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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:45 AM
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Poll question: What other countries have you lived in?
I'm curious about this, having lived in Europe for 9 years- off and on. Which was your favorite and why?
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ak Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 09:58 AM
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1. UK
It was my first duty station in the AF, I liked the fact they speak a form of english so you could read the signs and almost understand every one. I also spent 10 months in South Korea and visited France, Netherlands, Japan and the Philippines. I spent almost two more years of my life in TX I think that counts for a MN boy.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:01 AM
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2. Yes, Texas does count.
I ran out of lines so I had to limit the choices, but Texas would be an acceptable answer.
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:38 AM
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5. WV count too?
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:15 AM
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9. I was going to say welcome to DU but then I noticed



you've been here longer than most of us.


Cat got your tongue?





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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:32 AM
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3. Too bad the poll won't let you vote more than once.
I've lived in more than one of the countries listed and some that aren't.
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Clintmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:34 AM
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4. Haven't lived in any other but the US so far...
but if I had my choice, it would be Rome, Italy or in Amsterdam!
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Tripper11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:40 AM
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6. Born in England.....
my dad was stationed there in the Canadian navy waaaaaay back when.
Also lived in South Korea for 3 years from 80-83.
Easily one of the best things to have ever happened in my life. Wonderful country, beautiful open welcoming people.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:47 PM
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17. We'd like to move there...
We are very into British Sports. I'm sitting on a Manchester United Throw Blanket as I type this. "If you're not a Manc, You're a wank!"
Duckie
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 10:52 AM
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7. You forgot Central African Republic
10 weeks, 1978. Really.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:07 AM
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8. Was that when that maniac Boukassa was in charge? Wasn't it called
the Central African EMPIRE then?

Boy, I bet that was interseting. Probably not fun, but interesting.

I wouldn't mind if you'd tell us more.

Redstone
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:50 AM
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13. Yes it was.
It was called Central African Empire, probably so that Bokassa could call himself an Emperor. He spent a million dollars of French money on his "coronation" in the poorest country in Africa. It made the cover of Time magazine in 1977 or 78, probably the only time that country has ever been in the news. He was a monster who slaughtered school children.

I was there when I was a 21 year old college student, as a summmer volunteer for a fundamentalist missionary group. There were 23 college students who flew over from the US to spend the summer with missionary families in various locations. Mine was the most remote location, deep in the jungle forest. The couple whose home I lived in were missionary stock, with parents and grandparents who had been missionaries- going back to the era when some came across the ocean on a ship and walked into the interior of Africa to bring the gospel.

I became a much more liberal Christian in the ensuing years, but I still have a lot of respect for these people. They were out there in the middle of nowhere, but they knew how to live off the land. They spoke English but were also fluent in French, as well as several African tribal languages and trade languages. The government was oppressive but the missionaries were incredibly good at dealing with them, and after all, besides their religion they brought money, education, and medical care to the region. They also delivered the boat mail to the eastern part of the country. There were occasional Peace Corp volunteers and a linguist from Yale who stayed with us when they visited the region.

I was supposed to be working with a doctor who had practiced medicine in tropical Africa for 50 years, but he didn't arrive there until after I left. I had every vaccine in the university dispensary before I went, and probably saw every illness there including polio and yellow fever. There were no vaccines there at all, and few antibiotics. There were people with tertiary syphillis. The average life span, I'm told, was 43. The only medical care provided by the country was an occasional "maternity" which wasn't even used by most. The missionaries told me that the Pzande tribe had been dying off for 20 years- a 70% loss in population- and they didn't know why. They suspected it was a new sexually transmitted disease. As soon as I heard about AIDS in the 80s, I knew.

The girls were pregnant from the age of sexual maturity and ever after. Some had never had a menstrual period. They had to prove fertility to get a husband. The infant mortality rate was 40% and many women died in childbirth. So children were raised in extended families where they called several different women mother. The missionaries were kind of freaked out by the sexual behavior, but they were cooler than fundies nowadays and they joked about it.

The people there were animistic. They had no trouble believing in the missionary version of Christianity- they just added it to all the other beliefs they already had. They invented their own churches and their own takeoff on the Christian religion which included lots of dancing and getting drunk. I called it the "Church of Mango Beer" but it would have looked really bad if I went to one of those while I was there! :shrug: They saw the belief in boiling water before drinking it as a purification ritual of "white people's religion" but they did it anyway because it seemed to work.

The people were wearing clothes that looked like they came from American Good Will or Salvation Army. I expected something exotic, but I never saw anyone in some kind of tribal dress. They were dirt poor. There was an adolescent girl wearing a very pretty white eyelet dress which was exactly like an easter dress I had. Only it was orange with dirt, and it was the only article of clothing she had. It haunts me still. They slept on the ground in their huts- but there was always fear of snakes and wild animals.

A large donation of clothes from the United States had come over to the capital city, and there were thousands of Mickey Mouse pajamas in the shipment. They used the pajamas as school uniforms. There were schools which basically took people as far as the third grade- a little bit literate in French. The tribal languages were spoken but not written (at least until the missionaries came and had to create a Bible in the tribal languages too!)

We were a mile from the river which separated Zaire from CAE. There were hippos in the river and plenty of elephants in the region. I could hear the hippos stomachs rumbling at night. Somebody had to stay in the gardens at night to protech the corn from the elephants. There were snakes there, but I never saw one the whole summer. We used an outhouse. We had a 2 year old chimp as a pet. There was one bathtub which was a hollowed out tree. I used the same bathwater as the couple's children. All water had to be boiled before drinking or bathing, so keeping everyone clean was quite a bit of work.

In some ways it was a very hard summer- I was lonely and somewhat bored. But I watched an equatorial African sunset every night for 10 weeks. I saw first hand the real human suffering that exists in third world countries. I stepped totally outside of my own culture and never saw it the same way again. And rather than leaving with the feeling that I wanted to convert these people, I wanted to tell everyone just how bad the living conditions were and that the people there desperately needed more than our unwanted clothes.

Thanks for asking!
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:49 PM
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19. Thanks so much for the story. I'm not religious, but I know that
there are a lot of Christian missionaries in many poor parts of the world who do a bunch of good for the people there.

Redstone
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 02:22 PM
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24. Yeah, and these people are the real deal
When they come to the United States every few years, they don't feel like they fit in at all. They are some of the very few people I've ever met who truly live what they believe. There were other missionaries there who brought all the comforts of home- like their fancy dishes and a porcelain bathtub and plumbing. These people had a dirt floor and they'd take in any stranger and feed them if they needed it. There were times during that summer when we were low on food- I lost 15 lbs in 10 weeks. They'd pray about it and then amazingly somebody would bring a fish or some food in exchange for money or something else they needed.

I wish I'd gotten to meet that doctor who spent 50 years in the jungle- he also learned all the tribal languages and trained people to manage dehydration and other common problems. He was known and loved all over Central Africa and he retired at the place I spent the summer- it was beautiful there. What a great way to spend one's life.




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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:16 AM
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10. Flavor
But I emigrated.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:27 AM
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11. España for three years.



Courtesy US Navy.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 11:37 AM
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12. Rota?
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:43 PM
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16. You got it.


I was in a now decommissioned VR squadron 1965 - 69. The whole base had only been there something like ten years when I got there. I'd like to go back some time. I've seen pix of Rota and the area. It has changed a lot.


Link: http://www.vr-24.org/
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:59 AM
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31. You wouldn't believe how much it's changed...
I was here from 92-98 and just came back for 3 more years and it's changed DRAMATICALLY since then.
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Left_Winger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:09 PM
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14. I lived in Halle, Germany from 1994-96
While I attended the Martin Luther University and conducted research for my dissertation.

To answer your question, Germany is the only other country in which I have resided on a full-time basis as a civilian, so I cannot claim a favorite.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:11 PM
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15. Bahrain for 1 year while stationed on USS LaSalle
which was permantently homeported there at the time..
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:54 PM
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21. i wanna see a pic of you in uniform
:D
:hi:
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:00 AM
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32. Ahhh. The Great White Ghost of the Arabian Coast!!!!
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:48 PM
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18. I could only vote Mexico...
where I lived for 6 years. I have also lived in lovely Canada and in Venezuela. Each was at a different stage of my life, so a 'favorite' is impossible to define.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 12:52 PM
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20. Israel for a month
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 01:33 PM
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22. Ecuador and India. eom
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 01:54 PM
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23. Never lived in another country
Only ever the U.K.

I have lived in both England and Scotland (went to the latter for uni), and in many senses would regard them as different countries.

I can't imagine actually living outside England - it will always be my home, though I'd quite like to travel and study elsewhere for a while (probably Italy or Russia).
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 02:28 PM
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25. Lived in England for 7 months in 1991-92
well, London actually (which is quite different from the rest of the country in many respects). I had a student/working visa and spent six months working in the cellar of the 1990 Evening Standard Pub of the Year.

it also turned me into an insufferable beer snob, which was a very difficult thing to be in a medium-sized town in the upper midwest of the US in 1992. good beers were few and far betweeen for quite awhile, until the microbrew fad hit in the mid-90s.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 02:58 PM
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26. Well, I was in another country for four and a half months,
but I don't suppose it would fit anyone's definition of "living."

Redstone
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 05:01 PM
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28. Viet Nam?
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 05:02 PM
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29. Yup.
Redstone
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 03:07 PM
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27. Only California
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-05 05:42 PM
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30. amurka
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:18 AM
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33. Athens, Greece in the 60's. Alice Springs Australia in the 70's
I also lived on Saipan in the early 60's but since the Marianas Islands are a US Commonwealth, i am not sure if it qualifies as a foreign country.
For the geographically challenged, Saipan is in the same island chain as Guam and Tinian, the latter being the island that the Enola Gay took off from to go bomb Hiroshima
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 04:23 AM
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34. Panama
:)
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 05:32 AM
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35. Thailand, 2 years, China, 1 year.
Peace Corps and travelling.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:44 AM
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36. Korea
Spent a year there when I was in the Air Force.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:49 AM
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37. Germany.
Bamberg, to be exact. I love Franconia.

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