Star Trek medicine is here

[The Straight Story]

STAR TREK MEDICINE IS HERE!
by Dr. Keith Scott-Mumby



One of the most brilliant healing machines I discovered in my search for future trends while writing VIRTUAL MEDICINE is the Russian SCENAR device (self-controlled energo-neuro-adaptive-regulation. Actually, it's a whole family of machines and I predict they will completely change the face of medicine in the next 20 years. They are fast, portable, cheap and effective against almost any condition, from treat sports injuries, strokes, angina, acute infections, back pains and irritable bowel disease (as well as pre-menstrual tension and post-surgical complications) and even defibrillating hearts!

BACKGROUND

The origin of the machine is surrounded in secrecy from the Russian military. But it clearly springs from research into the electro-magnetic field effects of the body's biological energy. Eventually, a team of scientists and doctors was assembled to study possible medical applications of the technology. The SCENAR researchers subsequently used it to study an Eastern therapy known as zonal contact massage. The intention had been to develop some way of altering the pressure of the massage, according to skin response (in VIRTUAL MEDICINE chapter 3, I described how the dielectric potential of collagen tissue is stimulated by pressure).

Equipment was developed to monitor magnetic effects taking place in the skin and use these to modulate changes in pressure of the massage. The establishment of a biofeedback mechanism led to the creation of a device whose output would depend on skin energetic response.

The aim is to stimulate the body's own endogenous energies to effect the cure, creating a cascade of endogenous neuropeptides. This allows the body its own choice of healing ingredients; a sort of on-board pharmacy. Through biofeedback an interaction is formed between the tissues and the instrument, each new signal evolves as a new output. No two consecutive signals from the device are the same. This allows the treatment to be truly dynamic, adjusting for changes in the body through time and in different physiological states.

The term SCENAR was born. It is yet another brilliant marriage of Western electronic technology and Eastern energetic healing skills (which is what VIRTUAL MEDICINE is all about).

http://www.alternative-doctor.com/home_page_articles/scenar.htm

[Greyhound]

1. Bookmarking for tomorrow.

:kick:

[walldude]

2. How often does that happen? Military technology converted

to medical technology instead of the other way around.

[tocqueville]

3. is spamming allowed on DU ? next is virtual Viagra

this is pseudoscience

[The Straight Story]

8. Not my product :)

Mentioned on Coast to Coast and thought it interesting.

[tocqueville]

13. for someone with a minimal scientific background this is pure

BULLSHIT

I am amazed that this is legal in the US

on the guy's site :


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These people need clean drinking water and treated mosquito nets , not condoms and lectures and deadly pharmaceuticals forced on pregnant mothers.

We've put 20 years and $118 billion into HIV. We've got no cure, no vaccine and no progress. Instead we have thousands of people made sick and even killed by toxic AIDS drugs. But we can't just treat them for the diseases we know they have because if we do, we're called “AIDS denialists.” Treating them for the diseases they actually have would be more humane and effective than forcing toxic drugs down their throats, and it would also save billions of tax dollars. AIDS is a multi-billion dollar industry. There are 100,000 professional AIDS researchers in this country. It's as hard to challenge as big tobacco at this point.

[The Straight Story]

16. So it's not just religious people who claim to cure, scientists do it as

well.

Well, at least some do :)

People buy into hope - and it does not matter who sells it or how. We could be a world of atheists and we would still have faith healers and goofy gadgets.

Now excuse me while I head off to watch the home shopping network, I think they got some new thing I cannot live without and will make all my cares melt away. Oh wait, I thought that with my first marriage - sadly there was no money back guarantee on her!

[leeroysphitz]

42. Are you re-labeling SNAKE OIL salesmen like this as scientists

to apologize for faith healer whackos?

[eallen]

4. Looks like commercial spam to me.

Is this a place to advertise one's products?

[Kailassa]

5. Does it cure orange trees too?

Or do we still need holy water for that?

[drhilarius]

6. This is bunk through and through...

the tell tale signs of quackery:

1)"The aim is to stimulate the body's own endogenous energies to effect the cure". Nebulous energies? Check

2)"The origin of the machine is surrounded in secrecy from the Russian military". Product of top secret research? check.

3)"The SCENAR researchers subsequently used it to study an Eastern therapy known as zonal contact massage". Trying to establish credibility by appealing to eastern pseudo-science? check.

this is bunk through and through.

[Kailassa]

9. For treating strokes and defibrillating hearts?????

"They are fast, portable, cheap and effective against almost any condition, from treat sports injuries, strokes, angina, acute infections, back pains and irritable bowel disease (as well as pre-menstrual tension and post-surgical complications) and even defibrillating hearts!"

Even to post hogwash like that is irresponsable. This is the sort of thing that kills people by making them delay getting urgent medical attention in life-or-death situations.

And it gives alternative medicine in general a bad name.

[Crayson]

33. Such a device could influece all electrical processes in your body

Well once you have a stroke it's probably too late.

But defibrillating a heart is nothing else than bringing the electrical current of your nerves back to normal.
This can easily be done by applying a defibillator (electrical current) or an electrical field.

Since we know that where there is a current there is a field and vice versa.


So I'd view it pretty probably that such an that works with electrical fields can treat a variety of illnesses that are electrcity-based (anything having to do with your neuro system)

For illnesses that are chemistry-based it wouldn't work of course (like all genetics, blood factors, lack of anything) except if they could be electrically influenced.

[salvorhardin]

37. Your nervous system is electro-chemically based

If your heart is in fibrillation your nerves are still working just fine. There is nothing wrong with their "electrical current". The problem lies in that the nerves that trigger the contractions of your heart are firing out of sequence resulting in your heart not pumping efficiently (or at all). In fact, the term fibrillation means irregular rapid, twitching motions. Your heart just sits there quivering. Defribrillation works by using a high voltage electrical shock to cause all the heart muscles to contract at once. Hopefully this acts a reset and normal rhythm will be restored.

Any such device that works with electricity is easily capable of stopping your heart as well.

So I'd view it pretty probably that such an that works with electrical fields can treat a variety of illnesses that are electrcity-based (anything having to do with your neuro system)

Again, your nervous system is electrochemically based. There is no such thing as an electricity based illness.

[Frank Cannon]

47. All right, now, be honest

Let's say, God forbid, you've just had a heart attack and are lying on the floor unconscious in v-fib. Sitting next to you are one of these mumbo-jumbo machines and a conventional portable defibrillator. Which of these would you rather have used on you?

You have approximately four minutes to decide.

[Kailassa]

11. My apologies, drhilarious, Post 9 was not directed at you.

I was replying to the opening post.

[Speck Tater]

7. Russian "scientists" are notorious for their crackpottery.

Not a day goes by that Pravda doesn't announce some outratgeous new "scientific breakthrough" like anti-gravity machines, perpetual motion, etc. This is just more of the same nonsense. There's not a shred of truth to it.

[salvorhardin]

10. Right

And if it reads like a script for a late night infomercial, you can be sure the actual device is about as reliable as that spray paint baldness cure. Worse, this thing sounds like it could kill someone.

[FlaGranny]

12. That is an amateurish web site.

The writing is NOT that of a medical professional (what is energetic skin?), and the cure for every disease sounds like snake oil.

[salvorhardin]

14. And how many medical websites do you know

That have ads on the sidebar that read 'click here to meet the fairy man'? :-)

[beam me up scottie]

21. I don't even want to know.

Nuh unh.

NOT going there.

[salvorhardin]

38. It's true!

Dr. Alternative there has the following ad in the sidebar on his site:


Now that's quality medical advice!

[The Straight Story]

35. But, he is DR! Surely he would not lead us astray like religious leaders

would...would he?

I guess it does not matter what beliefs one holds. There are quacks in all fields. But - shhhhh - don't tell the anti-religion folks this :)

[Rainscents]

15. Thanks for this link!

[beam me up scottie]

17. WHERE CAN I GET ONE???

:rofl:

[salvorhardin]

18. I wonder if it comes with attachments

For those special "alone" times...

[beam me up scottie]

23. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww

I can hear that sultry voice on the teevee now.

[FM Arouet666]

29. Heck, it works for damn near everything.

Step right up folks and buy this here electromagnetic cure of what ails the human body. Comes with the family attachment pack, hook junior up while laying in the crib, wham-o no more colic, no more poop at three a.m. It even comes with a pet attachment, Scruffy keeps leaving unwanted fecal pickles on the new shag carpet, hook em up to the miracle device. Screw milk bones, Scruffy will be coming back for more.

No more poo, no more crying baby, the wife is satisfied and you have a bigger grin than that dork on the Enzyme commercial.

[WoodrowFan]

36. it turned me into a newt! (NT)

[salvorhardin]

39. fecal pickles?

Damn, just when you think you know every euphemism for scat there is, along comes FM Arouet666 to prove you wrong. :-)

[FM Arouet666]

46. Shit, that was Enzyte no enzyme, damn spell checker.

[The Straight Story]

19. You can order it from the back of a comic I think

Along with the X-ray glasses, I think they have a bundled price...

[beam me up scottie]

20. Yeah, next to the sea monkeys!

And the ad with the skinny guy getting sand kicked in his face!

[Odin2005]

22. I can't beleive people fall for this shit.

[Crayson]

32. Often not shit at all

Many studies DO prove that ancient therapy methods DO work.
We often just don't technically know how it really works, but it mostly does.
Think of acupuncture and similar things.

Throw your ignorance overboard when somebody says esotheric stuff like "aura". But instead think of it in modern technical terms like an electrical field.

Where current flows there is always an electrical field. Nerve impulses and brain activity are nothing else but electrical current and fields. Every being has an electrical field around itself (birds use it to navigate or fishes like the eel or sharks even use it as sensory input or to stun their prey!!)

The process of THINKING can be made visible Magnetic Resonance Tomography.

Electrical fields can be influenced for the good or the bad.
Do you live under a high voltage electricity?
You'll get a headache sooner or later and be prone to develope cancer.

Ancient techniques often DO work, we are only just know enough technically advanced to explain why!


(And speaking about it, there have been some very interesting experiments with volunteers in electrical fields or at places with strong magnetic fields and in exactly those places people often speak of seeing ghosts and feeling strange presences or being disoriented and so forth... ELECTRICAL FIELDS DO INFLUENCE YOUR BODY AND BRAIN!!
Accept it!)

Therefor my motto is:
There are no mysteries, we just don't know how it works yet.

[Orsino]

40. Warning bells: "energy" and "magnetic"

It's quackery.

[salvorhardin]

41. Learn how your nervous system works

http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/farabee/BIOBK/BioBookNERV.html

[TheMadMonk]

24. I agree it looks like bunk. However,...

so did T(C?)MS (Trans-cranial magnetic stimulation).

So, put it to the test. If it works the appropriate comparative studies will demonstrate that it works.

Now worry about how it works. We might even get a better handle on accupuncture for our troubles.

Screwy medicine need not be bad medicine. However any medicine must be effacious medicine.


Fortunately mainstream medicine is now seriously looking into the "wacky" alternative varieties instead of dissmissing them out of hamd. Often finding itself pleasantly surprised and other times standing vindicated.

Homeopathy by all tests is placebo medicine. At least some aspects of accupuncture are not.

Herbology runs the full gammut from deadly dagerous all the way through placebo to bloody miraculous. Modern Western medicine's biggest mistake was fogetting that this was where it got its beginnings.

Aromatherapy??? My personal feeling is that it will at least help inasmuch as a happy and relaxed patient will get better better and that certain odours may have some physiological effect. Eucalyptus oil being a good if somewhat pungent example.

Certain "screwball" touch/massage techniques such as "Touch for Health" and "Ballancing" might also have the same happymaking/relaxing effect.

The danger of such therapies is not that they are inherently dangerous or ineffectual. It is that they will almost invariably have some limmited positive effect. This is fine when it comes to getting over a cold. Not so fine if the real problem is sepsis from an ulcerated colon. Without some other form of treatment the best that can be hoped for with the last is to die a little happier.

Therapies which affect a patient's personal sense of wellbeing will always have a place as an adjunct to uncomfortable (if not downright painful) but necessary "conventional" prcedures. Anything which makes a patient happier during the course of their treatment/illness will have a positive effect since it boosts all kinds of physiological systems including the imune system and contrawise, a negative outlook can litterally be a death sentence.

For years the brusqueness of modern medicine was offset by a general belief in the "wizardry" of medicine. But these days, medicine is no longer wizardry, it's science and science isn't allowed to get it wrong.

The one danger which is common to all branches of medicine is a sense of personal infallibility infecting a practitioner that leads them to promising cures that are beyond the ability of themselves or their craft. Modern medicine is held in check in this regard by regulations and formal procedures.

The best thing that can be done for both "Conventional Medicine" and all the many "Alterrnative" therapies is to subject all of those alternatives, no matter how screwy, to exactly the same rigorous analysis as is demanded for the mainstream of medicine. Label the inherently harmless placebos as such. Quantify the effaciousness of "wellbeing" therapies for use in conjunction with conventional practices. Hunt out the true gems.

And finally write the Hipocratic oath into law: If the quantifiable harm outweighs the good then it doesn't get done. The demonstrably good gets given its own place in the treatment regimines.

[Kailassa]

25. Sure this machine can do stuff., It can make money for quacks

and it can bring ridicule on DU.

What it can't do is treat strokes and defibrillate hearts.

[TheMadMonk]

27. I never for once suggested it could.

Do the articles on the device in question make those claims?

My take from what I skimmed is that it supposedly works on soft tissue damage. It might well be nothing more than a strange and expensive massage mitt.

However, enough of the supposedly weird and wacky has been shown to work, that dismissing the new out of hand is a dangerous thing to do.

First it can blind you to that which is in fact effacious (as happened for years with accupuncture) and secondly, growing distrust in the "authorativeness" of conventional medicine leaves the gullible open to exploitation. Finally isn't it better to stop the charlatans before they do their damage than afterwards.

[Kailassa]

30. You couldn't even read the 3rd sentence in the linked article?

As I already quoted in a previous post ...

"They are fast, portable, cheap and effective against almost any condition, from treat sports injuries, strokes, angina, acute infections, back pains and irritable bowel disease (as well as pre-menstrual tension and post-surgical complications) and even defibrillating hearts!"

Yes, the charlatan making these claims should certainly be stopped before he does his damage rather than afterwards.

[TheMadMonk]

34. I see it does. Skim reading can do that to people.

Skim reading a second time is good for making oneself look like an idiot. So yes I suppose this one belongs on the bunkum pile without further study.

However, I stand by the gist of my arguments and add:

Medicine's kneejerk and arrogant rejection of alternative therapies that were in fact effacious in the past works to the advantage of the charlatans today.

[Random_Australian]

26. I'll accept bits and pieces of that, but not this:

"For years the brusqueness of modern medicine was offset by a general belief in the "wizardry" of medicine. But these days, medicine is no longer wizardry, it's science and science isn't allowed to get it wrong."

*sigh* today we have many medicines. Many, MANY more were suggested and have been tried. People of the medical proffession will not accept anything unless it can be 1) Tested and retested independently,
2) standardised. After these things may be slighty or limitedly (if that's a word) accepted. However, to gain widespread acceptance and usage, a medicine must be understood, otherwise there is no way of predicting adverse reactions in people of unusual physiology, and certaintly no way to predict how it will react with other treatments and drugs.

The main reason for the non-acceptance is not arrogance. To test something independantly you need numbers, you need to be able to do widespread testing to determine accuracy too, which is why medicines are usually used on mice first.

Finally, if the process is not understood, it fails step 3. Those in medicine and medicinal science are not arrogant, they aren't simply refusing to look at these because they're 'whacko'. Scientists will not accept anything without evidence. If they had, we wouldn't have science. Yes, I'm well aware of the anecdotal evidence, and the few clinical trials mentioned. Just remember, independently and extensively repeatable.

btw, Down with The Mad Monk! (Non-Australian users, note please this is not an insult to TheMadMonk, it refers to his namesake, a RW health minister)

[FM Arouet666]

28. Will it work on my hemorrhoids?

Perhaps a soviet era nuclear missile shaped device is available to smoothly insert into the afflicted area? As for your web site, I will have to defer till tomorrow, a bit too much to digest in the wee hours of the night.

Perhaps I could shove a D-cell up my private space to treat the roids? Is my rectum AC or DC, 110 v or 220 v, damn, I wish we could have a standard system for these things. I guess I will have to go buy some expensive conversion adapter to fix my engorged booty. Wireless perhaps? The future awaits us with fantastic cures.

Ouch!, damn thing, got to hit the head.

[Kailassa]

31. Small peppermint tea iceblocks.

This is not intended as a replacement for any medical therapy.

[BigMcLargehuge]

43. Warning from SCENAR manufacturer!!!!

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Not actual customer. Image representative of patented Aluminum garment

Don't hesistate! Call today or visit our extensive website! The only thing standing between you and the health usually ascribed to residents of Mt. Olympus is your unhealthy skepticism.

[Bassic]

44. That sounds pretty cool.

Hope it works.

[DrGonzoLives]

45. Does it run on free energy?

Or vibrating harmonic crystals?