Meg White is the greatest untalented drummer in rock. Discuss.

[Beware the Beast Man]

And she's cute, too. :D

[Zuni]

1. are you saying a drummer's chair is a man's place?

:popcorn:

[Beware the Beast Man]

4. Umm, no I'm not.

Please don't set me up for a pile-up. I will personally drive to Maryland and steal your soul if you do. :P

[WCGreen]

2. I oculd care less who is sittin gin the drummers seat....

i just like the music....

[progmom]

3. she's gotten better though

hasn't she?

[Beware the Beast Man]

5. Defintely. I'm listening to "Get Behind Me Satan" right now.

I like her style, that's why I said "greatest untalented drummer," because she had no original aspirations to be a musician. Now, if only she'll take singing lessons...

[progmom]

6. i haven't listened to that yet

but i love the cover.

[Beware the Beast Man]

7. It's really good.

Not as heavy as "Elephant" (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), and it seems as if Jack White has discovered the marimba...

[progmom]

8. "not as heavy as elephant"

:thumbsup:

[Zuni]

9. It sounds like Jack White has been listening to too much Robert Johnson

"get Behind Me Satan" could easily have been a Robert johnson or Skip James Lyric from the 1930s. Johnson especially favored satan themes in his music like "hellhound on My Trail" or "Me and the Devil Blues"


Actually, I think Jack White is an exceptional blues player. He rocks the slide and pays homage to greats from the past. I know people who went out and bought Delta blues recordings after they got into the White Stripes

[Beware the Beast Man]

11. Wait. I thought "Get Behind Me Satan" was a Jesus lyric...

Those bluesmen always copped each others stuff...:D

[Zuni]

23. they did cop each other's stuff

Some of Robert Johnson's best bits were copped from others--Hellhound on My Trail is a lot like Skip James's "Devil Got My Woman", for example.

Muddy Water's early Chicago record "I feel Like Going Home" is ripped from Robert johnson's "Walking Blues" which in turn is heavily influenced by Son House's "My Black mama"

[Fenris]

13. Is there really such a thing as too much Robert Johnson?

Except maybe for that Eric Clapton record where he just covered Robert Johnson songs. That crosses a line.

[Beware the Beast Man]

16. Yes. It's called the first three Led Zeppelin albums.

[Fenris]

18. ...

:rofl:

So what does that say about the last Led Zepplin records?

[Zuni]

20. actually, Zep ripped off Muddy waters, Howlin' Wolf and others more

than Johnson

The Lemon Song was a poor rip off of Howlin' Wolf's "killin' Floor", with the famous Robert Johnson line from "Terraplane Blues" about lemon squeezing thrown in. Howlin Wolf, I think won a lawsuit against Zeppelin shortly before he died.

Whole Lotta Love, like I so famously pointed out several months ago, was ripped off a Muddy Waters record called "You need Love" credited to Willie Dixon, but Dixon only wrote the lyrics---Earl Hooker originally recorded it as an insturmental blues and Muddy overdubbed lyrics on it. Dixon didn't win his court battle with Zep until 1987, a few years before he died. Muddy was already dead for several years.

Zep also covered Muddy Waters "You Shook Me" and Otis Rush's "I Can't Quit You Baby", both credited to Dixon.

In the Song "how Many More Times", Zep steals part of Albert king's "the Hunter"

Dazed and Confused was ripped off someone else, too, but the lyrics were changed

[Beware the Beast Man]

22. Yeah, at least Clapton acknowledged his roots.

As did several other British bluesmen. Zep? Not so much.

[Zuni]

24. Calpton and the Stones, Mayall, Peter green, the Yardbirds

all of those bands paid royalties. Zep just straight stole other people's stuff, changed the arrangement and the lyrics a little and called it their own

[Zuni]

17. not for me

I could listen to Robert johnson all day and all night. But then again, blues and soul and classic R and B is almost all I listen to anyway

[madrchsod]

15. "portland oregon" just maybe a direction he is heading

or maybe he just wanted loretta to kiss him......

[Tallison]

19. If you like Delta/slide blues

check out Robert Lighthouse sometime if you're ever in the DC area. Case study in why talent doesn't necessarily translate into commercial success. It confounds all his fans, but Robert never seems to give a shit. I think he's the area's most formidable talent since Danny Gatton died.

Edit for link: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ror3

[Zuni]

21. I live right outside DC

well, more like 40 miles or so, In Annapolis.

I will check that out.

[enigmatic]

10. Mo Tucker gets that nod from me:

[Withywindle]

25. Oh hell yes.

But "untrained" is not the same thing as "untalented." Obviously she has mucho raw natural talent to sound so perfect for those records, to make egotistical artsy geniuses like Lou Reed and John Cale respect the hell out of her (which they did, and AFAIK, still do).

Full disclosure: I corresponded with her a little some 10 years ago. She's one of the coolest people to ever play rock'n'roll. Get her started on politics and labor sometime! (Fucking Wal-Mart. Goddamn!)

[madrchsod]

12. well i think she`s doing what needs to be done

within the music they play...wow isn`t that insightful.....i`ve liked them since i first heard them.

[Beware the Beast Man]

14. My point exactly.

Sorry if I was a bit obtuse.