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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 05:54 PM
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The big "C". Everything you wanted to know about basal cell carcinoma.
OK, it's not the "BIG" big "C", just the small one.

Had my annual check up with the dermatologist last Wednesday.
Spot on my back, one on my chest, and one about a half an inch under my right eye looked "suspicious".
Back and chest "probably nothing", but the eye bump looked like it might be a "little basal cell carcinoma".
Shaved a bit of all three for biopsies. Painless.

Got the results today. Back and chest not cancer, but the eye bump is basal cell. Go in a week from Thursday for surgical excision.
The drill is that he whacks out what looks like all of the growth and I wait for an hour and a half while they biopsy that. If they got it all, I get sewn up and go home and that's about it. If it looks like he didn't, we go back in a do a little more.

About me:
I grew up in the 40s and 50s when we didn't know about ultraviolet skin damage. It was cool and "healthy" to have a good tan. Many's the summer I worked on mine. A few times I overdid it and burned. Even blistered a couple of times. And then there was my summer as a lifeguard in Myrtle Beach. SUN CITY! I'm sure I qualify for what is termed "chronic sun exposure" below.

So...you guys check each other out for strange looking "spots". If you can, see a dermatologist once a year. Especially if you're in or approaching "seniorhood".

Although this is said to be the "best" kind of skin cancer you can have, I'll sure appreciate all the good karma you can send my way.

Here's the rest of what you always wanted to know:

Background: Basal cell carcinoma (BCC) is the most common malignancy in humans. It typically occurs in areas of chronic sun exposure. BCC is usually slow growing and rarely metastasizes, but it can cause significant local destruction and disfigurement if neglected or treated inadequately. Prognosis is excellent with proper therapy.

Frequency:
In the US: Annual incidence is 900,000 people (550,000 male, 350,000 female). Age-adjusted incidence per 100,000 white individuals is 475 in men and 250 in women. The estimated lifetime risk of BCC in the white population is 33-39% in men and 23-28% in women.
Mortality/Morbidity: BCC can cause significant morbidity if allowed to progress. Because this cancer most commonly affects the head and neck, cosmetic disfigurement is not uncommon. Loss of vision or the eye may occur with orbital involvement. Perineural spread can result in loss of nerve function, as well as much deeper and extensive invasion of the tumor. These neoplasms are often very friable and prone to ulcerate, providing a nidus for infection. Death due to BCC is extremely rare.

Race: BCC is generally a disorder of white individuals, especially those with very fair skin. It is rare in individuals with dark skin.

Sex: The male-to-female ratio is approximately 3:2.

Age: BCC most commonly occurs in adulthood, especially in the elderly population.

History: Patients often present with a nonhealing sore of varying duration. These lesions typically are seen on the face, ears, scalp, neck, or upper trunk. Very mild trauma, such as face washing or drying with a towel, initially may cause bleeding. A history of chronic recreational or occupational sun exposure commonly is elicited. Often, intense sun exposure occurred in childhood or young adulthood.

Surgical Excision
Surgical excision is a technique that involves the use of a scalpel to excise (cut out) the cancerous tissue. The area of the cancer is numbed using a local anesthetic, and a small measurement of 2-4 mm of normal skin surrounding the lesion is made. The cancer plus surrounding normal skin is then removed by incision with the scalpel blade. Stitches are placed to bring the adjacent wound edges together. In some cases, extra skin may be mobilized or taken from a distant site, in order to cover the surgical defect (flap or graft). Pain during treatment is minimal and post-operatively, may feel comparable to that of a >bruise=. Surgical excision may require 1-2 post operative visits (including suture removal), and heals more rapidly than that of ED&C and cryosurgery. The cosmetic result is superior to the previously mentioned techniques, but is dependent upon the size and location of the tumor. The overall chance of a cure with surgical excision may range from 94-98% (This statistic would be lower in high risk areas of the face, and with the treatment of larger and more aggressive tumors). The long term side effects include scarring, and rarely, nerve damage. An advantage of excision is that the margins of the excision specimen can be checked microscopically by a pathologist.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 05:59 PM
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1. Well trof, I wish you good luck with the procedure.
Sounds like you have a great chance to beat this! :hug:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:00 PM
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4. Thanks Bunny. Piece a cake.
;-)
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:00 PM
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2. Thank you for the info, Trof...
I'll have you in my thoughts. Keep us posted, ok? :hug:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:01 PM
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7. Shoot, you'll get a blow-by-blow.
This is grist for an article I can get paid actual cash money for.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:07 PM
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11. 900,000?
:D

Good luck getting it all out! And thanks for the sunshine reminders!
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:10 PM
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13. Aha! Time for another up date.
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 06:10 PM by trof
I'll resurrect the old thread.
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:00 PM
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3. Hope he whacks it all out the first time
Best of luck, trof. Thank you for the information. cmd
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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:00 PM
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5. You will be fine,
BCC does not metastasize, it just grows in a linear fashion from the original site.

Most likely during your procedure frozen sections will be done on the margins, allowing quick diagnosis.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:03 PM
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9. Thanks Doctor Dave.
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 06:06 PM by trof
And no sarcasm intended.
You sound like you know whereof you speak.
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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:06 PM
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10. No doctor,
but I do work as a histotechnologist. I have performed hundreds of frozen sections, and if things are caught early the outcome is very good.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:23 PM
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17. Many thanks for your input.
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:01 PM
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6. All will be well - don't fret.
You may even have saved some lives today.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:08 PM
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12. Well, saving lives would be a good thing.
These are rarely fatal. Not unless it has progressed for years, from what I gather.
Still, sooner is better.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:02 PM
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8. You'll be okay!
My dad has had a bunch of these removed and he's doing just fine.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:14 PM
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14. Thanks. I am definitely planning on being OK.
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virgdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:18 PM
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15. Good luck Trof...
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 06:19 PM by virgdem
I totally connect and commiserate with you. I have a basal cell carcinoma on my lower right eyelid and will have it removed on September 13. It is slow growing, as you indicate, and it has grown a little larger over the last 4-5 years. The doc thought it was something else and injected some substance about 3 years ago to push what he thought was a blockage of a duct in the lower lid. That was ineffective and I finally have to bite the bullet and have the damned thing removed. Good luck to you and I hope that all goes well with your procedure.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:32 PM
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18. This is AMAZING! Same with me! Please read:
I'll be 64 on the 22nd. My lower eyelids are getting baggy. A few weeks ago I woke up with my right eye "glued" shut and grainy stuff there. After it continued a few days I saw an opthamologist. He said it was blocked oil glands under the eyelid. Wrote a prescription for for antibiotic eyedrops, which cleared it up in about a week.

Now I have to wonder if this was a manifestation of the basal cell thing?

Damn.
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virgdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:50 PM
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22. Yes...
that is exactly what I have been experiencing for the last 5 or so years. Especially when I first get up, my right eye has this white, grainy substance on my eyelid. At first, I thought it was the gunk that you get when you first wake up, but this was different. My symptoms have been: white grainy substance, some bleeding from this thing that looks like a scab, and some oozing of a whitish/yellowish substance (pus?) and also, some itching. It appears you and I have the same thing. Lovely, isn't it? I actually can't wait to have this thing removed, as it sometimes blurs my vision in my right eye. I'm actually going to the hospital and will have it removed under general anesthesia (my choice- I'm a big chicken and a lousy patient). Let me know how your procedure went.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:55 PM
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24. OK, we'll hold hands through the whole thing. Virtually.
:pals:
I'll let you know how I come out and you have to do the same for me and the rest of us.
:grouphug:
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virgdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:34 PM
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27. Sounds good to me...
I just wish we could have both of our procedures virtually. Wouldn't that be nice. :)
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:23 PM
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16. You'll come through like a champ, trof
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 06:23 PM by Hardhead
The collective feel-good, be-healthy vibes of thousands of DUers will ward off the evil spirits for you.

I'm only 40, and I've already had several spots of...actinic keratosis? or something like that. Precancerous lesions. I'm whiter than notebook paper to begin with, and I tried like hell to get a tan in my early 20's, before I learned that - as the song says - "we're only immortal for a limited time." I'll be having many trips to the dermo-doc in the years ahead. And I'll tell younger people not to do what I done, and they'll ignore me just like I ignored the old farts when I was young(er).

What can ya do?
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:44 PM
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20. "whiter than notebook paper"...har
funny
I may use that.

Yeah, I've had several of those frozen off.
Mainly on my old bald head.

Moral: Ignore O.F.s at your peril.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:33 PM
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19. Glad you went to the dermatologist trof
I've had a basal cell carcinoma removed from my leg. I'm pretty sure there is one on my face now :-(.

I'm a redhead who never learned to stay out of the sun and I grew up in the 50's and 60's when Coppertone is all we had. I'm sure all of the damage was done then as I remember some serious, blistering burns.

Thanks for all the info.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:48 PM
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21. Had a redhead life guard buddy
We worked the same stand of beach for a while.
Redheaded, freckled, WHITE boy.
He took carotin capsules in a effort to get a tan.
It worked a little bit.
I think all his freckles just merged.
How little we knew.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:26 AM
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28. You're right, the freckles grow together
My nose used to look more like a giraffe's coloring :-).

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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:53 PM
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23. I'm hoping for good news, trof.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 06:56 PM
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25. Merci, mon frere.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 07:00 PM
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26. best of luck!
FWIW my Grandmother had several of those removed and lived to be 92. I hope you'll do just as well.
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