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friesianrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 10:37 PM
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Dramatic (and long) update on my friend's pregnant drama queen sister...
Well, the baby shower for my friend's pregnant sister was Saturday. If you'll remember, the pregnant sister of my friend has had one drama-queen moment after another and insisted my friend drive her 2 hours one way to one of pregnant sister's friends baby showers. My friend finally ended up putting her foot down with pregnant sister being such a baby about her pregnancy and insisting everyone wait on her 24 hours a day. So that was Saturday and me, my friend, the pregnant sister, and the family were all to have brunch Sunday morning. This brunch was to celebrate their grandmother's 84th birthday and sister #2's completion of her Master's degree.

We arrive, kiss and hug everyone including the pregnant sister, and everything seems fine between pregnant sister and my friend. My friend and I are sitting at a round table across from pregnant sister and sister #2. As most of the table is getting up for food, I glance at sister #2 and see her absolutely flustered and collapsed in tears. I immediately see pregnant sister leaned across her husband, finger pointed at sister #2 completely railing on her. I was really very unsure what to do, because sister #2 is about the sweetest person you'll ever meet, and it is supposed to be HER celebration and pregnant sister is apparently saying something to make her cry. I wanted to go across to sister #2 and comfort her, but did not feel like it was best to get involved. Apparently, sister #2 had come to my friend's defense and said what many of us have felt for a long time, which is that pregnant sister is acting like a spoiled baby and is being way too dependant on her mother and the rest of her family to solve her own adult problems. Pregnant sister took this opportunity to completely ream out sister #2, make her cry, CONTINUE for another 5 minutes to rail on sister #2, then literally - in the middle of brunch at a fancy restaurant - stomp out of the room. Her husband of course rushed right after her, and the sisters' mother (who continually coddles her) followed. It was more than apparent, given pregnant sister's love of drama, that she wanted my friend to run after her and start coddling and babying her. My friend chose not to do it for that reason. They all eventually came back and it was a very uncomfortable rest of the morning.

When pregnant sister finally left, everyone hugged, said the I love yous, and my friend and I went out. Around 10 pm that night, my friend's mother calls her cell phone, crying and carrying on that pregnant sister is having "extreme depression" and that she "thinks she is going to go into labor from all this stress." The mother starts crying and BEGGING my friend to call pregnant sister and "just tell her how much you love her and that you're sorry." Naturally, my friend said she did not feel she had anything to apologize for, but she would send her an email when she got home because it was so late.

Email was sent and apparently that has only further infuriated pregnant sister, because my friend said that she was under the impression this issue was over and that she felt like it was inappropriate for her to make her sister cry at her own party, and that it was inappropriate for her to get the entire family involved in what is a matter between 2 people. Apparently, pregnant sister wanted a full-on "you're so wonderful!", "we all love you so much more than anyone else!" and "we're so sorry that you're a baby". Pregnant sister wrote back saying that she understands where we all stand now and she'll "never again ask us for anything as long as she lives." :eyes:

I'm sure that this will again lead to pregnant sister calling the mother again threatening to harm herself or some other equally dramatic ploy for attention, but I'm just unsure what to tell my friend. All these women are like my own sisters, so obviously we love pregnant sister but all of us (except for their mother) are having serious concerns for this child she is about to give birth to in about a month. We're worried that she *literally* won't be able to handle the labor or the actual challenge of being a parent.

Is there any polite way to handle this? I can only see this behavior continuing and while we all love pregnant sister, we are not going to raise this child for her. Cutting her off is not an option, but what else can we do? Any advice is desperately needed, and thanks for reading all this and any possible suggestions.
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 10:48 PM
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1. That's pretty heavy dude.
Can't say I've ever been in a situation like that, so I don't know what to say. Except sorry you have to deal with that. :(

Have any of you sat down with preg. sis and talked about it? Maybe preg. sis needs a dose of reality- but one thing I can say is if she has one person doting on her continuously, reality she will not taste.

I dunno. If yall are worried for the coming child, I think best course of action would be to try to be the best aunts you can and spend lots of time with the little kiddo.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 10:54 PM
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2. I strongly suggest that you return to your previous thread on this lady,
and re-read the excellent advice that was given to you there...

She's a mess, and I suspect a threat to her child. Perhaps the MD should be involved...

Has this sick young lady considered having a nanny to raise her son?

That just might save his life...

I see this situation as continuing to deteriorate...

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friesianrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:07 PM
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4. We've talked about it, however...
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 11:10 PM by friesianrider
How do you kindly tell an over-emotional mother-to-be (or, that woman's fanatically protective and enabling, coddling mother) that you think she is having some major problems with selfishness, dependency, and immaturity, and you think she needs to grow up already?

Unfortunately, this is the type of family which never fights and avoids confrontation and arguments at all costs. They have been going WAY out of their way for years and years now to appease this girl, and the parents expect whoever pregnant sister is targeting to "be the bigger person" and kiss her ass to make her happy and stop the fighting. By doing this over and over, they practically acknowledge that pregnant sister is a whiney spoiled baby, and because of it everyone else just has to deal with it or get a guilt trip for "causing a fight."
My friend and I even talked about it and my friend's exact words were: how do you nicely tell your 8-month-pregnant sister that you think she is being a paranoid, over-sensitive child and needs to stop depending on everyone to solve her problems...and may need some serious help? This family is extremely excited for the new baby and doesn't want to accept that pregnant sister may actually need to grow up and stop being such a child. Telling them, my friend and I both fear, may mean being outcasted from the family who so desperately tries to coddle pregnant sister at all costs.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:19 PM
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8. "may need serious help"???? "may ..need to grow up..."????
You can drop the word may...she definitely does need help...and she sure as heck needs to grow up....

If I were you (and I'm not) I would get the HELL out of her life...

I've been around dysfunctional people before, and when they refuse to change I get out.

Just for my own sanity...

I don't see any progress here from your last post....
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friesianrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 12:50 AM
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13. I have a confession - I have left out one important detail.
This "friend" is actually my boyfriend. We've been together off and on for 4 years now, and as we've gotten older we've both started to truly believe we will end up together. If so, that means this crazy girl will be my sister-in-law and her unborn baby my nephew - that is very heavy to me obviously. I want to be close with my future husband's family and have good relationships with them. That's why I'm so hesitant to really speak up or get out of her life - trust me, if that situation weren't what it is, I would take your advice you just posted!

My family is not large, and my parents only had one sibling between the two of them and he never had children, so it is important to me that my children grow up with their cousins and stuff - I missed that a lot when I was a kid. I don't want to burn bridges with pregnant sister, but as you can tell the situation is deteriorating it seems and is almost certain to get worse. I want to say something, but I also am not going to be walked on nor do I take it lightly that my boyfriend is getting dragged into this and upset by this girl's irrational behavior. My relationship with pregnant sister's mother is good, but I know she would very much look down on me saying anything or suggesting that the mother cut the cord here.

Given that info, do you think there is there anything I can do and still maintain a good relationship with the family?
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 01:59 AM
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14. Now this is a very interesting wrinkle...
I suggest that you marry your boyfriend, and then move the other side of the country...

Now of course I'm kidding...but I have no real suggestions...but if you are going to be part of this family, then I think you need to intervene somehow...

Your little possible nephew's life and upbringing are at stake...

You need to talk to a psychiatrist/psychologist about this...IMHO...

Or some sort of family therapist..This situation is beyond me..and you...

You are in a tough spot, and I feel for you...but I feel sorrier for this innocent baby who will soon be here...
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 10:59 PM
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3. Hopefully she matures after the birth.
Just be a friend, give her support. Sorry I can't think of anything better.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:15 PM
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5. Pregnancy can mess with and screw up hormones
so that even normal people go a little bit crazy. But pregnant sis sounds beyond the pale. It also sounds as if she is being (and has been all her life) enabled by mommy dearest.

My advice? Slowly back away and save yourself. Period. Anything else will only bring more trauma to you.
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Spock_is_Skeptical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:16 PM
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6. I seriously am concerned about the well-being of the kid...
I've seen people suffer through mothers like your friend's pregnant sister, and it's not pretty. I don't know what advice to give other than getting her into some kind of serious therapy or counseling.

I hope all turns out well!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:19 PM
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7. Wow. I am so sorry for you, your friend, and the fetus.
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 11:20 PM by BlueIris
This part, "just tell her how much you love her and that you're sorry." Just kills me. Good for your friend for having the self-respect to stand up to the insanity. Pregnant sister needs to get some of that. Self-esteem wouldn't hurt either. I'm sure you love DQ, and that's great--you're a better person than I am, obviously--but DAMN. I mean, I've been there, with the no-self-esteem-having-blues, but I never took it out on strangers in public like that. That is...way beyond. She's planned for adequate pain management during the labor, right? She's had parenting classes? You might want to recommend those things, if you get an opportunity.
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friesianrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 12:10 AM
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9. I am DYING to speak my mind.
But doing so would likely result in my losing my head and REALLY telling this girl what I think of her and likely end my relationship with their family, which is practically my family. I've tried to stay out of it and elect instead to post about it here, lol./

She has been taking classes to prepare for the labor, but so far not parenting classes. The way this family is, I'm sure my even suggesting parenting classes would offend them "why, of COURSE pregnant sister will be an excellent mother!" - like, suggesting them would mean I think she's ill-equipped to be a parent. She is ULTRA competitive as far as materialistic goods go. She had to have an over-the-top wedding, honking engagement ring, huge brand new home, and a summer house. I am beyond convinced she only got pregnant for the romantic novelty of "having a baby." She will undoubtedly be wholly unprepared for labor, the one-hours-worth-of-sleep each night and being a responsible parent. She acts like a 5-year-old herself! She's spoiled to no end by her mother and her husband and they both completely enable her behavior.

I am not comfortable writing this girl off (for doing so would mean writing off my friend too), so I guess maybe I'll just have to strike some sort of balance here? I'm just finding it increasingly difficult to bite my tongue while she exploits everyone else and uses them because she's a whiney brat. When this kid comes, I'm not going to be happy never seeing my friend again because pregnant sister is "really depressed lately" or some other BS excuse for why she can't watch the kid so everyone is expected to "call pregnant sister and tell her you love her and kiss her ass."

It's sick and they're enabling a spoiled, selfish womanonly hurting the kid, I only wish there was some way I could express this without losing their family who I love like my own. So far I can't see how this could be accomplished...
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 12:19 AM
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12. Well, obviously you'd have to be asked for your opinion...
and I'm not saying that if you are not asked you should just offer it up--'cause, of couse, it's not your business (and it probably wouldn't help)--but as I posted above...it's way beyond. And I hate to post it, but, er, um,

"But doing so would likely result in my losing my head and REALLY telling this girl what I think of her and likely end my relationship with their family, which is practically my family. I've tried to stay out of it and elect instead to post about it here, lol."

...if you said something, and they never wanted to speak to you again, would that be the worst thing in the universe? I'm sure you would miss them, but I'm also sure you wouldn't miss their crazy.
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 12:14 AM
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10. as far as the labor is concerned, get her a doula!
that will help with that part, and possibly alleviate her anxiety, making her more bearable for everyone else.

www.dona.org

sounds like she has problems beyond the hormones, and they are just exacerbating the issues.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 12:19 AM
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11. Hey there fleabert!
Excellent suggestion, IMHO...and a wet nurse too, while you're at it...This spoiled young woman willl never nurse her son, and he deserves to be...

The whole situation is just appalling...
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 03:01 AM
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15. I read that you are involved in this soap opera through a friend...
my advice is to run, like the wind, away from this mess. It is obviously a no-win situation.
"the only way to win is not to play" - WOPR - Wargames
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