My husband is hell bent on leaving this country.....

[converted_democrat]

My husband is far less political than I. He listens to what I have to say here or there about politics, but he has no real interest in it. He is a great husband, I could ask for no better. He has been having a hard time since Rehnquist died. He realized on his own that Bush would now be able to place 2 people on the Supreme Court. My husband is 21 years older than me and remembers the fights of the 60's and 70's and does not wish to see the country go through it again. He says "I thought we fought and won back then, why should America go through this again, and lose 40 years of progress?" We have a daughter that is 3, and he says he does not wish to belong to a country that does not value women. He is REALLY having a hard time with these recent developments. He made not a whimper when I told him the 2004 election was stolen, he did not say a word when I told him about DSM, or Plame, but this is different. He is now hell bent on leaving the country, period. He bought me CD's on how to speak Spanish yesterday. Today he told me that we could go to Mexico, Australia, or New Zealand, and I could decide between the three, to ultimately decide where we would end up living. I want to stay here and try to make a difference. He wants to leave here no later than December. I do not want to leave yet. He is hell bent on leaving, period.

Edit -- for my awful grammar

[faithnotgreed]

1. how did he come up with those 3 options

was it based on previous research or family connection or where represents what he is looking for
or....

how do you feel about all of it

[converted_democrat]

4. Well.....

My parents have traveled alot, and my father has often made the statement that if he had to live outside of the U.S., he would like to go to New Zealand or Australia. I am assuming that Mexico came up because that is where we honeymooned.

[Deja Q]

2. Why?

Ultimately, no other country would be safe anyway.

Nevermind the odd increase of weather and ecological issues over the last few years, I think we are ALL on borrowed time at this point.

Just enjoy life, ignore the shit that is going on. Otherwise you'll just add depression and anxiety to your life. When shit happens, it happens. I'm still trying to learn that myself and I'm a long-time sufferer of PTSD. (I know some say that is loosely diagnosed. PM me if you want a nice, yet incomplete, list of reasons why PTSD is more than apropos for me...)

[faithnotgreed]

7. i agree that no place is "safe"

if one is leaving to escape the bad stuff they think will happen in this country then i agree that leaving is not going to be the saviour they think

and i also agree that you cannot outrun fate
if something is going to happen it will happen no matter where you are

though i can definitely understand trying to grab for some sanity that is most assuredly in many other countries
but i believe there is hope no matter what or where

good will always triumph

best wishes with your ptsd - i cant imagine what that is like and im glad that you are able to have the perspective you do
positive outlook and a certain acceptance do make a difference no matter what the affliction

[converted_democrat]

8. I think he thinks if we leave this country, we will leave all of it's

problems behind. I really think that is what he believes.

[sasquatch]

3. Buy a CD that teaches French and move to Canada

[bluestateguy]

5. As long as he stays registered to vote

Those white fundamentalist Christians like to breed, so we need every vote we can get.

[caty]

6. Go to western Canada.

The weather is not too bad there and you would be close enough to come back and visit friends and family. Your husband is not alone in his feelings. A week doesn't go by that I don't hear someone say they are planning to move to Scotland, England, Australia, or Canada. Especially if the repubs steal another election.

[riderinthestorm]

9. Getting a visa to Oz or NZ is really tough

I would be very surprised if you are allowed to immigrate unless your career or his career are extremely valuable or desirable. Think sports star, or brain surgeon. I believe Australia only allows in 300 Americans/year for example. It's very difficult to get in there.

On the other hand, Mexico is still open arms for Americans - there are large ex-pat communities in Mexico.

But Mexico sure ain't New Zealand....

[pitohui]

12. no in mexico you BUY residency

those large ex-pat communities are dominated by retirees or businesspeople who can prove they have outside income of so many dollars a month earned from outside mexico such as social security or investments

assuming he ain't old enough to collect his social security, the dude ain't moving anywhere, he's just blowing off some stress as we all do from time to time

[China_cat]

10. I understand where he's coming from.

I really do. We worked SO hard in those days and we believed that we had made a real difference. And now we feel like we're due some peace. We've just gotten too old to fight it all over again. Civil dissent and protest is a young person's game.

[pitohui]

11. don't stress

he ain't going nowhere

he ain't getting any job in mexico, australia, or new zealand, esp. if he's older unless he has VERY specialized experience, so he ain't gonna be given residency in those countries anyway

it'll blow over, he's just letting off steam