"To find a girl's faults, praise her to her friends."

[redqueen]

I've seen this quote ascribed to Ben Franklin, and also the ubiquitous Anonymous.

My gripe is this: WTF ... "girls"? What, "boys" don't do this? (Yeah, some lie to themselves, but they're no different... fuckers.)

:grr:

[MrScorpio]

1. 12 and below

Let's leave it at that

[progmom]

2. ugh

all the way around. ugh.

[redqueen]

6. Tell me about it!

FUCK... I wish sexuality was a choice.

[Debi]

3. I still consider myself a girl

I'm a mom and an adult, but I still feel youthful and carefree at times and don't want to deal with all that womanhood entails. (my husband is still a boy on 'boy's golf day' or times when he and our son are playing basket ball outside 'boys time' where 'girls are not allowed'.

[dolo amber]

4. I don't get it...

:shrug:

[kick-ass-bob]

5. it means that if you say something good about the "girl"

her friends will tell you everything that's wrong with her.

it's not too nice.

[redqueen]

7. Hmmmm...

Maybe I *should* have a crush on you. :P

[kick-ass-bob]

31. HA!

:D

:hi:

[Shell Beau]

9. It isn't nice at all but I have to say

that I know some girls that are like what he describes.

[progmom]

10. some. of course.

it's the generalizing that is so ugly.

[Shell Beau]

13. Absolutely. Agreed.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

19. Yup...I've heard plenty of men do the same thing.

It's a human quality, I'm sorry to report.

[Shell Beau]

32. Yes unfortunately it is!

[dolo amber]

11. Well, to be fair that's not altogether untrue

Not all "girls" do that, but some do. Some guys do too. People suck. :(

[Debi]

14. Now THAT'S not a generalization.....

:eyes:

(How about Mean People Suck....)

[redqueen]

18. Why the rolly eyes for this generalization, but not that one? n/t

[Debi]

24. I didn't get it....

I thought you all were pissed about the girl comment. (I do have to say I can't think of one female "friend" I had in high school who didn't dish dirt on me).

Now that I get it, a double :eyes: :eyes: for Ben....and I was just jokin with dolo....

[redqueen]

29. Oh...

Duh... just ignore me. :blush:

[Debi]

38. No, I'm glad you said something so I could redeem myself from

sounding so stupid in the earlier post. And if someone asked me about you I'd only say nice things....heh heh :7

[dolo amber]

21. Ok, mean people suck too

:P

[Debi]

26. .....

:hi:

[SouthoftheBorderPaul]

46. Uh...SOME peole suck

;)

[jpgray]

8. Whereas you can just ask a guy's friends (nt)

[Logiola]

12. ooh.. good album, i have not listend to that in years.. thanks for

the reminder

[Blue-Jay]

15. Oh, for cryin' out loud.

You're really going to get upset about something said by a guy who is two hundred years' dead?

[jpgray]

17. He also said "all Jasons are dicks"

:shrug:

[Blue-Jay]

20. He'd be correct, in that case!

[jpgray]

23. "Squirrel" is one of my all-time fave DU sig pics.

[kick-ass-bob]

30. I love the squirrel, too.

It always makes me laugh.

[progmom]

33. me too!

:hi:

[redqueen]

25. Guess what?

Guys are still spewing it, and dumbass chicks are still saying "haha, that's so true!"

It pisses me off, is that not okay with you?

[Blue-Jay]

Ben Franklin pisses you off?

That's....um....different.

Plus, I doubt that "guys are still spewing it", as it's the first time I remember ever hearing such a statement. I think you're just looking for a little bit more (in this case) than actually exists.

Also, you need not ask my approval if something pisses you off. I neither hold your mood in approval nor disapproval. I merely thought that you were applying 20th (or 21st) century standards to an 18th century dead guy.

[redqueen]

40. No... the fact that people are this fucking stupid pisses me off.

You're calling me a liar now, huh?

Do I need to link to the thread where it's being giggled about? Will you stop calling me a liar then?

:eyes:

[Blue-Jay]

45. I never said anything of the sort.

If my statements have been misinterpreted, I sincerely apologize for not being more clear. I have no interest in a pissing contest about who said what to whom in any other thread, either.

[redqueen]

48. .

"I doubt that "guys are still spewing it", as it's the first time I remember ever hearing such a statement. I think you're just looking for a little bit more (in this case) than actually exists."

How else can that be interpreted, other than "no they're not".

[Blue-Jay]

OK.

Whatever you say.

[tigereye]

51. well I don't know any guys who say that kind of stuff currently

and most of my WOMEN friends, don't talk trash about each other for the most part. I do think guys joke more about their buddies' limitations sometimes, as a "joking with the guys" bonding- ritual kind of thing. At least that's what I have seen with some groups of men that I have spent time with.

but that kind of thinking can be tedious, yes.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

16. To be fair, if it IS Ben Franklin...

seriously, we're talking about 18th Century here. There was no such thing as political correctness.

Yes, it's absolutely wrong by today's standards, but women were still property back then. Being referred to as "girls" was probably progressive.

[kick-ass-bob]

27. probably somewhat true about the 'girls' part

but, the real meaning of the quote is still pretty shitty.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

34. Okay, but you still miss the point of what I'm saying.

It'd be like if any of us Americans got offended when we look back on some of the demeaning comments made by the British back when we were just their colonies. It's a complete lack of historical perspective.

[kick-ass-bob]

42. gotcha.

:thumbsup:

[One_Life_To_Give]

36. Yes and no

Depends on how you interpret it.

One meaning would be that if you ask a womans female friends what her faults are. They will not tell you. Only by duplicitous means can you get them to reveal any of her faults.

[johnnie]

22. Hmm

:popcorn:

[One_Life_To_Give]

28. What was the 18th century connotation

Actually I have heard this term "Girls" used very affectionately in the 20th century.

[redqueen]

37. Are "girls" the only people engaging in this sort of behavior?

I say no.

I think "boys" do it just as much, if not more. Especially if they think it'll help them get in your pants.

[One_Life_To_Give]

39. In my experience

Boys will answer the direct question.
No need for any subterfuge to get the real information from them.

[jpgray]

41. Yep, them boys will do anything to get into a girl's pants

Now how do we play this? Is it like tennis? Do I bat a generalization about girls in your direction now?

[tigereye]

52. fair point, JP

[SOteric]

35. I'd say 'girls' is probably correct in this situation.

I like to think that 'women' aren't quite so petty.

If there can be a host of ways to separate the men from the boys, it seems resonable that there are ways to separate the women from the girls as well.

[redqueen]

44. I should've worded the OP more carefully.

I don't object to his use of the term "girls"... I object to his assertion that this is a trait that only females posess.

[pdx_prog]

43. It SHOULD be...

"To find a girl's faults, praise her to her mother."

[EstimatedProphet]

47. No, "boys" don't do that. Sorry.

What men will do is talk about each other only around people they already know, and know the target individual.

[newportdadde]

49. I've had 40 year old female coworkers say 'girls'.

Such as 'the girls and I went to the lake'.

As far as Ben Franklin.. we must be doing pretty good as a society if you have to look back 200 years ago for things to be 'offended' by or else you have a lot of spare time.

[redqueen]

50. Read the OP again.

It's not the term that's the problem.

Also, I said upthread the reason this came up is that guys are STILL spewing it.

Sheesh.