be sorry for him. Especially after he disgraced himself when he bit off Holyfield's ear---I saw that shit live---and it was fucking disgusting