I'm Torn. Maybe I Should Cancel The BBQ

[matcom]

we could all carpool down to NY for the Billy Grahm Crusade instead. :D

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Billy's not so bad. :^) Rather hear him than Falwell.

[arwalden]

12. Anyone Who Calls Me A "Sinner" For Being Gay...

... is despicable.

Graham says that homosexuality is wrong, and then writes,

There are steps that are crucial for you to follow if you are ever to conquer this. First, if you have never asked Christ to come into your life I urge you to do so without delay. . . .

Then get help from others for your problem. Don't be afraid to seek help or to share your problem in confidence with someone you can trust who also can help you. There may be many complex reasons for your homosexual tendencies, and a skilled pastor can probably point you to a Christian psychologist or psychiatrist who has had experience in dealing with others who have been in your situation. Such a person can help you understand yourself and why you have become the person you are, and will also help you - both emotionally and spiritually - to leave your old way of living and become the person Christ wants you to be. (p. 228-229)

[GreenPartyVoter]

14. That is really lousy. I was thinking more of his civil rights stuff back

in the 60s but clearly he fell off the path on civil rights since then.

Tell ya what? Let's go visit Bishop Spong instead! *g*

[Fenris]

2. Praise the Load!

:D

[Radio_Lady]

7. Fenris, in this atmosphere of violence, I think you should drop your

signature about the Bee Gees.

I happened to like their music and the sad, untimely death of their brother Andy Gibb due to mental illness and drug use was a pity.

He performed in "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat" many years ago in Philadelphia, I believe, and I was privileged to see him in that performance. He was a very handsome and talented man. To see what appears to be his brothers in the crosshairs of your picture was appalling to me. I believe one of the twins died not so long ago, leaving only two.

Please re-think this graphic. I appreciate your consideration.

[sniffa]

3. he was a great champion

[ghostsofgiants]

25. Didn't he get busted for steroids?

[sniffa]

32. i think so

sounds famiLiar.

[ghostsofgiants]

33. Yep, just looked it up

"He recently has spoken out against steroid use in sports based on his own experiences. Numerous surgeries, two artificial hips, a fused ankle and living his life in constant pain has brought him into a new knowledge of the drug he used to use to get ahead, to a drug that ultimately led him to money, fame and the world title."

http://canoe.ca/SlamWrestlingBiosG/graham_superstar.html

I've got way too much time on my hands, haha.

[supernova]

4. Billy's alright,

It's it's Franklin the asshole I can't stand.

And no, you would never catch me dead at a BG Crusade.

[Shell Beau]

5. Billy is not bad. It is the others that give Christianity

a bad name! I actually respect Billy.

On edit,I respect him, but I have a feeling I am about to hear why I shouldn't. }(

[jonnyblitz]

11. you must not be jewish.. he doesn't like jews. listen to the nixon

tapes. OH YEAH he apologized, my bad. nevermind. :eyes:

[Shell Beau]

13. Ok, ok!

I don't know a whole lot about the guy. I didn't know he didn't like Jews. As I said, I knew someone would fill me in on why I shouldn't like him. I am willing to be enlightened. Fill me in. What did he say? (I am not being sarcastic here either; I really would like to know!) :hi:

On edit, I guess when I said I respected him, I meant for not being like most of the others, however, I do not know much about him, so maybe I should save the respect until I do.

[jonnyblitz]

15. i don't recall the details i just remember he is on tape with Nixon

making comments about jews, in the media i think. i suppose i could google and find out the exact comments but i am too lazy...

i need to stay out of these religion threads...

[Shell Beau]

16. No you don't b/c people like me (who is a Christian) need

to hear input from others so we can be enlightened! I need to know things like this, and like you, I am too lazy to google it!

[jonnyblitz]

17. here is something I found, although I like this site, most

DUers don't because they go after DEMs also..

<snip>
The Rebel Angel
"They Don't Know How I Really Feel"
Billy Graham, Tangled Up in Tape

By David Vest

Almost thirty years after President Nixon resigned in disgrace, the tapes continue to come out, their power to sully reputations undimmed by time.

Now it is the Rev. Billy Graham who has been made to feel the lash of his own words, secretly taped by the president who sought his spiritual counsel and used him for "cover."

We knew, long ago, of Nixon's own anti-Semitism. We heard his voice on the first wave of tapes, wanting to know how his daughters were being deployed in his re-election campaign. When staffers told him they were scheduled to appear at functions in support of the arts, he protested, "No, no, that's Jews and queers."

<snip>
http://www.counterpunch.org/vestgraham.html

he apologized but he got caught on tape so....i take his apology with a grain of salt...

[Shell Beau]

22. That certainly is interesting. It is hard to tell if it was

a genuine apology or an I got caught apology. I like to think we all make mistakes and we should be given second chances, but when you don't know if someone is sincere or not, it makes it hard. Oh well! I'll just stay neutral on him. Maybe not respect him, but not trash him either. Thanks for the info!

[jonnyblitz]

26. I hear you and no problem..

:hi:

[Misunderestimator]

20. Yeah, well, I heard him in an interview this week talking about how

he didn't "believe" in homosexuality and that there were many other horrible sinners to consider.

[Shell Beau]

28. Please read my other posts to see what I said!!

:)

[Misunderestimator]

29. I read them after I responded... The "Billy's not so bad" made me respond

before reading the other posts. :)

[Shell Beau]

31. I do that all of the time!!!!

;)

[Zomby Woof]

6. Stay inside

And have a Tom Cruise movie marathon!

[Texasgal]

8. Yeah!

You could all watch "COCKTAIL" while eating :popcorn:

[kick-ass-bob]

9. Just bring these 2:

[jonnyblitz]

10. DAMN you scared me for a minute because

I am lookin forward to tomorrow...and FUCK BILLY GRAHAM! :puke:

[matcom]

18. lol

:rofl:

[Misunderestimator]

19. Oh thank god... I hadn't wanted to admit that that's where I was going...

Yay!! We can pray together!! :hug: :pals:

[matcom]

21. you know what they say: "Those that pray together....

end up fucking like rabbits." :D

[Misunderestimator]

23. I knew there was something to religion...

:D

[yvr girl]

24. Must get to church

lol

[Blue-Jay]

27. Nah. Then we'd have to wade through

100 threads of Billy Graham pictures.

[SarahB]

30. I'll bring my Bible instead.

O8)

[matcom]

34. see #21

now i REALLY can't wait to see you!