What do you think of the name "Lucifer?"

[Guaranteed]

My girlfriend and I actually both think that this is an extremely strong name. "Lucifer"'s don't get fucked with. Ever.

It's so damned strong. It's pretty, too.

But, yeah, it's an evil-sounding name. What do you think of it?

I'm being serious, here, too. I think that it's one of the strongest names I've ever heard.

[neuvocat]

1. I think its adorable.

You could say "Lucy" for short. That's just soooo cute!!!

[Pirate Smile]

17. That is exactly what I do. My FIL said he would buy a new boat if Bush

was re-elected and so he did buy that f@#king boat who I've named Lucifer and I call Lucy for short (especially in front of the children).

[RevCheesehead]

2. It's a hell of a name.

[Guaranteed]

5. LOL seriously, though.

Do you think it would be too evil-like?

[RevCheesehead]

12. Do you mean for a child, or a pet?

I knew someone who named their cat "Lucy-fur."

Technically, I think the name means "bearer of light." Lucifer was a fallen angel who turned his back on God. According to apocraphal texts, Lucifer was one of God's favorite angels. His turning to the dark side was extremely bitter.

Other than the theological implications, I think you'd open up a kid to an awful lot of teasing.

[Guaranteed]

16. I don't think that the kid would get teased much.

In fact, I think that if he ever actually GOT teased, the other kids would get scared as hell...so to speak.

I think it's a very deeply psychological effective name. And you're right about the real meaning...Bringer of Light is the meaning of Lucy.

The site we're using doesn't even have Lucifer on it.

[the_spectator]

27. (Warning: rant) Of course he'd be teased. Kids would call him "Lucy" -

You know, there's nothing wrong with self-expression, daring to be different, etc. - but GIVING KIDS WACKY NAMES is not a part of that:
1) It's not self-expression on behalf of the kid, it's PARENT expression.
2) It's not something easily changed if the kid doesn't like it.
Giving a kid a wacky name is like giving them a tattoo at birth almost.

When you really think about it, you realize that names are not really important - they're just a way for all of us to tell each other apart. It's the actual person that's important. Give a kid the freedom to be what they want to be by giving them a name that they can be anything with. Name a daughter "Amber" and I bet she'll never become a Justice of the Supreme Court, for example.

Again, naming a kid should really NOT be about the parents trying to find some name that THEY find to be really "elegant" or "powerful" -- etc. Give him a name he can be anything with, from a SCOTUS Justice to a fireman to a scientist to an artist. Something like -
John. Peter (Pete). James (Jim). Paul. Something like that. If someone in the family has a name like that and you want to pass it on, go ahead.

Give a kid a name that THEY can fill with meaning, simply by being themselves.

And finally, not to knock on you at all - this whole thing is just a huge pet peeve of mine -- but when parents start giving out names to supposedly express "elegance" or "power" or "originality" or what have you, 99% of the time, all they really express to the world is their BAD TASTE and BAD JUDGEMENT! (That, plus the fact someone's been spending way too many hours watching "the soaps".) :banghead:

[Guaranteed]

29. I actually agree with the two points that you made, there,

to begin with. However, I think you began to trail off when you said this:

"Give a kid the freedom to be what they want to be by giving them a name that they can be anything with. Name a daughter 'Amber' and I bet she'll never become a Justice of the Supreme Court, for example. "

It sounds as if what you're doing is advocating homogeneity. You're saying that a parent should avoid any kind of personality in a name for the sake of allowing the child to become what they like.

To begin with, I believe that children never fall far from their trees. I don't think that my children are going to be ALL that different from myself and my girlfriend. Although of course, as I grow and they grow, we'll have our differences. But I imagine that they're going to go through much the same stages that we did- and understand things in the same way.

Admittedly, this is one of the most stigmatized names, if not the most, out there.

But there is a beautiful, unexplored side to the name that could, in fact, become a great force for GOOD if given the chance.

On edit: Again, as far as the teasing- I really, really don't think that would happen. For the very same reasons that people would be scared. REALLY scared....mostly STUPID people, of course.

Now, he might actually need to avoid getting KILLED. That's something for us to think about.

[Guaranteed]

41. BTW...as far as this...

"but when parents start giving out names to supposedly express "elegance" or "power" or "originality""...

I don't think this is the same as naming your kid something "stupid." I know many of the examples that you're thinking of, but this is a real name that just happens to have a nasty stigma attached to it. I think it's a stigma that can very well be broken, too, while at the same time using the power of it.

You mentioned the "elegance"- are there other names that people have bequeathed on their children that are both elegant and tasteless?

I think you're transferring some feelings about other names. There are some really, really bad names out there. And while "Lucifer" is a bold, dramatic, attention-getting, and even risky name to give a child, I don't think you can put it on the same level as something Michael Jackson would do.

It's a real name- and it's not "Adolph."

[the_spectator]

93. You make some good points!

In this and the above post. Thanks for not taking offense to my rant either! Nice to meet you. :hi:

[Deja Q]

3. Lucy's brother?

:shrug:

The original show was called "I Love Lucifer" but then McCarthy blew his stack and demanded the roles reversed and the character renamed to "Lucy".

:rofl:

[caty]

4. Who are you planning on giving

this name to?

[Guaranteed]

9. Well, it's not a PLAN. Geez.

We're just tossing names around. We both agree that it has a lot of appeal to it...not the EVIL part...

But, for one, no one EVER names their kid Lucifer. And it COMMANDS respect. It's fear, is what it is, honestly....but...still...there's an ELEGANCE to the name.

[madeline_con]

6. It means "light"

I swear. :)

[trackfan]

18. light bearer

and it has the same basic weight as "morningstar"

[madeline_con]

21. I stand corrected.

Which gets me on a tangent about that whole Bible thing...

[Fescue4u]

7. It would go well with Dameon as a middle name

Time the conception right, and you could have the child on 6/6/2006

[Guaranteed]

11. LOL I swear my g/f likes that one too...

I am TOTALLY against Damean, or Damion, or whatever...g/f says it actually means "sweet and harmless," though, according to this website.

[swag]

8. Like the number 666, the name has been imbued with false power

I think it has some marketing potential.

[Guaranteed]

13. YES!!!

Yes, I think you've hit on something...

[Jeebo]

10. I had a black cat I named "Lucy"...

...short for "Lucifer." If she had been a black male cat, I would have named him "Luke." Lucy was a really sweet little girl, too. Very affectionate.

Ron

[Guaranteed]

32. Kick nt

[AntiCoup2K4]

33. Had a rabbit named "Lucifer" once. Jet black, of course

He earned that name too. Mean little bastard, probably still have a few scars on my arms from bunny damage.

[MrSlayer]

14. Lucifer was the most beautiful of angels.

I like the name. But if the myth wasn't behind it would it have the same power?

[Guaranteed]

20. This is the crux. Part...and I say ONLY part...of the power behind the

name is the mythical evil of it.

Not to get all religious or anything, but I feel like we'd be naming him Lucifer (if we ever had a son) for the same reasons that God named the angel Lucifer.

It's a beautiful, powerful name, with a cultural, mythical, psychological tint to it, that has advantages. And the good sides of the names have advantages, too.

[MrSlayer]

25. I'm not against it at all.

My opinion is do what you want. Lucifer is a cool name.

[carpetbagger]

15. Well, he is the prince of darkness, but you have a point.

I've never met a Lucifer who's been fucked with.

There is a hummingbird called a Lucifer Hummingbird. Hummingbirds are actually nasty, antisocial birds because of their need to control nectar sources. The only time I've ever seen a Lucifer Hummingbird at a feeder, it didn't take any crap.

[EstimatedProphet]

19. It's a great name if you want 24 hour nonstop fundies at your door.

[Tallison]

22. How about just plain Satan? It's a classic.

[Guaranteed]

23. No, see, that's not it. Not that we didn't know it would come up.

That's really way off what we're getting at.

There is more than just the evil aspect of the name that makes it significant. And the evil itself, in this society, will have it's advantages.

It is a very, very powerful name.

You can't deny the ELEGANCE of it.

[Tallison]

26. Sorry, couldn't help it...

But that's something that you know will come up throughout the child's life, too. "Lucifer" does have a strong resonance; nothing less would have suited the force to which it's Biblically ascribed. For some reason I see it working best with a girl whose gender would lend the appellation a more feminine, balanced temperance. And then there's always the nickname Luke, which I've always liked and think would work well with either a male or female. :D

Edited for grammar.

[Guaranteed]

31. I just talked to my dad about it, believe it or not.

He wasn't pleased about the idea. At all.

However, he did mention, like you, the possibility of shortening the name. He mentioned Luke and Lucian. The g/f really likes Lucian (and I suppose Luke, too).

[mitchum]

24. I've used "Lightborn" as a last name before...

it's Christopher Marlowe's take on Lucifer

[Fescue4u]

28. I kinda like DARTH

as in the Star Wars franchise

[Guaranteed]

30. I don't think it has quite the same kind of power.

Besides, Darth is more like a position than a name. Like "Judge Judy." With "Judge" replacing "Darth."

[Lilith Velkor]

64. can't...resist...tangent

I just pictured Darth Judy choking witnesses with her mind and throwing lightning at people who try to bullshit her. :scared:

[Robeson]

34. I think its cute, cuddly, and fun. Go for it!

[TimeChaser]

35. Lucifer used to be a very common name

It wasn't originally thought to be the name of the Christian devil, just as the bible never mentioned anything about horns or goat's feet. A long time ago Lucifer was a very popular boy's name because of the meaning.

And then someone decided that the Christian devil was named Lucifer :shrug:

[Guaranteed]

37. How long ago?

Any more history on that?

There might be something to actually going ahead and breaking this psychological block we have on that name.

[TimeChaser]

40. I'm afraid

I don't remember, I heard it a long time ago. It's popularity was definatly pre-middle ages, though.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

87. This should enlighten us all a little

No pun intended.

Lucifer was originally a name for Venus, the morning star or day star.

http://www.lds-mormon.com/lucifer.shtml

This partially details how the name made its way into the Bible and became associated with Satan.

I believe the primary poet who aided this confusion was Milton with Paradise Lost.

[XemaSab]

36. Good name for a hummingbird

n/t

[Tom Kitten]

38. Lucifer is a really dumb name for a kid...

"Loose-if-fur, oh Loose-if-fur! bring me my ozzie cds!

[Guaranteed]

42. LOL yeah right. As an eleven-year-old, I'm sure you would have had

those kind of cobbles.

Give me a break.

You're gonna fuck with the guy named LUCIFER? Yeah. RIGHT.

[Maddy McCall]

61. Yeah, he would get fucked with.

You don't have any foreknowledge of how this kid will turn out physically.


The name Lucifer does not impart into him some kind of metaphysical voodoo power. He's just a kid with a wonky name. He would be picked on, I am sad to say.

For your future child, please don't name him this.

[Guaranteed]

65. No, you're not looking at it correctly, psychologically.

In fact, the scrawnier and dorkier a child named "Lucifer" is, the SCARIER he is- at least to begin with. Lucifer wasn't powerful necessarily by the nature of his physical prowess. He was powerful by what he was willing to do.

And the scarier he is, the LESS likely he's going to be messed with. He's unpredictable.

Now, there are factors working both ways in this regard. The other children are going to get to know him and become more comfortable with him, scrawny or strong, the longer they are exposed to him. The unpredictability will wain. But the name will also lose its effect, in that time. It will lose its shock value. And, because it's a name with only shock-value in virtue of itself- it's not a name that children turn into something else for fun, like "Dick" or the like- the stigma will subside.

It's not the same dynamic

[Maddy McCall]

39. It's a good name, if you want your kid ostracized all the way through....

grade school.

C'mon. You can't be serious.

[Guaranteed]

43. Can you give me some insight as to why he would be ostracized? nt

[Maddy McCall]

44. LOL! Name him Lucifer, send him to grade school, and then...

stand there and watch the teacher's face when she asks him his name. And watch the other parents' faces.

Then watch little Lucifer play alone on the playground the next day, because all those parents will have gone home and told little Caleb and little Tiffany to stay way clear of the little devil boy.

[Robeson]

45. Oh come on Maddy, he could always take the heat off by naming the kid...

...Satan...;-)

[Maddy McCall]

47. Personally, I like Beelzebub.

Lucifer Beelzebub. :D

[Robeson]

54. LOL!!...

...:rofl: :rofl: Hey, can't wait till little Lucifer goes for his first job interview: "Hi Mr. Johnson, my name's Lucifer, and here's what I think I can bring to this organization..."

Hope Mom and Dad are planning to support him/her for the rest of their lives....

[Guaranteed]

68. You know, he might just say...

"Yessir. You're hired."

[Robeson]

71. Yeah, I'm sure under the increasingly conservatinve environment in...

...this country, thats exactly what he would say: "Come to our organization Lucifer, you're our kind of people..." :crazy:

[Guaranteed]

73. Yeah.

Yeah. That's a big part of the idea. You're getting it.

It's a name that DEMANDS respect, instantly.

I'm pretty sure it would get it, for the most part, with some other factors added in. The shock value in itself is enough to get someone's attention- no matter who they are.

[Guaranteed]

67. I think that's dorky as hell.

That child would be, unfortunately, riddled mercilessly on the playground with verbal barbs.

[Guaranteed]

50. That was my next thread.

No, actually it wasn't.

[Maddy McCall]

46. I take it back. Goths and vampires are naming their boys Lucifer.

So I guess it's a very "in" name if your goth or a vampire:

http://www.alternativebabynames.com/categories.html#Goth%20and%20Vampire%20Names

DARKER NAMES SUITABLE FOR GOTHS AND VAMPIRES


So you like the dark, do you? There's much to be said about the beauty of darkness, The moon and stars call darkness their home. Some of the worlds greatest romances were kindled in darkness. Remember, without the darkness there can be no light.

ATTENTION! You may find this list of Goth & Vampire names cut & pasted on other baby names websites. This list was taken without my permission. THIS WEBSITE (alternativebabynames.com) is the original creator and owner of this list.

Acheron, Alabaster, Amaranth, Argent, Ashes, Autumn, Abyss, Aura

Babylon, Belladonna, Blade, Bliss, Blue, Brink, Battle

Calamity, Chalice, Chaos, Chapel, Cinder, Crimson, Cyan, Century

December, Drachen, Drakkar, Draven, Dream, Dred, Dusk, Draegan

Ebony, Echo, Eclipse, Edge, Ember, Enigma, Essence, Eternity, Eventide

Fate, February, Forest, Forever, Friday, Frost

Garnet, Glacier, Glimmer, Gossamer, Gotham, Grail, Granite, Grey, Gusty

Hades, Hail, Halo, Haven

Icy, Imperia, Infinity, Innocent, Ivory, Ivy, Illusion

January, Jett, Jezebel, Jinx, Journey

Kaige, Kandyl, Kindle, Kindred

Labyrinth, Lace, Layre, Lazarus, Legacy, Legend, Leviathan, Lithia, Locke, London, Lore, Lucifer, Lucretia, Luna, Lynk, Lullaby

Maleficent, Mayze, Memory, Mercy, Midnight, Mink, Mirage, Mist, Monday, Morrow, Mystery, Myth

Nebula, Noire, November, Nightshade

Obsidian, October, Omen, Onyx

Pandora, Panther, Pardon, Parrish, Payne, Pentecost, Peregrine, Prysm

Rain, Ransom, Rapture, Rave, Raven, Refuge, Remember, Requiem, Rogue, Rosary

Sabbath, Sable, Sabre, Salem, Salvation, Satin, Scarlet, Seraphim, Shadow, Shayde, Siberia, Silence, Silver, Smoky, Snow, Solitude, Solstice, Spirit, Steele, Stone, Storm, Stryker, Sunday

Talon, Tempest, Temple, Thorne, Thunder, Trilogy, Trinket, Tsunami, Tuesday, Twilight, Tranqility

Vail, Velvet

Whisper, Willow, Winter, Wish, Wolf

Zaphara, Zen, Zephyr, Zillah, Zima, Zurie

[Guaranteed]

51. Are you trying to say I'm a Goth or a Vampire?

Damn.

Have you looked at my pic?

[Maddy McCall]

53. No, I'm not. But I just don't want you to fall into the trap of naming...

your kid Lucifer because it's all the rage among vampires and goths.

:D :hi:

[Guaranteed]

56. Well, I'm a pretty smart guy. I do alright.

In any case, you know, just because someone is named Lucifer, it doesn't mean that they're a bad person, or a Goth, or a Vampire. From this thread it sounds as if there have been a number of very good people named Lucifer. You shouldn't get down on them for that.

You know, for that matter, just because someone's a Goth doesn't mean they're a bad person.

Vampires...well, I don't exactly believe in them. But, go ahead and rail against them, if you like. If you think they're bad people.

[Maddy McCall]

57. Wow. You are serious.

I thought that your whole post was in jest.

Seriously, I am sorry. If that's what you want to name your kid, well, it's your kid. I had no idea that any of this was serious.

[Momgonepostal]

95. Geez, some of those are horrendous!

Who in their right mind would name a child Trinket? Or Tsunami?

There's a girl named Talon at my daughter's school. Somehow naming a child "Claw" is just not my style.

As for Lucifer...please...friend's don't let friends...

[Guaranteed]

48. Admittedly, the introductions would be slightly shocking.

However, in particular in grade school, children aren't quite so locked-into religious ideals, and teachers actually have a professional obligation to treat their students with respect. I'm pretty sure that the students would eventually get over the "evil" myth of the name, and I'd hope that the teacher would be both intelligent and mature enough to be able to do the same.

I'm actually slightly...not THAT...surprised at DU's reaction to this idea. You DO realize that the stigmatization of the name is based on a myth, right?

Would you support a child in his behavior if he refused to play with another child simply because the other child was named Lucifer?

You're just talking about a child's name, here.

[Maddy McCall]

55. Heck no! I've always told my son...

"Now son, you are to be open-minded, and to play with children regardless of their physical appearance, the color of their skin, and the negative connotations of their devilish name."

:D

Seriously, I've never come across anything like that.

[Guaranteed]

58. It sounds as if you're being sarcastic.

It sounds as if you think that judgment by someone's race, religion, gender or sexual orientation is off limits when it comes to ostracizing people.

But, then, when it comes to a child's name, which is equally of no fault of their own, it's just "game on," eh?

[Maddy McCall]

62. Reread the spectator's post above.

I couldn't agree with any post as much as I agree with his.

[Guaranteed]

66. Fraid you need to be more specific. nt

[Maddy McCall]

70. Were I as eloquent as the_spectator, I would have crafted a post...

identical to his. It is a very strong warning against naming kids extremely unusual names.

[Guaranteed]

72. Ahhh....well then I'd just respond to yours, if you were as eloquent,

in the same way that I did his.

[Maddy McCall]

74. I posted my responses to you as if you were joking...

I certainly would have tried to be more eloquent, had I known that you were serious.

Over and out.

[Guaranteed]

75. No, you didn't. You even made another thread in an

attempt to satirize what I'm saying- about an hour and a half ago, I believe.

Unfortunately, you were so utterly confused regarding the concepts and diction at work here that your thread didn't really apply to this one in any sense at all. I don't think that whoring or funny names for the devil with "z"'s in them really capture the essence of the name "Lucifer" or what it means socially for people at all.

[Maddy McCall]

76. Ok. Let me leave this thread with this parting thought.

Do you see how defensive of the name Lucifer that you've had to be throughout this thread. Now imagine the real world, where most people aren't as liberal as the overwhelming majority of DUers.

The decision is ultimately yours. Just remember that your kid is the one who will have to live with the decision you make.

[Guaranteed]

77. No, let me leave you with this one:

Do you see how you've been attacking a name stigmatized by pure myth?



Why would someone do that?

[Maddy McCall]

78. Because mythology has power.

If you've noticed, you're using that same mythological power to defend your future son's name. "No one would fuck with him, etc. with a name like Lucifer."

You are as guilty of stimatizing the name as you are accusing others of being.

[fortyfeetunder]

83. I can see that happening in a Christian school

The poor kid might be used for exorcism demos....

[Lilith Velkor]

49. I like it.

I once met a young man whose name was Lucifer (his parents were Satanists). He said he didn't like it when he was younger, but he had grown to appreciate it, and that people who can handle the fact that it's his actual name are cooler than most.

[Guaranteed]

52. That was an amazing post.

BTW another name we were considering was Lilith (from my g/f).

We're not Satanists. However, I think there is really something to that name. Look at the reaction it gets from those like Maddy.

[Lilith Velkor]

60. Another lovely name. ;)

Both are not only darkly powerful, they sound nice.

[BreweryYardRat]

59. I like it.

I like it a lot.

Make sure he's in shape, and, like you said, he shouldn't ever have to worry about taking crap from people in grade school.

Plus he can pick up Goth chicks real easy. ;)

[Guaranteed]

63. Do you think someone should have to be a Satanist, or even on

the "dark side" of life, to name their child Lucifer?

[BreweryYardRat]

92. Nope.

Just saying he could pick up Goth chicks real easy. You're reading too much into this. :)

[Hissyspit]

69. Venus as the morning star near the horizon, the light-bringer 'fallen from

heaven.' Origin of the term from Latin.

[REP]

79. Beautiful, but Effeminate for a Boy. Good Name For a Match.

[NMMNG]

80. It's pretty catchy

But it does have that "satan" association to it. I just can't imagine a human getting along well with that name, particularly nowadays with the current fundie-wingnut revivalism going on. The person would be branded as evil incarnate, a blasphemer.

Atheists like myself would scoff at those notions of course.

[NuttyFluffers]

81. I'd recommend Hastur instead.

1. Most people don't recognize it

2. It sounds pretty cool

3. Those who'd recognize it would be thoroughly amused (or downright scary -- which afterwards would turn into amusing, so...)

4. It's fun to think that you can refer to your child as "He who shall not be named!"

5. Any child who decides to tease him by repeating his name will face the wrath of a great and powerful living god. Well, it makes a great by-line.

[jmm]

82. Sebastian wasn't ok but this is?

Speaking as someone born with the perfect porn name I thank God I was able to talk my mom into letting me change it before I understood the way some people could interpret it. Children won't pick on the name as early as most but it will come eventually. It'll start with their parents who won't trust their little ones to play with your Lucifer at your house.

Doesn't matter how strong the name may seem if you're as serious as you claim then bookmark this thread because I guarantee you Lucifer will get fucked with and it'll be even worse than if his name sounded like bastard. Once he tries to defend himself by saying the positive aspects of his name it will only get worse.

If your that desperate for a strong name try Steel.

p.s.
I know two Christian who are atheists and on who is an agnostic. Maybe your little Lucifer will become a fundy?

[Shell Beau]

84. I just equate it with

evil. It was the name of Satan before he became Satan (I think). But it is scary. Don't do that to a poor little child. He'll get teased endlessly.

[Taverner]

90. Interesting story on that actually

Lucifer did not come into play as the devils name until the Latin Vulgate translation of the bible when it was cannonized. The Hebrew books (the OT) refer to the Devil simply as "deceiver" or "adversary." Sometimes they refer to him as "Beezelbub" which is a bastardazation of the Babylonian God (?) Baal. Even the NT revers to him as either Satan or Deceiver.

The jury is out on the name Lucifer, which was a fairly common name in Pre-Christian Rome. Perhaps someone who was not on the up-and-up with the ruline Roman powers, perhaps?

[DS1]

85. Our LuCiFeR gets fucked with all the time

:shrug:

[Terran]

86. Don't do it.

Just don't. Don't fuck with a kid's life that way.

[Taverner]

88. Alan Parsons named his child Lucifer

Means bearer of light...

[Jara sang]

89. It means "Light-bearer" in Latin.

and is associated with Venus which is why it is probably a horrible name now a days.

[northzax]

91. I don't like it

but only because it's archaic, combined with the probability that it will get shortened to Lucy, and I hate the name Lucy.

what about something nice and classical? Jeremiah, or wait ofr it, Ozymandius?

[dancing kali]

94. I love the name.

I think it's a very elegant. And yes, it would set a whole lot of heads spinning. Which I consider to be a bonus.

Personally, as a name, I don't find it to be anymore evil sounding than any of the other angelic names. I don't think the name would have the same "strength" without the baggage of the mythology.

Naming children... Kids will latch on to anything to tease another kid about. Unusual names are only one of the possibilities. Most teachers will adopt some diminutive form that is more socially acceptable if they happen to be offended by the name. Only the most asshole of parents would tell their kid not to play with another kid because of a name.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

96. little nickie