What exactly is entrapment?

[Shell Beau]

And why does it only apply to certain situations?

[Magrittes Pipe]

1. When she told me her tubes were tied, then got pregnant.

:cry:

[Shell Beau]

3. Well that can actually happen.

Just the luck of the draw, I guess!:wow:

[Magrittes Pipe]

8. Yeah, I know.

I was just kiddin' around.

[Shell Beau]

13. So it didn'thappen?

It would suck, but hey, my mom was on B.C. when she got pregnant with me, so I am glad it fails sometimes.

[MissMillie]

18. Not really

the only pregnancy that can occur after tubal ligation is an ectopic pregnancy, which is non-viable, and potentially fatal to the woman in question.

[Magrittes Pipe]

23. Ligations can be incomplete.

Vasectomies are not 100% either... the human body has a nasty habit of trying to reconstruct itself.

Post-ligation viable pregnancies are exceptionally rare, yes. But they can occur.

[Shell Beau]

24. I had an ectopic about a year ago. So I know all to well the dangers.

But I have heard that sometimes, tubal ligation isn't successful unbeknownst (sp?) to the woman.

[purr]

32. My cousin had her 6th daughter after

a tubal ligation. Hers rejoined and became unbanded. It IS possible.

[sniffa]

2. if an undercover cop entraps you

be it for drugs, prostitution, etc.... it's not entrapment.

that's about it. ;)

[Shell Beau]

5. So, if he/she

is undercover it's not, but if they aren't it is?

[sniffa]

9. no they're both entrapment

but in court, it's not entrapment.

it's an urban Legend.

cop shows up and Lies, you Lose.

[Deep13]

15. You lose even if the cop is truthful.

Supplying one side of a transaction that the Defendant seeks out is not entrapment.

[sniffa]

17. how about hookers then

the undercovers ask everybody for a 'date' regardLess of whether they're Looking to pick up a hooker. guy just coming home from work, gets fLirted with, and commits a crime he wasn't predisposed to commit.

[Shell Beau]

21. Yeah, what if he never had any intentions of

picking up a hooker until that very moment?

[Deep13]

31. best guess:

I don't know the specific statute for prostitution, but the issue probably turns on the reasonableness of the defendant's assertion that he thought they just wanted a date. It probably also turns on whether the undercover cop or the defendant is more believable in explaining the facts. Usually in those sting type operations, there are multiple police witnesses and at least audio recording.

In any event, the issue you present is more of a did it vs. didn't do it rather than an issue of entrapment. In entrapment, the defendant definitely committed the offense, but only did so because the police made him do it.

Is that Che Peter Griffin as your avatar?

[northzax]

4. if you have to ask

you did a bad, bad thing.

[Shell Beau]

6. No, just thinking

about the prostitution threads and how undercover cops pretend to try to get laid and then BAM arrest ensues!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

14. I've seen worse

Female cop acting as a prostitute, offering her "services" to men passing by and NOT ACCEPTING NO FOR AN ANSWER. She'd insist and insist and lower and lower the price until the man finally said OK, then a bunch of bastard pigs heroic cops would jump and arrest the poor man.

Shown on a TV documentary. Sickening.

[sniffa]

19. go to chinatown at night - weekends

if they're having one of their 'sweeps' you can watch those busts being made aLL night Long.

[Shell Beau]

25. That really isn't right! That is a shitty thing to do.

But I still respect most cops b/c my brother is one and he puts his life on the line every day. He's had several death threats. One b/c he took out (by that I mean arrested) the head of the worst gang in the town. He had FBI watching his house morning, noon, and night b/c the gang found his address. He literally puts his life on the line and b/c of that I respect MOST (not all) cops.

[Beware the Beast Man]

7. Sometimes, Babe uses a net!

[asthmaticeog]

12. There's no way

that woman's a prostitute - not in THAT JC Penney get-up. :silly:

[Deep13]

10. The state creates the crime.

Basically, if an innocent person is haranged into criminal activity by the police, it is entrapment. A person who is predisposed to commit an offense cannot claim entrapment. For example, an informant offers to buy drugs from someone who routinely traffics in drugs cannot claim entrapment because he was predisposed to commit a crime.

Here is the classic example.
Before the time when child pornography was illegal, Defendant possessed it. After it became a crime, he did not possess it. For the next twelve years, government agents pretending to be child porn dealers pestered Defendant to buy child porn. He continually refused. They went to great lengths including visiting him at work, at home at all hours and continually telephoning him and soliciting him by mail. Finally, in exchange for a promise to knock it off he caved in and bought one just to be rid of them. The court ruled that the crime had been created by the police and that the Defendant have been entrapped.

[RPM]

22. Bingo - cops must induce a person to commit a crime he otherwise wouldn't

If it was a crime one is predisposed to commit, there cannot be entrapment.

However, if the crime is one you would not have committed but for the police inducement, it becomes entrapment

[amazona]

11. a defense that almost never works

Why do you want to know? Much undercover work involves creating crimes that would have never happened without the instigation of the feds, if you ask my humble opinion. Doesn't mean that entrapment is a great defense when they have you on videotape selling whatever product.

[Shell Beau]

20. What about this scenerio....

Driving down the interstate and speed limit changes. Cop hiding in bushes. Before you get a chance to slow down (b/c he is right in front of the speed limit sign), cop comes out of bushes and pulls you over. This happened to me one time, but I used my charm to get out of ticket.

[48pan]

16. A real answer...

Entrapment is when the government convinces someone to do something illegal that the person wasn't planning to do. Jurys can spot it pretty easily.

[SOteric]

26. Entrapment is when

any law enforcing authority tempts or intices an individual into committing a crime they might otherwise never have committed.

So, frex, you've never in your life patronized prostitutes, you're a relatively wholesome family man, love your wife, middle-aged, balding, overweight. Most 'gorgeous' women don't look twice at you. An absolutely stunning woman comes on to you at a bar. You're flattered but decline her politely. She persists, teases you, taunts you until you can stand it no more and the two of you make plans to race up to a sleazy motel room for a sordid encounter. Then she reveals herself as an undercover cop and arrests you.

That's entrapment.

Now, if she'd sat quietly minding her own business, but maybe casting a few flirtatious glances your way, and you'd approached her of your own volition offering to race up to a sleazy motel room for a sordid encounter, - and to pay her handsomely for her time, - then it's not entrapment.

[JimmyJazz]

27. Here's an example. You are hanging out in the parking lot

before a concert and a man walks up and says, "Hey, can I buy a beer from you?" You agree. He turns out to be an undercover cop and arrests you. That is clear entrapment. But for HIS actions, no crime would have been committed.

HOWEVER, if you are in the same parking lot yelling, "Bud for a buck, Bud for a buck," and a cop happens to make a purchase from you and then proceeds to arrest you - well, that's NOT entrapment.

Not that *I* would know anything about that :crazy:

[Shell Beau]

28. Suuure!

:silly:

[11 Bravo]

29. When a woman says ...

Of course we'll still have oral sex after we're married.

[Shell Beau]

30. Or when a man says of course I'll still help around the house...

You see, it's a 2 way street! :evilgrin: