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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 02:35 PM
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In honor of this place that has indulged me for 35,000 posts
a walk down DU memory lane....

2002
Right after DU added the counter for registrations - the place got superficially attacked - and we got to watch DU go from 10,000 to 11,000 registered DUers - twice. There was a funny side story about an apparently infamous site defacer being blamed - who had to come and clear his/her name and blame another party... most of us had never heard of this network of folks and it was entertaining.

I recall long discussions about the Strikes in Venezuela days before the coup - and thus a vigil (so to speak) as the (staged) coup unfolded - including a DUer on the ground... probably the best discussion on the net during that time... including finding links to the State Dept for some figures involved in the quickly turned back coup. Like Chavez or not, it was a fascinating story to watch unfold and discuss as events unfolded before us quickly.

Birth of Enronomics and the phrase (Coined here at the DU, I believe) of "socialize the costs and privatize the profits."

2002 into 2003
Debunking of stories being pumped in the media to build a case for war - great collecting of international news sources that generally debunked the stories within 36 hours of their appearance in the US media - often the story briefly pumped in by the WH would silently be dropped and not used again.

Huge debates in the buildup to the war vote and later in the buildup to the war/invasion - per a "secret strategy" that the dems were allegedly in possession of that would avert the war by pulling bushco into some kind of political trap. That was a huge divide - not in terms of supporting an invasion (few that I can remember believed that) but in terms of perceived dem strategy, lack there of and huge frustration of all in the lack of ability to avert the disaster due to the reality of an emergent one-party rule in DC.

2003
Gore's reemergence at the Florida Dem Convention (and kick off to the governor's race) - full of fiery populist rhetoric - and a new fan base grew at DU - followed by disappointment (and accusations against the DLC) when he declared he was not running.

Beginning of primary 2004 season - bitter battles among DUers... and divergent voices that from different directions began to loudly question the war (though while some thought x or y by candidate D was war criticism and others read the same thing as apologia, thus there was little consensus as to what constituted real war criticism or not).

Interesting items (too late) posted from the LA Times about the groping history of Arnie as he ran for governor. And great frustration and dismay at the results of round one of the overreaching GOP power plays to begin happening across the country (next one was the redistricting stories in Texas outside of a census redistricting year.)

2004
Months of bitter primary wars on the DU - followed by a brief coming together under ABB to try to beat bushco.

More frustration as a growing awareness about election fraud antics from the subtle (funky going ons at polls) to the overt (repubs registering voters under nonpartisan cover and throwing away registrations of dems - reported in many states and oft associated with an Arizonan political operative.) Hope following frustration as much more public awareness of the potential perils of electronic voting and general vote fraud still resonates and gives more hope that a public paying attention just might be able to demand secure elections (prior to this, there had been a growing blind faith/apathy/assumption that our elections were secure)

Great discussions of the Odd debates - including, if memory serves me, bush trying to put off concerns that he would touch social security in one of the debates (ala "they are trying to scare seniors by saying....")

Huge disillusionment at the election results - and lingering questions for many about what happened in Ohio.

End of the year DU conversations discuss the odd over confidence of bushco as he (and his mouthpieces) start selling this "huge momentum of political capital" talk - even though the election was very, very close.

2005
Wow - is the collective amazement at the brazenness of bush when he opens the year with amnesia for his claims in the election per social security and opens with the salvo of how while others view social security as the third rail in politics - and that any politician who touches it risks ending their career... that he (oh powerful one) is going to take it on with his tremendous political capital. (Many DC gopers in congress begin to become apprehensive.)

Collectively DU watches in amazement as bush flies in the middle of the night to overstep his power to try to save Schaivo - while there were debates about the Schaivo situation here at DU, the recognition that the public was appalled at what follows - esp when the words of DeLay and a memo circulated by Sen Martinez show their real strategy/desire - to milk the right to life movement's power/support/money they were going to try to end the legality of living wills. More and more folks at DU were reporting conversations at home with increasingly apprehensive and/or disgusted repubs. Personally I think this combined with the SS debates is when the political/public sentiments began to shift.

Quick summary of the huge issues further shifting winds include the Downing Street Memos, the Plame hearings, the spectacle of Cindy at Crawford coupled with ongoing violence in Iraq coupled with the arrogant response by bush that the only way to honor the death of Sheehan's sons and others was... to keep fighting and have more folks die, Katrina and Rita responses, Abramoff and DeLay indictments, and more - but the year closes with a tremendous shift in political winds. Think about it - at the beginning of the year there was a belief that the margins in Congress (House) were far too high and the best that could be hoped for in the midterms were a smaller GOP majority in the House and a very, very long-shot at taking back the Senate... and by the end of the year discussions of the likelihood of Congress shifting hands are widespread, not just limited to progressive oases on the web.

2006
NSA spying, signing statements, Cunningham's plea bargain naming specific folks and bribe charges, and here at DU there is a fluctuation tone of hope and despair, hope and extreme frustration, but an underlying sense that bushco is over in terms of political future - but that there is a whole lot of damage still being wreaked by these folks and all we can do is work to finally end it (by taking over congress and forcing hearings) and more importantly end the one-party rule of the extreme rightwing religious, corporatist and militarist wings of the republican party.

Here is to you all - new comers, old timers and tweeners. It has been a ride - and will continue to be a ride. So glad to be able to share it with you!

:toast:

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 02:37 PM
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1. Thanks for giving so much to DU!
:hug:

I'm honored to share this forum with you!

And congratulations on 35,000. :toast: :party:

Here is to 35,000 more! :woohoo: :woohoo: :bounce: :bounce:

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 02:38 PM
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2. I am sure that the ride will continue to be interesting!
:hug:
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 02:59 PM
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3. Congrats and a Woo Hoo to you, Salin!
:party: :hug: :toast: DU wouldn't be the same if you weren't here! :party: :hug: :toast:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:03 PM
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5. Likewise, hippiechick,
likewise... missed adding all of the protests in the war leadup through which many DUers met.... while you and I missed each other at the big Feb 2002 event, I met Indiana Green, who I think said that she had seen you there - so by one degree of seperation and all... glad I finally got the chance to meet you in person - even without the protest! :toast:
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:20 PM
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8. That was the blizzard rally, right ?
I think several folks got together at the Abbey after, but I had already left to bring my frosty HippieKid home.

:hi: Glad that we finally met, indeed! :toast:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:22 PM
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9. yes, the blizzard protest...
went with my Mother, her friend and Raindog to the Abbey and met IG and some of her friends from Veterans for Peace.

Good memory!
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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:02 PM
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4. The ride never stops,
unless you stand still. Great post!

And congratulations on your milestone! :toast:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:05 PM
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6. were it not for hear
I would be bald from pulling my hair out due to the crazy state of the world (esp in the US) per bushco - having a place to discuss, ridicule, organize, share information, vent, and play - makes it much easier!

Thanks!
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NYdemocrat089 Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:20 PM
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7. Nice post.
Congrats on getting 35,000 posts!

:party:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:24 PM
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10. A belated welcome to DU
it is a bit wild and wooly here at times - but a great place to participate, watch, vent, organize and get through these odd political times.
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:33 PM
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11. Thanks for that post, Salin.
:hi:

Glad you started a journal. I enjoy reading your posts without fail.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 04:44 PM
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14. Thanks for the compliment
likewise... and if you make it to the vigil tomorrow - please let me know how it went off, since I won't be able to be there!

:hi:
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:41 PM
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12. congrats, salin!
:hi: :loveya:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 04:45 PM
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15. oh how could I have forgotten to include an Indianan reference
in my reminiscening?
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:43 PM
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13. Great post!
Only one nitpick: "Socialize the cost, privatize the benefits" has been around much longer than DU. I remember hearing the phrase in the late 80s when I was a college student.

But spot on nonetheless!

:toast:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 04:46 PM
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16. fair enough
hadn't heard nor read it... til here and then it was a while before I began reading it everywhere... We need to be singing that theme again and again in this rush to privatize everything that moves...

:hi:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 04:58 PM
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17. what, no bev harris...
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:02 PM
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18. heh... there were several dustups that didn't make it
but that certainly was big enough for a mention.... heh. My bad. :hi:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:07 PM
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20. it's all good...
hubby was a member not long after du start-up, and mentioned he'd always council her as to system integrity and such cause the boxes are coming one way or the other, and that she'd be forever intransigent about anything other than whatever it was she was doing...her name always stayed with me :hi:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:20 PM
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24. Sounds about right
or at least a lot like what I read from her when she was here. Down in the Electios Reform forum - bev squabbles still seem to periodically erupt.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:03 PM
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19. Cheers to you
:toast:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:09 PM
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21. forgot to say what he said = cheers to you...
:toast:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:22 PM
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26. antyhing for a cold one...
just right late on a Saturday afternoon :toast: !
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:21 PM
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25. Back at ya...
you miss Indiana, don't you... admit it... ;-) :toast:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:36 PM
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29. Every day
:)
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:36 PM
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30. You Lie
but it makes those of us stuck here feel a little better about it ;-)
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:16 PM
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22. Congrats on 35K!
:toast: and thanks for sharing this thread! :hi:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:23 PM
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27. Hey there bigwillq...
had to share this walk down memory lane with those that walked along with me, and with those who might walk along in the future! :hi: Hope all is well with you!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:43 PM
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60. Keep up the good work!
I enjoy your posts, and I always keep a look out for them.

Best Regards,

T_C_O
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:49 PM
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63. Thanks - keep in mind
that posts are only reflective of the "company kept" in terms of perspectives, forcing conversation and thoughts deeper, and the access to a great range of news sources. Point being that the posts are greatly reflective of what is nurtured from the greater DU community.

:toast:
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #63
78. Don't be so modest, your posts are good
On the other hand, the others (including mine) are usually garbage. :+
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:20 AM
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82. having a wee tad of crisis of confidence.... your words
are greatly appreciated - and don't discount your own words so easily... we find our gems by rambling a bit here and there.... I do a ton of rambling before I post.
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:18 PM
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23. Congratulations, salin!!
:bounce: :toast: :bounce:

Thanks for the synopsis for those (like me) who weren't around DU in those years.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:25 PM
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28. Just as there have beem memorable times here at the DU... there will
undoubtedly be more in the future. Enjoy the ride! :bounce:
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:39 PM
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31. Congratulations!! You've always been a favorite of mine!
:toast:

I got caught in that 'attack' in 2002, so I got register for DU twice. :)
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:44 PM
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32. Likewise, and heck, you can even make me blush
...

So technically, you were a "sock puppet" without meaning to be one, and before it was temporarily the in vogue thing to do ! :toast:
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:41 PM
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59. A trend-setter even in my early days!
Here's a smiley just for you:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:50 PM
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64. OMG... I forgot that one!
I needed a smile tonight. LOL that is so funny!
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:52 PM
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65. Now go make Zomby sit in one of the kiddie-sized desks!
:)
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:57 PM
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67. Nah
his stuck listening/reading my whining tonight is punishment enough.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #67
68. Has he had to woof at you yet?
;)
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:59 PM
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71. I think he is trying
but I am woofing back. Now how is that for commemorating a mile marker?
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #71
72. He loves it when you woof back.
I'm positive. He loves a good verbal spar.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:08 AM
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74. It makes me moist
:D
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:11 AM
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76. almost pavlovian...
now see - that is a free association response ;-)
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:16 AM
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80. It wasn't free!
It cost me two bits! x(

:D
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #80
83. ah how easy to evade
association with free association.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:58 PM
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33. But ... You forgot about the most important issues:
Kudzu and olives!

Other than that, great job! :toast:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. And Yaks... dang, I forgot the Yaks...
my bad.

:hi:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 09:06 PM
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35. Remembering some trends... the "raise your hands if... " threads
the thong threads that got so out of hand that they were curbed...

the cooking battles...

ah... the memories...

thanks again :toast:
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 09:24 PM
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36. What a trip down memory lane
Hard to believe it's been so long.

And a big THANK YOU. If not for you, I likely would never have met my husband. :D
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 09:36 PM
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37. fair is fair...
I credit you with getting some very important community conversations going. So its not the same as facilitating and event that leads to meeting one's soul mate - but it is appreciated, nonetheless. And note that my little role in your marriage is a point of pride for me :-) :hug:
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. Hey, we could start a mutual admiration society.
:D
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 10:56 PM
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40. that would be nice...
as tonight I really wonder whether or not there is any space left for me at the DU lounge.

Perhaps it is stress from life that is exceptionally high right now, and its accompanying exhaustion. Or perhaps I am realizing that the forum has grown and in ways which excludes me. Heck - some old freinds are around tonight and no where to be seen. I don't post so much and havent for the past year and a half such that a milemarker for me ... now comes very rarely/slowly. Thus I tried to construct something to share my appreciation for this place. And I am very appreciative of those who have responded. But am left with a realization... as if I became an oldtimer misfit - and never realized it. Really a wierd feeling. Hope it is just the external stress. But when GD suddenly feels much more welcoming - it just seems... well, odd... and somewhat eye opening.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:08 PM
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42. I think you're making entirely too much of it
It is MUCH bigger than the old days, so threads sink much more quickly, regardless of the author.

Don't let the stress cloud your assessment. :hug:

(And, if all else fails, post something completely random and stupid and you could be surprised at the response. "What's your shoe size?" has worked for me in the past. Feel free to use it. ;-) )
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:14 PM
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45. too tired...
and still reflecting on the oddness of finding GD a heck of a lot more welcoming than the lounge. Sadly feeling like I have lost a long-time home, tonight.

Yes am probably over reacting - am in the midst of extreme stress and lack of sleep - but nevertheless... am feeling really alienated tonight. And while I have always kept DU pretty formal (ala relationships) after four + years it is a tad bit painful of a revelation.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 10:52 PM
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39. Harumph
No mention of beanbag chairs. x(
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 10:58 PM
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41. Thanks
but seriously... tonight I feel estranged... like the GD is a much more embracing forum - and that is a very strange awakening moment.

Could just be am more stressed than normal right now - but seriously... lounge right now feels for me like = alienation. Guess I am a latecomer to that particular lounge experience.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:09 PM
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43. It gets sorta frosty & clique-ish from time to time
Hey, it is March and a lot of the kids are feeling their sap risin.

Know there are many of us who wouldn't still be trying to make a differenc in the nation via DU were it not for gracious and thoughtful teachers such as yourself.

To salin :toast: To old friends and fine teachers along our paths at DU.

:hug:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #43
47. THank you havocmom
and I have always appreciated our exchanges. They may have to happen in LBN, GD and Editorials (which are slower in terms of actual direct interaction) b/c I am seriously feeling estranged tonight. Have felt it for awhile - but tonight it feels clearly defined rather than just an amorphous feeling. Seriously don't feel that except for a few long-timers... I really do not belong, am not welcomed, and oddly enough (given that this is the lounge and not GD) am met icily. Really odd realizaiton - not to mention uncomfortable.

Granted I am not usually one to over react - but I do recognize that I am in a period of extremely high stress -and perhaps it is me more than the space... but I don't really think that is the case.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:28 PM
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51. Toughen up
I average 2-3 repiles a thread anymore, and that is fine by me - I don't take it as "alienation" or being unwelcome - it's just the flow these days. The only reason that one thread got more is because David hijacked it.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:33 PM
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55. This wasn't a norma thread.
I hit maybe a milemarker a year these days (posted a heck of alot in the first 2 1/2 years)... this was more meaty - and even you were in the lounge and ignored it, as were other old friends.

Toughen up - it is more comfortable in GD - how much tougher is that? I am tired, and just a wee bit disturbed tonight. Gived me a break - have you known me to be a big drama queen? A big attention seeker? I can think of maybe two or three thread in the past four years that sought sympahty - and on this thread I didn't start out that way - I started out wanting to share. I am seriously bothered tonight. And yes alienated. Were I to whine about this perpetually - than yes, dismiss it as thin skin. In more than four years, do you recall I have ever complained about this before? I seriously am questioning the point of stopping in here anymore (not at DU - but at the lounge) - I would miss my friends - but would also miss some really odd dynamics that I wouldn't miss in the lament form of the word miss.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:37 PM
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56. That IS what is disturbing
Your whining about all of this. You know better.

I go off and on DU REAL QUICKLY these days. I didn't ignore your thread, I DID NOT SEE IT.

And considering the size of my ignore list, I probably miss a lot of your participation because there are a lot of threads started by people I cannot see.

And... I never participated in the Word Association threads at ANY time in the past 4 years or so. So I am being as consistent as possible.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:56 PM
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66. for me the WA threads are more recent
a great way to quickly drain my alert mental state (which has to be on high while I work 60=80 hrs a week) to the point where I can rest... sort of a mental wind down activity... easy to ignore - didn't know it was so irritating. I ignore (not put on ignore - but simply don't click on) all of the sexual innuendo threads - so I figured it was a draw, to each his/her own. I think I am reacting to something that I have sensed for almost a year now... that tonight feels palpable and real - no longer easy to ignore. And on this very thread where I started to celebrate, I come back to lament and finally see more crystalized how inappropriate this particular thread was - in this particular forum... perhaps better in one of the GDs - and that strikes me as sad... as even while this place became at times more prickly and distant... it has always still felt like a haven - and tonight I realize what has been growing - it really is no longer a haven, at least for me.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:11 PM
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44. The Lounge has been crappy since November 2004
A plague of narcissists and slobs took over. And attention whore teenagers. Basically, I am here to maintain some semblance of the Old Order. Stick around!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:20 PM
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48. I don't know that I can.
Seriously.

Odd thing to come to on a thread that was started as a celebration of what I have experienced/witnessed in the past four years. Given that my posting has seriously slowed down (due to life) in the past year and a half - i do not hit mile markedrs often... I wanted to reflect and share... and find myself reflecting on something altogether different. Seriously something has changed when one finds GD more welcoming than the lounge. Never thought I would say *that*.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:22 PM
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49. Roger that!
And we appreciate your efforts

Um, am I an old-bie or a newbie? Sure as hell no teenager.

Sometimes I feel like giving a bunch of time out orders. Not unlike the pre-school class I helped with around here.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:23 PM
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50. You're one of the gems
I am thankful you are here. It isn't the longevity that matters, it's the humanity. :D
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:29 PM
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53. Oh! The humanity!
Edited on Sat Mar-18-06 11:30 PM by havocmom
sorry, couldn't resist. And anybody too young or historically illiterate to get it can bite me.

See, I am learning to be a smart alec jerk! Think the new kiddies will think I am cool? Think I give a rats ass what they think ;)

Some times I get pretty lonely around here. As a matter of fact, was sort thinking along the same line as salin this evening.

And I miss Miss Teena a lot. Give her a hug if ya see her.

edited cuz I am tired and typing worse than usual
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:31 PM
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54. I talked to Teena 2 nights ago
I reminder her we love her and miss her. :-)

She knows the score, that's for sure.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:39 PM
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57. Thanks for the update. Wanted to email her several times this week
but didn't want to pester her.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:45 PM
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61. She could use a kind word!
Or two or three. :-)

Do it! You will make her feel better.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:49 PM
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62. Thanks, ZW
Being a 'middle child' I have a dread of being a pest. But I think of her every day and miss the gems she zings out there!
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:16 PM
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46. My dear salin!
As the relative newbie to the seasoned goddess/warrior!

I salute you!:patriot:

This is one hellova synopsis...Thank you for it!

I am proud as well as humbled at being able to call you friend....

Recommended.....

And here's to many more such intelligent threads!

:toast:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:28 PM
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52. Thank you for the nice response.
Oddly enough - I have through this thread come to the conclusion that I no longer fit in the lounge. Odd - eh. Can't quite explain it - but even folks I have conversed with throughout the above (OP) stories - are here - but not responding. Like its just not the sort of thing we talk about in the lounge - or worse, I am not the sort of person one talks to in the lounge? Been growing for awhile - but tonight I realize I have more comraderie and welcome-ness (not a word, but you know what I mean) in the ever dreaded/combative GD than I do in the lounge. It is nothing personal to anyone in the lounge - just that it has changed as the number of denizens has increased, and I don't fit with the direction that it has grown. A natural (though uncomfortable for me) progression of a growing discussion board.

So while I greatly appreciate your words, such "intelligent threads" as you complitmentary term it - may have to be found at other parts of the DU in the future.

So odd to say that for the first time in four years.
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Ron Mexico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:40 PM
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58. Bookmarked and appreciated.
Thanks for sharing and congrats on the milestone!

Ron
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #58
69. Thanks Ron...
it really has been an interesting ride. May you find it as interesting, as well.
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Ron Mexico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:04 AM
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73. I already do, but it sure was
interesting to read your account of what took place before last April, which is when I joined. I feel like a private listening to stories from a war hero general here. :)
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:15 AM
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79. more like reflections from an active observer
:D Wouldn't claim more than that. Glad that you appreciated it - it was rather fun to reminisce as I thought through it while typing it up. Am certain that I missed a whole lot of interesting stuff.. when the time comes you can fill in the gaps in your own reflections starting in the Spring of the beginning of the second (predictably disasterous) bushjr administration.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:59 PM
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70. salin...
Edited on Sat Mar-18-06 11:59 PM by MrsGrumpy
Thank you for making us think...and then rethink.
Thank you for supporting us.
Thank you for being our friend.
For caring. For fun. For all of the things which make you the unique person you are.

You really are something. :toast:

On edit: you should cross post this in GD...it would be appreciated there by all who admire you as well.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:10 AM
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75. Mrs.Grumpy
tonight I have become the grumpy one. It did occur to me that this was perhaps more GD material (per the tribute) than the lounge. Maybe in the morning I will cross post it (if the mods don't mind). I do have to say that I am left, ironically, in a very odd space tonight at the lounge, esp given tht point of thre thread which was to share a celebration and a reflections. Can't quite put my finger on it - but tonight I feel like something I have sensed for a long time but haven't ptu my finger upon ... but that I feel more comraderie and more of a sense of welcome in other parts of the forum than in the lounge. It is odd - because it was my instinct to put this thread here - as this has for so long felt like my 'safe haven'. Funny how we do things out of habit. Tonight I finally put into words for myself - that this particular space, no longer feels like home... it has grown - which is generally healthy - but in a way that rather excludes some of us who used to find this home. Really odd, and sad melancholy note to find myself upon tonight.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:12 AM
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77. You get no argument from me.
I stay because I hope that some of staying will restore the sense of friendship that truly rang throughout this place...without the inside jokes, the covert cruelty. I stay because a few of you still make me beam on really bad days. I'm sorry the night has been rough. I know that feeling all too well.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:24 AM
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84. The next seventy two hours (after sleep) are going to be so busy,
that by the time i recover from them - perhaps all my irritation/dsicomfort will have subsided a bit. Like you - I have remained for the lightbeam of old friends, and newcomers who become friends... but it gets hard - and I really have found more interesting and warm exchanges, in recent times, in GD - which frankly (for its history of deciveness) is a bit notable.
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belladonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:19 AM
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81. Thanks for posting this
So much has happened since the idiot Boy King came into office and you summed up my very own experience on DU (and probably lots of other members too) nicely.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 03:39 AM
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85. You'll always be one o'my very favorite DU'ers....
....I LOVE YOU so don't ever forget it!!



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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 04:24 AM
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86. You know, you practically have the outline of a book there.
With a little fluff, I see great possibilities.

You did, I think, forget some of the "tweener" issues like tort reform, the Green/ Nader/ Dem wars, Wellstone's death and all the hoopla following the memorial...Wellstone DU'ers...the mid terms in 02 (remember, you and I and Armstead used to be on AIM every night back then?)...and probably about 100 other Bushco crimes ( ain't it the shits? We've forgotten more of them than we remember due to the sheer volume?)

I read this whole thread up to this point..I hear you on all of it...

congrats on your milestone of distinction in that it was acheived via 80% well thought out informative posts, 20% light- hearted fun, and 100% heart from a...well....totally fucking incredible human being. While it's a huge milestone, some people now reach it in a matter of months, not years...so it ain't the numbers in your case...

I love you,
Teena
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 07:22 AM
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87. So much to try to capture
and you filled in some of the gaps... there were the investigative threads into just who was on the Defense Policy Board and how they were connected to other organizations - after the revelation that Perle had been turning his connection there (then chair - resigned the chair but stayed on the board) into a source for making money for his new "security" consultanting gig. And a number of huge collaborative efforts and some indivdiuals who then collected files and posted up dates - much like H20 man does today - Skip Fox, I belive, used to put together some great compilations.

Oh on the light hearted side... what about the skulls and bones spats?
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 03:50 PM
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88. The long, strange journey gets stranger and stranger
Thank you for the recap of the plot so far. I can't seem to find archives beyond July of 2003, and I often wonder what went on before then...I was there, but I don't even remember, and I can't even remember when I signed up. This place has grown so much, and the world is shrinking around it.

Congratulations on the 35 kiloposts, too. A fair few whippersnappers of late have racked up that many in a mere fraction of the time, but your posts had and have substance -- heck, even if they focused mostly on yaks and boobies (I am proud to say that this has been my greatest contribution to DU, including the intersection between these two categories) they'd at least be thoughtful musings on these mammalian topics.

:yourock:
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 07:24 PM
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89. Its been way too long...
to still be stuck in this political mess.

I do not post here much anymore, or even lurk often, so I've missed your insightful contributions over the last year. Congrats on 35,000 of them!

:bounce: :toast: :party:

--Peter
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 10:07 PM
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90. so incredibly great to see your name
post and words. Wow - you were with me when I first cut my teeth on an issue I previously knew absolutely nothing about... the whole energy bill and related issues. Digging into that was quite an eye opener... and personally a motivator to read news items very closely to be aware enough to see who disparate things actually fit together.

So very glad to see you! :loveya:

Hope all is swell with you - and I do hope that we continue to cross paths from time to time.
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 10:10 PM
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91. omg....Salin
Look at all the cool people you brought out of the woodworks!!!

Let's keep this thread kicked up high for a few days!

maybe even LevinsonK will show up! ;)

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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 10:46 PM
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92. Congratulations!
I don't drop by the lounge very often. I was glad I caught this. 35,000 posts.

:wow: :bounce: :woohoo: :toast: :popcorn: :hug: :yourock:


Time sure flies. :hi:
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