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Zech Marquis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 05:51 PM
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Old Navy and Gap are "blue" companies right?
I've been home on vacation from work this weel, and I decided to pretty much redo my clothes at Old Navy and The Gap.I know, pretty much the same company, except Old Navy is cheaper (but pretty much the same clothes), and I did very good with the new clothes I got. (some new khakis, dress pants, and blue jeans with shirts and polos) So Old Navy is a blue comapny..i think (it's been a while but I recall seeing it on the blue list). Is Best Buy also considered blue?
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Sannum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 05:53 PM
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1. Gap, Old Navy and Banana Republic are Blue.
I am not sure about Best Buy
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bucknaked Donating Member (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:30 PM
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11. Best Buy=Dick Schultz and Mr. Bradbury Anderson....big R donors!
Edited on Fri Jun-17-05 06:31 PM by bucknaked
I'd suggest to stay away, but sadly, I make my income via certain commonalities with them.

edit: it's not all bad guys there. ;)
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:03 PM
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2. Gap, Old Navy,
Banana Republic---blue

Best Buy---red

A lot of companies are listed here:
http://buyblue.org/
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:05 PM
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3. "Blue" or not, they're fucking evil for their commercials alone
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:16 PM
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5. I'll second that.
Old Navy's television ads are one of the greatest threats our culture faces.
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:17 PM
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6. agree
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:09 PM
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4. They sell blue dresses at The Gap
or at least they used to. :evilgrin:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:23 PM
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7. 'Blue' or not, they still use sweatshop
labour and are totally unethical in that respect. Give the money to the 8 year old sewing khakis, not the dem party.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:59 PM
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16. sweatshop Labour? Got proof? Links?
or just repeating what you heard?

RL
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Omphaloskepsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 07:12 PM
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18. sure..
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:50 PM
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20. Come on, get real.
a 6 year old article about protestors is not proof.

:eyes:

RL
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:22 AM
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23. Wow! THANK you for being
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 09:12 AM
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27. Wow, a bit testy, are we?
I don't see where I was condescending or snarky. Such defensiveness is probably uncalled for on your part, as I merely asked for backup proof, or whether you were merely repeating the old stale sweatshop mantra of the smelly left-coast hippy. If that is self-righteous, so be it...

But thanks for the links, I'll check them out.

Now I gotta go buy some more GAP jeans...

RL
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 01:37 PM
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30. Oh,
upon reading your second post, my judgement hasn't changed. I guess I'm still feeling 'testy'.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 07:22 PM
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19. everything made overseas, and most of what's made here is in a sweatshop..
so unless you're going naked, or paying someone a lot to make your clothes custom.
it's pretty much unavoidable.
but most larger companies have greatly improved their factory compliance programs in the past ten years. so conditions are much better across the board, but there's still alot of exploitation in the third world, especially in poorer areas where people have no alternatives. there is always market pressure to open factories where goods can be manufactured for less, so they do. new factories go where people are desperate to make a living and will allow themselves to be exploited. usually it is a step up for these people from sustenance farming. it ain't pretty. africa would be huge in manufacturing now if they could just build the infrastructure to ship things in a timely manner. why? because it's filled with starving desperate people who would take thse jobs. that's the way it works.
even in the best rated asian factories people work six long days a week, get cheated out of overtime, and live in a dormitory. and that's not just the garment industry, either.
americans just do not want to pay the real price of labor for clothing.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:33 AM
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24. It isn't unavoidable
if you're willing to make the effort and take a little extra time to look into these things. I know it's widespread, but if you're going to bother looking into which corps donate money to your political party, why not look into which corps don't shoot their workers for asking for another dollar a month.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 07:39 AM
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26. where do you get your clothes?
please tell us so that we don't all have to do the legwork.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 01:35 PM
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29. Most of my clothes
come from a couple of local people here in Winnipeg who make really neat stuff in their shops. I also shop at cruella (http://www.cruella.ca/) for some of my 'funkier' needs, I found that place when I lived in Montreal, and the woman who runs it sews a lot of the stuff. I buy stuff second hand as well, from some of the nicer second hand/consignment shops.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 02:02 PM
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34.  95% of what's in stores is largely unavoidable, it's not just clothing
but the fresh food in our groceries, electronics, pretty much anything manufatured in Asia, the Caribean, Latin America or Africa.
This is the result of worldwide economic policy and garment manufactures were largely and most loudly targeted because the union activists wanted to keep the work here in America. It's a complicated issue, factories in America are pretty dangerous, disgusting and exploitive too. I have mixed feelings because i know a lot of people still needed and wanted those jobs.
Manufacturing has always been the way for the poorest to get a leg up, and it will remain the lowest rung on the ladder of opportunity for those impoverished. There are a few hot spots in Central America and the Caribean where violence occurs, and most larger stores will not do any business there as a result. China has changed remarkably in the last ten years becasue the market forced them to, but beng a factory worker is never going to be a picnic in the competative global market.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 04:35 PM
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38. Thats why
it's important to try and support as many non-exploitive businesses as possible. As long as we shrug our shoulders and say 'it's everywhere' it will remain everywhere. Working toward social change that includes protecting the rights of workers home and abroad is important, and part of that is curbing the consumption of goods that are created under poor working conditions. Factories shouldn't be 'the lowest rung on the ladder', dangerous unsafe conditions should be stopped, and the support of such practices with $ needs to stop. It isn't necessary, it's wrong, and it's avoidable.

I don't target any one thing because I want business kept in the US of A, but I do target companies that exploit their workers, their workers children, and their safety.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 09:20 AM
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28. Yes, lets boycott them NOW!
"Gap is now viewed as a leader in the small but growing corporate movement to improve conditions for some of the world's most exploited workers."

http://www.responsibleshopper.org/basic.cfm?cusip=364760

See, anyone can cherry pick, maybe even from the same sites you posted, but of course you left this out. How come?

RL

Human Rights In November 2002 Cambodian union leaders credited the Gap with solving a labor problem at nation's largest garment factory, the South Korean-owned Sam Han Cambodian Fabrics, which is an independent contractor that employs 9,000 people and produces cotton, wool and cashmere sweaters for Gap. A spokesperson from the Coalition of Cambodian Apparel Workers said that workers at the factory had been beaten by hired thugs, offered bribes by management to stop their union organizing, and even shot at. According to the spokesperson nothing was done until "we complained to Gap." A Gap official from the Philippines helped forge an agreement with the factory management to end the harassment of union leaders, form a grievance procedue and meet regularly with union leaders. Source: San Francisco Chronicle, Dec. 12, 2002

Human Rights In May 2004, Gap published its first social responsibility report that outlined a variety of labor violations, as well steps it is taking to remedy the problems. Executives reported that Gap was taking “concrete, constructive steps” to remedy the most common violations, including health and safety problems, as well as instances of forced and coerced labor. The report also detailed other aspects of Gap’s social responsibility practices, including community giving and volunteerism Source: Ethical Corporation, May 14, 2004

Community Involvement Starting in February 2005 hundreds of Gap employees displaced for three months by extensive Colorado store remodelings are being farmed out by the company - with pay - to volunteer at local nonprofits. The employees will split their time between working at the non-profits and company training programs. The company also offers a program that allows headquarters employees five hours a month of paid time to volunteer in the community and another that contributes $150 to a nonprofit for every 15 hours an employee volunteers there. Source: The Denver Post, Dec. 22, 2004

Worker Rights The Gap has been praise for its efforts in Worker Rights:
According the the Los Angeles Times, "Gap is now viewed as a leader in the small but growing corporate movement to improve conditions for some of the world's most exploited workers." The paper states that the company has wielded its buying power in Africa, Central America, and Cambodia to help improve factory conditions and is encouraging other manufacturers to follw suit. "No one company created these issues, and no one company can fix it by itself," said Alan Marks, Gap's chief spokesman.
Gap and the International Finance Corporation, an arm of the World Bank, have signed an agreement to provide an $80,000 year-long management training program to 650 Cambodian garment factory supervisors to improve labor relations and productivity. The Gap-IFC program, set to begin in March 2005 at seven Cambodian factories, will teach supervisors how to handle workers’ complaints and resolve conflicts between workers and employers.
In April 2004 Gap was accepted into membership in the Ethical Trading Initiative, an UK alliance promoting the implementation of international labour standards. ETI aims to ensure conditions for workers producing goods for the U.K. market meet or exceed international labor standards. The ETI alliance includes 37 corporations, 16 non-governmental organisations, and U.K. and global trade unions.
In April 2004 UNITE and Gap announced that they will support an effort by displaced garment workers in El Salvador to open that country's first independent and fully unionized apparel export factory. UNITE and Gap Inc. also said they plan to regularly discuss ways to cooperatively address garment factory issues that are of mutual concern to both organizations.
Source: Los Angeles Times, Jan. 17, 2005, CSRWire, et al

Animal Welfare The Gap has agreed to stop using leather from India, where cows are said to face cruel treatment despite their sacred status. The company has pledged to continue the ban until the government improves conditions under which the animals are transported and slaughtered for leather and meat. Source: Reuters, May 31, 2000

Charitable Giving Gap is doubling their employees’ contributions for tsunami relief through GlobalGiving, a global internet portal acting as an 'E-Bay' for social and economic growth of developing countries that has dedicated web space for relief and reconstruction within the tsunami disaster zone. Source: CSRWire

Charitable Giving In September 2004, after the devastation left by Hurricanes Charley, Frances and Ivan, the Gap Foundation pledged $50,000 to the American Red Cross to aid its disaster relief efforts. The Foundation also announced plans to doubling matches for Gap employee contributions. The Foundation's Gift Match program, which offers a dollar-for-dollar match for all part- and full-time Gap Inc. employees around the world, was increased to match two-for-one for contributions made by employees to the American Red Cross' Disaster Relief Fund. In addition, for every 15 hours an employee volunteers with the Red Cross, Gap Foundation said it would contribute $300. Source: CSRWire

Discrimination The Gap achieved a score of 86 on the Human Rights Campaign 2005 Corporate Equality Index which rates large corporations on policies that affect their gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender employees, consumers and investors. The 2005 HRC Corporate Equality Index rated companies on a scale of 0 percent to 100 percent on seven factors. The company achieved a score of 86 on the organization's 2004 Corporate Equality Index. Source: Huamn Rights Campaign

Diversity The Gap has a non-discrimination policy that includes sexual orientation. Source: Human Rights Campaign

Diversity In March 2005 the National Association for Female Executives (NAFE) named Gap to its annual 30 Best Companies for Executive Women. Source: CSRWire

Diversity Since 1994, Gap has offered domestic partner health benefits to employees' domestic partners of the same sex. Source: Human Rights Campaign


Ethics Gap was one of the winners of the 16th Annual Business Ethics Awards, announced on December 13, 2004 by Business Ethics magazine. Specifically, Gap received the Social Reporting Award for “unprecedented honesty in reporting on factory conditions” in their 2004 Social Responsibility Report. Source: CSRWire

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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 01:48 PM
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33. Oh wow!
PR stunts are def. gonna make me change my mind. They closed down a couple of hundred factories out of over 3,000. Their prices haven't shot up, because they're still manufacturing in countries where obeying wage/labour laws STILL means people are making next to nothing, the employees can't unionize and a lot of these countries don't even HAVE laws protecting employees.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 02:08 PM
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35. "a lot of these countries don't even HAVE laws protecting employees."
and America does?
:rofl:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 04:28 PM
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37. I didn't
say the US had any such laws. However, you can't deny that people aren't being shot in the face for saying the word 'union'. And most americans aren't making 30 cents a day.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 04:19 PM
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36. Well, we'll just have to disagree...
Meanwhile, I think I'll go support a few more sweatshops.

Maybe a nice pair of Gap Boxers.

RL
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:26 PM
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8. Major sweatshop offenders!
That's the problem with some of these blue/red lists, some companies donate to dems but aren't really progressive in terms of thier values and actions.

A company I used to work for shows up on the red lists, but treats it's employees well and pays them nicely. I'd rather people spend thier money there than at a company that runs on the exploit the workers model but coughs up more cash for dems.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:27 PM
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9. Not to mention the fact
that most megacorps donate to both. Cover their bases and all :eyes:
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:29 PM
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10. We have a winner
And I still think they should be flogged to death with the antlers of a rotting moose for those fucking commercials.
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Omphaloskepsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:39 PM
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12. so you find the commercials slightly irritating?
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:40 PM
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13. Slightly
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Omphaloskepsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:50 PM
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14. odd..
they make me punch the walls..
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 06:58 PM
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15. I applaud your restraint
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 07:05 PM
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17. Old Navy produced some blatantly racist clothes...
couple years ago.

Or was that Abercrombie and Fitch? Fuck 'em both.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 12:01 AM
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21. You're thinking Abercrombie & Fitch
They were also sued for having racist hiring policies for their stores. Minorities were given stockroom jobs, and only whites were put on the sales floor.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 07:29 AM
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25. I can't stand A&F
Their catalogs are softcore child pornography.
they create the "must have" materialistic social climbers with their vastly overpriced crap!
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 01:38 PM
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31. Abercrombie, it had to do with Asians
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 12:07 AM
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22. nosweatapparel.com and americanapparel.com --
guaranteed sweatshop free! (supporting unions and homeless people with fair wages, health care, and resonable working conditions). Check 'em out! You might feel better.

My kid will not buy ANYTHING made with sweatshop labor--unless it is second hand and won't contribute to the support of immoral practices. He even found an MP3 player made in Massachusetts! (took 2 weeks) So, if you need info, just write!
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 01:41 PM
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32. Good kid!
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