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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:26 PM
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Entertainers who have killed?
A few nights ago, a friend and I were trying to think of entertainers who have killed others.
Here's our list so far:

Matthew Broderick
Jimmy Stewart
Rebecca Gayheart
Son House
Johnny Paycheck
Tom Neal
Spade Cooley
Gig Young
Sid Vicious

any more?

thanks,
mitchum
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:27 PM
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1. huh>?
broderick?
Young?

who did they kill?

Claudine Longet killed a skier in the 70s!
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:30 PM
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7. Broderick...
Broderick met Jennifer Grey on the set of Ferris Bueller's Day Off. In August 1987, she was with him as he drove on a rain-slicked road on the outskirts of Enniskillen in Northern Ireland. Broderick, possibly on the wrong side of the road, drove his BMW 316 head-on into another car carrying 63-year-old Margaret Doherty and her 30-year-old daughter Anna Gallagher: both women were killed. Broderick had to be cut out of the car; he suffered facial lacerations and a broken thigh. Grey escaped with minor injuries. Broderick had no memory of the event and Grey was distracted at the moment of the accident changing audio tapes and saw nothing. The lack of witnesses, skid marks, or other evidence led Broderick to plead guilty in absentia on February 15, 1988 to the lesser charge of careless driving. He was fined £100.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Broderick
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:34 PM
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15. Gig Young...a particularly lurid murder/suicide...
he murdered his wife of one month, then turned the gun on himself. In the Four Seasons, if I recall.

Thanks for Longet! We had forgotten about her.
"Accidents will happen, Claudine..." Jagger/Richard
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:38 PM
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19. Lana Turner's daughter stabbed her mother's lover. Does that count?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:41 PM
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23. Certainly counts...since many specul;ate that underage Cheryl...
actually took the rap for mom.
But if anyone ever needed killing, Johnny Stomp was certainly a contender
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:28 PM
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67. I met his daughter.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 06:10 PM
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71. I wonder if we resemble one another?
Last year, I met a friend's father for the first time. He said that I looked like Young. I told him that I honestly didn't know what Young looked like, but I told him about the murder/suicide story (I have a taste for the lurid) My friend's dad seemed to be taken aback by my willingness to pop off with such a a bit of trivia. I wonder why? :)

I checked later; we really do look a great deal alike
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 09:00 AM
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73. Hope not. She is no looker, Mitch... and sort of uptight. Met her about
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 09:01 AM by henslee
l0 years ago. But Gig was a stud. I saw you included Spade Cooley on the list -- now that man was a talented hopped up lunatic.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:04 PM
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87. I had a friend who claimed to own a pair of Spade's boots...
in fact, THE boots, but I think he was bullshitting :)
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:27 PM
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2. Phil Spector
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:27 PM
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3. Fatty Arbuckle
Salman Khan (Bollywood actor; I think he's killed someone)
Les McKeown (Bay City Rollers lead singer)
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:29 PM
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5. Self-delete
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 09:30 PM by primate1
Posted in the wrong spot, haha.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:35 PM
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16. Fatty Arbuckle was acquited
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 09:50 PM by Poiuyt
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:42 PM
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24. I have also read that Arbuckle was victim of an overzealous that DA...
who trumped up consensual kinkiness gone horribly awry into a brutal rape/murder. He was hell bent on punishing him for perversity.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:30 PM
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90. My brother is writing a script for a movie on Fatty Arbuckle.
If he ever sends it to me, I'll forward it on to you. Fatty was innocent, and basically arrested because of his size. Discrimination, even way back.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:35 PM
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92. Size, and some prude's idea of cleaning up Hollywood
I hope they do make that movie. Roscoe deserves for people to know his story.

I bought an Arbuckle/Keaton dvd a while back. I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to see Keaton's first moment on film, as well as seeing what a good comedian Roscoe was.

Buster was a good friend to him until the day Roscoe died, lending him money and getting him work.

It was said that Roscoe had just signed a big contract the night before he died. So Hollywood had finally forgiven him, and he bugged out before it could deal him any more dirt.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:02 PM
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35. Nah, I think Salman just threatens to kill people, LOL.
He's got ties to the Indian mob I think--they recently released some tapes where he's telling Aishwarya Rai (his exgirlfriend) this and that.

Here's a pic for those of you who don't know Salman. Like most Bollywood actors, he's unreal in his good looks.
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:14 PM
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39. Roscoe 'Fatty' Arbuckle did not kill anyone
That rumour and the following trumped up charges ruined his career and his life...

"...At the height of his career, Arbuckle was under contract to Paramount Studios for $1 million a year, at the time an astronomical sum. On September 3, 1921, Arbuckle took a break from his hectic film schedule, driving to San Francisco with two friends, Lowell Sherman and Fred Fischbach. The three checked into the St. Francis Hotel. The three decided to have a party and invited several women to their suite. During the carousing, one of the women, a 26-year-old aspiring actress named Virginia Rappe(pronounced 'rap-PAY'), became seriously ill, and she was examined by the hotel doctor, who concluded she was merely intoxicated. Rappe died three days later of peritonitis caused by a ruptured bladder. Rappe's companion to the party, Maude Delmont, tried to blackmail Arbuckle over his involvement in the matter. Arbuckle, confident he had nothing to be ashamed of, refused to be shaken down. Delmont then made a statement to the police in an attempt to get money from Arbuckle's attorneys. But the matter soon got out of her hands.

Matthew Brady, the politically ambitious San Francisco district attorney, quickly pursued charges against Arbuckle, releasing a statement to the press that essentially accused Arbuckle of raping or attempting to rape Rappe or perhaps attempting to penetrate her with a foreign object (rumored to be a champagne bottle) and crushing her with his weight. However, the doctor who conducted the autopsy on Rappe found no evidence that violence had played any role in her death, nor did he find any evidence that she had been assaulted. In truth, Rappe had been a sick woman for some time. She suffered from chronic cystitis, a bladder ailment that became troublesome whenever she drank. As such, Rappe had developed a reputation at Hollywood parties for drinking heavily, then tearing her clothes off when the effects left her in pain. She had also endured several illegal abortion procedures since the age of 16 and may have had one as recently as the day before the party in Arbuckle's suite, a factor that could have contributed to her death. Before and during the trial, Arbuckle held fast to his account of events, that he had found Rappe screaming and vomiting in the bathroom, that he had helped her to a bed, and that he had been alone with her no longer than ten minutes. Despite these and other problems with the case, Brady proceeded to try Arbuckle anyway. Arbuckle was to be the most famous American ever tried for murder until O.J. Simpson some seventy-five years later.

By the time of the trial, actual evidence in the prosecution's case had become comically thin. The original complainant, Maude Delmont, was considered too unreliable to be called as a witness, and others whose affadavits were taken under duress were hardly damning evidence. But public opinion of Arbuckle had been poisoned by negative media exposure. Press coverage of the Arbuckle case became more sensational by the day. Yellow journalist William Randolph Hearst used the story as a public indictment of Hollywood decadence, not coincidentally selling quite a lot of newspapers in the process. The first two trials each ended in a hung jury, the first voting 11-2 for acquittal and the second deadlocked 8-4 for conviction. For the third trial, the charge against Arbuckle was reduced by the judge from murder to manslaughter. The jury acquitted him after less than half an hour's deliberation and added a special statement to the verdict insisting that acquittal was not enough to demonstrate the baselessness of the charges against Arbuckle..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roscoe_Arbuckle
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:01 AM
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56. Buster Keaton helped Fatty out
by hiring him as writer on his pictures under an assumed name. There's a really good book on Fatty, "The Day the Laughter Stopped."
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:01 PM
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84. God bless Buster, he had a good heart
And Roscoe Arbuckle didn't kill anyone!
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:13 PM
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133. Hey, LC... did you know the reason Buster was such a good acrobat
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 09:13 PM by henslee
was that as a boy, he was in a vaudville act with his alcoholic father who used to throw him around the stage, much to the delight of the audience. Learning how to land with minimum damage was how he survived a childhood of abuse off and on stage -- (I just read a bio on him)
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 01:57 PM
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140. Which bio did you read
Buster himself said that his father wasn't abusive until toward the end of the act when his alcoholism had really gotten out of control.

The child labor people were always thinking that Buster was getting abused, and having him strip to see if he had bruises. He never did. He'd been taught how to land properly.

If Buster had been abused by his dad, I doubt he would have gone out of his way to make sure dad had a part in alot of his movies. And he used much of their act in his movies as well. That's evidence enough for me that his childhood wasn't seen by him as a bad time.

The thing he regretted was never going to school so that he would express himself better and maybe become an engineer. He was very machanically inclined he said.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:43 AM
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61. arbuckle had a particularly sordid history of abuse towards women...
he did indeed kill that poor girl.

Ew.
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:18 PM
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65. how?
she died of a peritonitis brought on by a ruptured bladder that was not diagnosed for some time.

He was acquitted because the main 'witness' against was not credible. There was no proof. He was tried and found guilty in the faux-fundy Hearst's papers, famous for their lies, including forming public opinion on the Spanish American War through lies and false reporting.

Where is the proof you have that backs up your claim? Just because you declare "Arbuckle had a particularly sordid history of abuse towards women...he did indeed kill that poor girl" doesn't make it so. She was not a 'poor girl,' either. She was a 26 year old woman and known for her party-hearty lifestyle.

From http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/classics/fatty_arbuckle/4.html
"Sources differ on whether or not Virginia was invited to the party on September 5, 1921 or crashed it along with her manager, Al Semnacher, and a woman accompanying them named Bambina Maude Delmont. Delmont had had many run-ins with the police. She had been charged with extortion, bigamy, fraud, and racketeering. In Frame-Up, Edmonds writes that Delmont was “a professional correspondent: a woman hired to provide compromising pictures to use in divorce cases or for more unscrupulous purposes such as blackmail.”

Seeing Rappe and Delmont, Arbuckle is said to have voiced concern. Their bad reputations, he feared, might cause police to raid the party...

...The next day, Dr. Beardslee again treated Virginia with morphine. He also catheterized her because Delmont told him the sick woman had not urinated in many hours.

Later, Delmont called Dr. Melville Rumwell, a man she knew well enough to call “Rummy.” When the doctor arrived, Delmont told him, as she had previously told Beardslee, that Virginia took sick after a drunken Roscoe Arbuckle dragged her into a room and raped her or at least tried to. Rumwell found no evidence of rape but treated the girl for pain and trouble urinating..."

From http://www.2020site.org/fattyarbuckle/bio.html
"...As to what actually happened, many theories abound. Some prevailing ones are: that the rupture was caused by a failed abortion; or the cause was a tragic game gone wrong where Virginia tickled Fatty and his knee accidentally caught her in the stomach. It is possible even that Rappe died from complications having to do with syphillis..."

From http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0759352.html
"...Although acquitted after three trials, the slanderous stories spread by the Hearst newspaper syndicate so soiled his public image that he was unable to find work in front of the camera..."

"Ew" indeed.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #65
88. Indeed. His story never changed. Her story never stayed the same
It makes me cry when I see Arbuckle silents and realize what a talent he was and what we were cheated out of by that extortionist.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:03 PM
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86. Horseshit. His accusers were the ones who had the sordid past
of extortion.

And I've never heard anything about the sordid history you speak of. He was railroaded. The jury that aquitted him sent along an apology for all he'd been through. But it was too late. His life was ruined.
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:28 PM
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89. Yeah I hate that post
there's no source, and to be quite honest, when I was researching my replies, I saw nothing to support post #61. Not even a whiff. It was all about the DA wanting to punish the lax morals of Hollywood, Hearst wanting to sell more papers (even bragging to Buster Keaton about the sheer numbers of papers the scandal sold, the two hung juries and the 6 min deliberation for the 'not guilty.' I thought that post was irresponsble and libelous (or slanderous, whatever it is on the internets).
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:32 PM
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91. Thanks. And Roscoe had enough of that crap in his life
I'm rather a staunch defender of him, can you tell?

It was also said that his size worked against him as well. Folks could picture big Roscoe throwing himself on some poor starlet, even if it wasn't true.

Hearst even faked pictures of Roscoe behind bars.

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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:41 PM
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95. I am a staunch defender of the wrongly accused
:hi:
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:28 PM
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4. O.J. Simpson
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SocratesInSpirit Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:30 PM
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8. Aggg you beat me to it!
:D
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SocratesInSpirit Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:29 PM
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6. Suspected:
OJ Simpson

That's all I can think of right now.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:30 PM
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10. Another suspected: Robert Blake
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:30 PM
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9. Robert Blake (?)
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:32 PM
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12. Synchronicity
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:31 PM
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11. Who did Matthew Broderick kill?
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:32 PM
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13. ...
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 01:55 AM
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54. Heh.
And for a second I thought that was going to lead into "Paul is dead" territory, with Broderick actually killing Jennifer Grey, and the one today with the smaller nose was her replacement.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:11 PM
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132. LOL
:rofl:
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:33 PM
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14. It can be misleading to characterize
those who killed by accident, versus ones that were murder in some form.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:36 PM
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18. True...that's why I carefully used the term "killed" rather than "murdered"
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:35 PM
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17. Whom did Jimmy Stewart kill?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:38 PM
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20. He flew dozens of bombing missions over Germany in WWII
I don't think he was dropping 6ft invisible rabbits on the countryside below
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:39 PM
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22. That's so impersonal that it barely counts
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:43 PM
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25. That would depend on which side of the bomb one was looking at
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. Yeah, but it seems like only a short step from there to...
A built bombs so A killed.
Or even B made food that fed A so B killed.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:52 PM
Original message
I didn't call him a murderer
Although, when I do my Jimmy Stewart impression (everyone has one), I like to have him stammer and sputter about "the goddamn filthy krauts!" :)
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #28
38. Sorry. Is the gun manufacturer a killer, or is it one pulling the
trigger?
I have no idea WTF you are confused about. It's rather simple.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:37 PM
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93. Indeed. It's not as if he inserted it manually
while looking someone in the eyes.

We could list everyone who's been in a war. What would be the point of that?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #93
134. But apparently Stewart REALLY liked being in wars...
he remained a reservist and actually volunteered to fly missions over Vietnam. However, his request wasn't granted.

And actually, you can't list everybody who's been in a war. I'm not making a moral judgment over those who have killed in warfare, but to somehow term it as not really "killing" is just disingenuous.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:33 PM
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68. Saving millions of victims from the nasty Nazis doesn't count as killing.
It's an act of kindness. I'm not easily led to saying cliches, but they were our greatest generation for finally going in there and stopping Hitler.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:58 PM
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70. I have no problem with killing Nazis (and would have been more...
than happy to do so myself), but...c'mon...it's still killing
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 09:14 AM
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76. Saving millions of victims from nasty German civilians...
A line from "Memphis Belle:" when the captain of the plane won't drop the bombs unless he's sure they won't hit civilians, his copilot says: "What's the difference, they're all Nazis."

:shrug:
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #76
109. And did you know Jimmy Stewart was the co-pilot on the REAL belle?
Well, no he wasn't actually...but it'd be freaky if he was
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:52 PM
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129. LOL
You got me, HEyHEY. :7
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:38 PM
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21. Vince Neil
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:43 PM
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26. Damn! I can't believe we forgot him
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Tallison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:47 PM
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110. What did VN do?
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:21 PM
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121. He got into an accident when he loaded and it killed his passenger
Razzle. The people in the other car were left either brain-damaged or paralyzed.
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Tallison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 11:02 AM
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139. Jesus
And I've heard he still drinks heavily...
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:44 PM
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27. Sid Vicious was never found guilty
He did himself in before the trial.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:47 PM
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30. You're right...
i was also being generous with the term "entertainer" in reference to Sid :) He helped turn a great band into a sad joke.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:52 PM
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69. Legs McNeil was putting a book together about the drug
dealer who is really suspected of killing Nancy. I don't believe Sid did it. He actually loved her. Other than his smack, she was the only other thing they say he DID love.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:47 PM
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29. John Wilkes Booth (nt)
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:33 AM
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58. And yes, he was a BIG star
Maybe he didn't match his brother Edwin, but they were the idols of their age.
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SPQR Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:48 PM
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31. Johnny Cash
Patrick McGoohan
Laurence Harvey
Jack Cassidy
Eddie Albert

Oh wait....that was on Columbo. Sorry.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:52 PM
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33. LOL!!!
nice :)
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:08 PM
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47. Johnny Cash shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:12 PM
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50. I'll bet that Hurt.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:52 PM
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32. Don King kicked a man to death
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 09:57 PM
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34. Aaron Neville
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:11 PM
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37. who'd he kill?
nt
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:55 PM
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44. Hmm, maybe nobody. Bad memory on my part
For some reason I thought he had served time in prison for manslaughter, between "Tell it like it is" and his re-emergence in the late 80s. But googling, I can't find anything, so I don't know where that memory came from.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:09 PM
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36. Joe Scarborough
not that he's very entertaining, but still, didn't he kill his girlfriend?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:15 PM
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40. No, they found a dead intern in his office.
But he never was a suspect.
In fact, it was claimed she died accidentally.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:11 PM
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49. There's a lot more to that story
Scarborough had just won re-election, then sudenly announced he was divorcing his wife. Rumors of infidelity had been circulating even before, but the divorce fueled them. Shortly after this, he announced he was retiring from Congress to spend more time with his family. Yes, the one he was divorcing (Hey, I don't make this up, I just report it).

So soon after this Lauri Klausitis, a woman in her mid to late 20s, was found dead in his office in Florida, while Joe was in DC. This was while the whole Gary Condit story was tops. Somehow, despite the obvious parallels, and an actual body, the media kept it quiet.

Okay, now, pay attention. The coroner said that Klausitis had no visible signs of trauma, and an autopsy would take weeks. Just then, the local media reported that Klausitis had a history of epileptic seizures and heart problems. Soon after, it was revealed that she was a marathon runner with no history of heart problems or siezures. Scarborough attacked the local press for spreading rumors, and ordered them to stop.

The press then revealed that Scarborough himself was the source of the rumors. Around then, the coroner released his findings, way ahead of the earliest time he claimed he could. He declared that Lauri had died from a heart arythmia that made her collapse and strike her head on a desk with enough force to slosh her brain into the other side of her skull, causing a slow, unconscious death.

Woudln't that leave "visible signs of trauma" you ask? Yes, the coroner said. "But, you said there were none, Mr. Coroner." "Yes," he admitted, "but I lied, because" and this is almost exactly what he said "we didn't want anyone asking a lot of questions about a dead woman with a blow to her head."

Oh yeah, the coroner? He had been fired and de-licensed in another state for faking causes of deaths on death certificates, especially head injuries.

So I don't know if Scarborough ever killed anyone, but I do know he was involved in a cover up and obstruction, and made sure that a suspicious death was treated as an accident. Remember, he found a healthy, attractive young woman dead of a blow to her head in his office, got a medical examiner to lie, and started a story in the press to make it look like natural causes. Even if Lauri did die as the coroner said she did, there's no way Joe or anyone could have known that before the autopsy. Joe was more interested in saving his butt than in finding out if a suspicious death of an employee could have been murder.

For the record, Lauri was 5'8", thin, and in good shape, and supposedly fainted into a three foot high desk hard enough to bash her brains in. That's quite a lot of force for a fall of less than three feet. Just an observation.
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trackfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:35 PM
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41. Audie Murphy
His killing exploits (as a war hero) got him a film career.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 10:41 PM
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103. Good call on Murphy
yes, of course
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MalibuChloe Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:40 PM
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42. Laura Bush...not an entertainer, but...
actually yes she is.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:17 PM
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125. But she's not a celebrity, having never done anything worth celebrating
Oops, I forgot about how she solved our nation's street gang problem.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:53 PM
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43. Mystery writer Anne Perry
Her story was the basis of the movie Heavenly Creatures.. (She was the character played by Kate Winslet.)
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 09:29 PM
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101. Oh my god....
I didn't know that! It's been awhile since I saw that movie, but wasn't
the Winslet character the one who actually did the deed?
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 10:58 PM
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45. Does William Burroughs count as an entertainer?
Edited on Wed Aug-31-05 11:00 PM by kevsand
And what about Brando's kids? What was the story there? Why can't I remember any of this? I'm getting old...
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 10:40 PM
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102. Absolutely...he also made records and appeared in films...
besides writing some great books.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:07 PM
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46. Joe Scarborough
He's entertaining to some... to others he's just a fuckwad.

I think he killed his intern.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:09 PM
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48. Guess I should've read the entire thread...
IGNORE THE ABOVE POST.

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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:07 AM
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51. William Burroughs,.. if you consider an author to be an entertainer.
He shot his wife dead in 1951 after trying to imitate William Tell's ability to shoot an apple off of a person's head.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:04 AM
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57. Lucky he did it in Mexico
and got off.
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:08 AM
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52. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh - rebecca gayheart
my fav
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 01:26 AM
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53. Don King (for sure)
Ty Cobb, more than likely.
Audie Murphy has to be on the list, too. And it was rumored Clark Gable ran over someone on Hollywood Boulevard while he was drunk, back in the day -- it got covered up by one of the movie moguls (see, I think, Hollywood Babylon for details).
John
Family history says my great-great-grandfather killed a guy in a bar fight in Toledo, Ohio, circa 1890 -- but that might be bullshit. G2grandpa wasn't famous, in any event (though he had the same name I do).
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 01:56 AM
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55. Lee Marvin was a WWII marine
Good chance he got a notch or two on his rifle butt
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:39 AM
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59. How about Claudine Longet?
She killed her ski-bum paramour Spider Sabitch.

Sadly, she never got any recognition as a biathlete.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:43 AM
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60. William Randolph Hearst shot and killed Thomas Ince
Ince was one of the creators of modern motion pictures. Many of us believe he truly crystalized the concept of the "producer", and Hearst shot him to death aboard his yacht, mistaking him for the lover of his wife, Marion Davies.

This is one of the nastiest and best contained scandals of Hollywood history.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:16 PM
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62. "Accidents will happen , Claudine..." Jagger/Richard
:)
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:26 PM
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63. John Landis
I think John Landis belongs on the list. Ultimately he was to blame for the deaths of three on the Twilight Zone movie.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 09:04 AM
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74. Vic Morrow
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:42 PM
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107. He certainly does belong on this list
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DelawareValleyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:28 PM
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64. self delete
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 04:33 PM by DelawareValleyDem
misread the post, sorry.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:25 PM
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66. Vince Neil of Motley Crue
Killed a passenger in his car when he was driving drunk and got into an accident.
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Gatchaman Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 06:43 PM
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72. Vince Neil's passenger was Razzle...
the drummer for Hanoi Rocks.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 09:04 AM
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75. Does Laura Bush qualify?
she does entertain doesn't she?
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:05 PM
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131. she told some jokes about George at that dinner a few months ago
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 09:18 AM
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77. Howlin' Wolf, Leadbelly
Wolf killed a man in Arkansas who almost beat a woman to death. After the guy abused his girl, wolf hit him with a shovel in the head. Wolf being so massive, at 6'6, almost took the man's head off. He was never tried for it, but he admitted it was true to several people, who recounted it in Wolf's biography

Leadbelly was in jail several times for murder, attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, etc. He was pardoned twice by governors who enjoyed his music.
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Magrittes Pipe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 09:37 AM
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81. Not that John Lomax didn't pull a few strings for Huddie, too....
Beavis: "I killed a bunch of people once."
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DelawareValleyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 09:22 AM
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78. Patsy Ramsey?
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DelawareValleyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 09:28 AM
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79. NHL forward Dany Heatley
Was involved in a one car accident which took the life of his teammate Dan Snyder, who was riding with him in the vehicle.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 09:33 AM
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80. Leif Garret?
Didn't he kill someone in a car accident back in the early 80's?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:02 PM
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85. I think you're right. That also reminded me that sometime actor...
Edited on Fri Sep-02-05 08:02 PM by mitchum
Griffin O'Neal killed his friend (Francis Coppola's son) in a terrible boating accident
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:24 PM
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136. I think that his friend was paralyzed but lived.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 11:43 AM
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142. He was the son of Francis Ford Coppola and he died.
...
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:45 PM
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82. Jim Mitchell killed his brother Artie...
The famous Mitchell Brothers that owned the O'Farrell Theatre up in San Francisco that was a big porn joint where they shot Behind The Green Door with Marilyn Chambers, etc.

That murder was depicted in a movie later too I believe.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 07:57 PM
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83. Fortunately (for all of our eyes) Jim was no performer...
:)
I almost can't really blame Jim for his frustration with Artie. His brother was just a complete fuck up. Jim had actually done all of the work and made both of them very rich, but Arte was such an idiot. How incompetent does a sleazy drug addicted pornographer have to be before he's really fucking up? Artie reached that level.

The movie was very good. "Rated X" starring Charlie Sheen and Emilio Estevez. Estevez also directed the film, and his work was excellent. If I were a producer, I would not hesitate to let him helm a big budget production.
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:39 PM
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94. Laura Bush.....
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:43 PM
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96. But I don't find her the least bit entertaining
Though I'm sure that Stepford Wife grin is an act.
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:47 PM
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97. a cyborg to the nth degree, ever notice howGOP wives are docile and
obotic, dem wives actually have opinions...just sayin'
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:00 AM
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106. It does look a bit plastic doesn't it...
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:02 PM
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117. I don't think George finds her entertaining either
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:50 PM
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98. I don't believe that Johnny Cash ever killed anyone. He certainly
did not shoot a man in Reno. He accidently started a large forest fire once, but I never heard that anyone died from it.

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Twillig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:51 PM
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108. But,
what did he do that stretch of time in Folsom prison for?
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:15 PM
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124. To entertain the prisoners.
He performed a concert there. Just because he sang the words, 'But I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die,' doesn't mean that he really did that.
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Twillig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:41 PM
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128. He was wanted in eleven states from what I can tell!
California
Buffalo, New York
Kansas City
Ohio etc. etc.

Wherever you might look tonight you might see this wanted man.




I'm just havin' fun.

:-)
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 08:53 PM
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99. Clark Gable
Was drunk and killed a pedestrian with his car. MGM paid an executive to serve the time.

John Huston did the same. His father, Walter Huston, used pulled strings to get him off.

Just read it the other night in "The Whole Equation" by David Thomson.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 09:17 PM
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100. That's why I never cross the street when Angelica is out for a drive
:)
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:14 PM
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120. Oops....
I didn't see this one! :)
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 10:46 PM
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104. Every celebrity suicide?
If you take your own life, it's considered a homicide... that list is longer than long...
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:24 PM
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105. Nah...
I was looking for celebrities who had killed others. I guess it would count if the suicide had multiple personalities.
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Tallison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:51 PM
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111. Good chance Jerry Lee Lewis did someone
Two wives dead under suspicious circumstances, shot his bass player then yelled at him for bleeding all over his car...
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:57 PM
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113. I read something about that in a Rolling Stone Encyclopedia
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 05:57 PM by brentspeak
One of his wives was found dead in his home, but when the cops came over to investigate, Lewis prevented them from looking around the rest of the house. Unbelievably, the authorities went along with Lewis' request.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:07 PM
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123. that reminds me, William Shatner.....
wasn't he under suspicion for killing his last wife?

:shrug:

Maybe it's just a really bad rumour. :(
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:19 PM
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126. A very BAD rumor. He was devastated by her accidental drowning
She was drunk and fell asleep in their back yard pool. I listened to the 911 call and the panic in his voice was genuine. Very sad.
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:53 PM
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112. Didn't Merle Haggard kill someone?
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:59 PM
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114. Lots of robberies in his youth, but no murders
And lots of time spent in prison.
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:00 PM
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115. Thank you for clarifying.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:00 PM
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116. Paul "Killer" Kelly,
drunk and RKO crime drama regular, killed his GF's husband, I think it was.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:07 PM
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118. In fact, the Beach Boys recorded an lp with songs by THREE killers
On 1969's "20/20", the Beach Boys covered songs by convicted killer Leadbelly ("Cotton Roads"), soon-to-be-discovered killer Charles Manson (appropriated by former friend, Dennis Wilson, as "Never Learn Not To Love"), and future killer, Phil Spector ("I Can Hear Music").
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:21 PM
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135. Good call! I've never thought of it that way
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Tallison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:05 AM
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138. Forgot about the Wilson/Mason connection
Read a little about it in Helter Skelter...didn't realize Phil Spector w/the band at that time.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:13 PM
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119. Clark Gable....
I think.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:27 PM
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122. Albert Salmi
murder-suicide with his wife in 1990
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:19 PM
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127. Does suicide count? If so... Inge Stevens who is on TV right now
in a movie with Clint. Oh and we can count Peter Duel.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:58 PM
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130. Rich Stevens, singer with Tower of Power, was convicted of murder
in the '70's. Drug related.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:27 PM
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137. *prediction* Either Bobby Brown or Whitney Houston.
:hide:

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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 11:41 AM
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141. Laura Bush?
Something about running a stop sign..?
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143. Charles Lindburgh?
There is some talk (and I could be wrong) that it was he who accidentally killed his kid...
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