graffiti - art or crime ?

[mdmc]

Poll question: graffiti - art or crime ?

interesting and enjoyable web site http://www.fafi.net/accueil.html

[Solon]

1. Depends on the circumstances...

Many cities and towns have community art projects, where graffiti is sanctioned on certain buildings, etc. So in that case, art, definately. However, if you spraypaint someone's house without their permission, that's vandalism, community service at minimum for that type of stuff.

[mdmc]

2. i think this is HUGH11 and i'm SERIOUS11

so please vote! :)

[Redstone]

4. Well, if it's sanctioned in a specific location, it's not graffiti is it?

Just asking; I'd call it a mural instead if it was requested by the city.

Redstone

[Solon]

9. Don't know, what's you opinion on this?

[mdmc]

11. imo, that is HUGH11

[Redstone]

13. Wrong guy to ask; I don't know jack shit about art. That, though,

even if it's in a legal place, doesn't strike me as something I'd want to look at every day.

Though I will say it shows a hell of a lot of talent; that person should look for a job doing show cars or motorcycles.

I've seen some spray-paint people do some stunning work in New Haven where the city's asked them to...stuff I would indeed be happy to look at every day.

Redstone

[mdmc]

14. you should make up a journal redstone!

[blondeatlast]

5. Agreed; it has a place.

I work at a public library and have a very good idea how much grafitti costs the taxpayers.

Our city has community art projects, both publicly and privately funded, that are just wonderful grafitti art, though.

[mdmc]

12. I think you should make a DU journal

:hi:

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. I'd have put another choice......Both!

But that's just me.....Unable to really make up my mind....

Some I've seen is truly beautiful......

But mostly it's just dreck.....:puke:

I guess I'd have to go with crime......because it is against the law to deface other people's property...... :shrug:

It is an interesting question, though....and there's plenty of room for debate here!

:hi:

[mdmc]

8. its either HUGH11 or SERIOUS11

:hi:

[laheina]

17. I think that spray-can art can be fantastic.

As long as you don't wake up to find it on your house or car, so I vote art (as long as it is done on something that the artist owns.)

[mdmc]

21. crime can also be art. You are forced to choose in this poll

HUGH11 SERIOUS11

[laheina]

24. Don't be a meanie.

That's a false dichotomy, and I refuse to participate! Give me my vote back right now...I'm going home! :sarcasm:


If it's on someone else's property, then it's art that deserves to be painted over. After all, everyone doesn't have the same taste. :shrug:

[mdmc]

26. oh, I fully agree. Art ain't always nice and pretty

Look at the nazi films. Look at the GOP Sore - Loserman political signs from Dade County Florida. I once heard that a surgeon that would stitch his initials in to a patients wounds.

When a kid takes a marker to the kitchen wall, it is art.
When a thug tags a building with a gang marker, it is art.
Even when a DU punches a freeper in the eye, that is an act of art.

I was interested in seeing if DU, when forced, would choose art or crime, to describe graffiti.

[laheina]

31. I get it. :)

Through my pseudo-emotional outburst came enlightenment. ;)

[mdmc]

33. now this is art

http://www.fresatees.com/
:yourock::patriot:

[laheina]

36. LOL!

Now you are just being silly. :)

[RevolutionaryActs]

6. I think it depends on rather it's pretty or not.

:silly:

[mdmc]

39. thanks for the post

:patriot:

[Redstone]

7. Isn't this about the hundredth time someone's posted this question?

Vandalism is illegal. Period.

Redstone

[mdmc]

10. it is SERIOUS11

this graffiti artist had an interesting experience. She was commissioned by several commercial property owners to create murals. These murals were deemed illegal via town codes and were painted over.

I think that this is the very first poll to ask if graffiti is HUGH11 or SERIOUS11.

[laheina]

19. See, that's just wrong. nt

[mdmc]

22. some of it was really beautiful

(before and after)

[laheina]

23. I'm sorry, I meant that

it was wrong that they just painted over it because they thought spray-can art =s ghetto, or some such thing. I think that this is a valid art form that has a message to deliver relevant to the time and place where it evolved.

And I agree, some it is quite beautiful. :hi:

[mdmc]

27. I think that they used code enforcement to make murals illegal

thank you for all of your posts today! :)

[no name no slogan]

25. I think you mean "SERIES!!!!111!!" (n/t)

[mdmc]

34. i really have no idea what I mean, so I'm sure that you are right

[NMMNG]

15. Even though some of it has artistic value

If it is on somebody's property without their permission it is a crime.

[mdmc]

37. true buffy

crime can be art, art can be crime. It can be HUGH!!111 and SERIOUS!!!11

[SofaKingLiberal]

16. both n/t

[mdmc]

40. kick

[Yollam]

18. Given only 2 choices I say crime...

Most of the tags are a stupid eyesore, but there is some awesome work being done. Provided it's done on a wall with the owner's permission, I'm cool with it.

[realisticphish]

20. It's both...

but I voted crime. I understand the artistic nature of some graffiti, but it's still vandalism, like it or not

[MrSlayer]

28. Regardless of what it looks like, if you are defacing public or private...

property it is a crime.

[petronius]

29. On your house - art; on my house - crime. (nt)

[Jamastiene]

30. I see graffiti as either good or bad, depending on the circumstances.

Grafitti on someone's personal property against their will would be wrong, but some of the graffiti artists are really artists. The cities should commission them to paint beautiful murals on walls, overpasses, underpasses, and other gray, bland, boring areas, especially crime ridden areas, to beautify the city. Tagging, on the other hand, is no better than territorial pissing and is usually done by gangs, which serve no purpose other than to sit around refusing to evolve. They should be taken off the streets for their violence and bullshit. I guess it really does depend on the circumstances.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

32. Crime

I feel sick to my stomach when I'm driving along a beautiful country road, then suddenly I see crap sprayed all over what was once a lovely boulder. Or somebody's barn.

If it's well-done, I don't mind it so much on the dumpsters of the trash train that passes through the neighborhood every day.

[jpeg]

35. what is "hugh11" & "serious11"?

I look at graffiti as... not art. Most of the stuff I see is too stylized and not challenging, not at all what I think art can be.

[Katherine Brengle]

38. I said art, but it is both. And not all of it is artistic, but I think a

lot of it is really amazing. It perks up the otherwise mundane surfaces of our cities!

[ldf]

41. sorry, but it does NOT.

99.9% of it is nothing more than tagging. tagging means gangs. gangs mean fear of walking down the street, or "looking wrong" at someone, for fear of getting assaulted.

my neighborhood in nyc (washington heights) looks like total trash.

this so-called street art does nothing but create neighborhoods where people don't want to live, which means businesses don't want to locate there, which means there is nothing but 99cent stores and thrift shops.

but the streets aren't enough. they have to tag inside the apartment buildings. they throw trash everywhere, INCLUDING OUT THE WINDOW.

sorry, but i don't want to live in the third world, but unfortunately i am STILL paying 1500 a month, to live where most speak no english, and throw their trash on the sidewalk RIGHT NEXT TO THE GARBABE CAN.

trash is trash. you want to look at that crap, paint your own damn living room wall.

:grr:

[Gatchaman]

42. Submitted for your consideration

[mdmc]

43. thank you

this is HUGH111! and SERIOUS11!!