I just found out my coworker is a rapist.

[RandomKoolzip]

We hired this guy, an ex-marine, a few weeks ago. He seemed very quiet; a hard worker, but little or no sense of humor, and a tendancy to get in the way. A few female workers here voiced comments along the lines of "That guy's kinda creepy" and "He keeps staring at me," but nobody really suspected he was anything but a regular, quiet guy.

The girlfriend of one of the bartenders here recognized him from another job he'd worked at, which he was fired from for exposing himself to other workers. So we did a little digging...

...And found out he's a registered sex offender. Turns out the guy was arrested at age fourteen for raping his brother and sister, both of whom were younger than nine years old at the time. We're still not sure what his punishment was for this crime, but apparently he joined the military not long after and spent several years in the Marine Corps.

Of course, we fired him after finding this out.

Anyway...needless to say, I'm fucking CREEPED OUT right now. :scared: I hope karma gets that little shit.

On edit...I just saw the "Have you ever worked with a sociopath" thread. How ironic.

[tjdee]

1. The Marines take registered sex offenders?

Okay, that's creepy. :scared:

[RandomKoolzip]

2. I dunno; maybe he lied to them to get in.

We're still not totally clued in about his entire history; there's a a lot of blank space. All we know is that he raped his siblings and a few years later was in the Marines...then got accepted to a Culinary School, then was fired from a job for showing his cock to a coworker.

What an asshole.

[tjdee]

4. You'd think they run a background check, though.

I mean, lots of "regular" jobs run background checks, credit checks, etc.... you guys found it, for pete's sake, and the Marines...didn't?

That sounds weird.

But you're right, this guy sounds like a bonafide nut. Glad you found out before he did something awful.

[RandomKoolzip]

5. There's ways to get around that stuff.

I mean, when WE hired him, we were dumb and didn't check into his history. We merely got his SSN, his tax info, and BAM, he was employed. It was only AFTEr an employee recognized his face from a previous job that we decided to do research.

I have no idea what the requisites are to join the Marines. This just happened yesterday, so if the details are a little fuzzy, that's cuz even *I*'m not totally sure about them all.

[Radical Activist]

22. why not?

Rape has always been a common part of war.

[flvegan]

3. I'm surprised that record isn't otherwise sealed.

I mean, 14? Maybe for sexual offenses it's different.

Apparently, he puts off some creepy vibes for that many folks to pick it up.

[RandomKoolzip]

6. That's the thing: my "creepdar" wasn't going off AT ALL.

I just thought he was pretty quiet because he was new and wasn't fully acclimated to the working environment.

Like I said, we don't know what happened between age 14 and joining the Marines. Maybe he was in a juvenile detention center. We're still finding out details.

[mdmc]

7. any adult crime?

very sad story about him and his siblings. Hopefully there was some treatment and therapy for all involved (I know you don't know this stuff / history randomkoolzip... I'm just sayin). I've worked with a lot of raped kids...very sad...

[RandomKoolzip]

11. Apparently he had exposed himself at his previous job.

And gotten fired for it.

Ick.

[mdmc]

14. no crime in that. he took it out

:)
ick indeed...

[radwriter0555]

20. Actually it is a criminal offense.. lewd behavior type of thing.

Ick is right.

[mdmc]

21. agreed

he took it out

[Gormy Cuss]

17. An arrest at 14 in most jurisdictions would be sealed.

Of course, some newspaper may have seen fit to print his name and that's why the arrest is known but not the outcome because the court seal can't take back what is reported.

[greatauntoftriplets]

29. The guy is a pedophile...

An equal-opportunity pedophile, but nevertheless.

[johnnie]

8. We have one at work also

He is still working there.

You better watch out though, when I posted about finding the person that I work with online and that he was a registered sex offender, I caught three kinds of hell here at DU.

I was surprised to see how many people thought that looking online at the registered sex offender list was wrong and that I have no business knowing that information. :eyes:

[RandomKoolzip]

9. Forewarned is forearmed, IMO.

Best to know this stuff before anything bad happens. Why people choose to protect sex offenders is beyond me, and I consider myself pretty fucking liberal.

Your supervisors know he's a sex offender, right?

[Fenris]

10. There's nothing liberal about protecting sex offenders.

[RandomKoolzip]

12. The VICTIMS of sex offenders, yes.

But there are people here who are sympathetic to the plight of those who choose to victimize the powerless, like johnnie says. I've seen it too.

Appalling.

[Flaxbee]

18. Well, what would you have happen to convicted felons?

Send them off to the moon?

I agree, sex crimes are horrible, and there is a very high degree of recidivism. But if he's served his time and is trying to make a living -- b/c he has no other way to survive than work -- what do you think this guy or others like him should do?

[RandomKoolzip]

23. You can't rehabilitate pedophiles.

No matter what kind of punishment the state metes out, pedophiles will ALWAYS be attracted to children, and be tempted to act on that attraction. I have no idea what to do with them, bar longer (much much longer) sentences and harsher penalties.

[asthmaticeog]

30. Does it count as pedophilia given that he was 14 at the time?

I mean clinically. Obviously someone that would rape his younger sibs is deeply troubled and desperately needs to be avoided, just like how the creepy kids who torture animals never come to any good, but is that actually pedophilia? Has he done suchlike as an adult? If the co-worker he exposed himself to was an adult, it would seem to my (in my totally amateur way) that the objects of his paraphilia would be grownups.

Not that this makes any different pragmatically, a creepy pervy fuckup is a creepy pervy fuckup, I'm just seeing a lot of the word "pedophile" in this thread and I'm wondering if that's really so.

[RandomKoolzip]

31. At fourteen, if you don't have this shit sorted out...

...you're pretty much hopeless for the rest of your life. If you can't tell that raping your eight-year old brother and sister is just kinda....wrong somehow, even at 14, or if the thought makes you horny, you're safely in the "pedophile" corner as far as I'm concerned.

When I was fourteen I was the horniest kid in the world, but only for girls my age or older. I would have been creeped out if I found myself getting erotic impulses from looking at pre-pubescent children, and I suspect that I speak for a lot of guys here when I say that. At 14, I could conceive a power relationship there, a definite predator-on-prey paradigm.

BTW, the dude in question was really big. 6'5" or so, over 200 pounds, all muscle.

[johnnie]

16. Some of the people know he is

To what extent, I don't know. My immediate supervisor (engineering) didn't know until we all found it, but he was quite surprised. I don't know if they knew it when they hired him. The guy works in the shop and I don't think that part of his background really matters.

[tammywammy]

13. I don't understand why knowing that information would be bad

I've regularly checked it out. We saw that a convicted child molester had moved in on the street. He had just been released from a lengthly prison sentence. It was just a heads up for the neighbors that have children. No one picketed his home or anything, and he moved away after a month (I think he was just living with his parents or something until he could get a place of his own).

When I moved into this apartment complex not only did I check the sex offender list, but I also checked the crime statistics for it for the last year (so not only would I know if a rapist lived there, but also if there were a lot of car break-ins and such).

[RandomKoolzip]

15. Nothing wrong with that at all.

I can't see liberals getting upset about something like that. Libertarians, maybe....

[MoonRiver]

19. I'm the OP of that sociopath thread.

I don't think she's THAT bad, but she has a lot of power over innocent people. When she targets you it is a kind of psychological rape.

[Heidi]

24. Did he serve his time?

Maybe that was his karma, huh? Look, I don't like sex offenders, either, but it doesn't help anything when we, as so-called progressives, don't do our part to integrate paroled offenders back into society, with the appropriate awareness (which we should have anyway, instead of going through life blindly, trusting everyone and everything).

Who _wouldn't_ seem a little "different" than others after having had both a stint in the Marines and a term in prison? Those are life-changing events, no?

Heidi, donning flame-retardeant suit.

[RandomKoolzip]

26. Well, when a guy is guilty of raping his brother and

sister at age fourteen, and at 23 or 24 is walking free, able to get a job around women, all of whom were much smaller than him physically, and he flashes his penis to some of those women, somehow I DON'T think this schmuck ever learned much of a lesson. In fact, I think he really ought to still be behind bars.

Look, I honestly (and this will get me flamed, I know), DON'T believe that pedophiles and rapists can ever really truly be "rehabilitated." A sexual deviant is a sexual deviant. He can stand on his head, change his name, castrate himself, whatever; he will still have those deviant impulses. What's to say he won't act on them again?

I can totally understand a dude who made a horrible mistake, paid for it via prison time, and came out the other end wanting to make up for it and feeling horrible about what he'd done...yes, someone like that I can have sympathy for. THIS guy was different. He was exposing himself to female coworkers just a few years after raping his brother and sister! Someone like that, I believe, ought to be in prison, away from the general population.

[Evergreen Emerald]

27. "integrate paroled offenders back into society"

That concept, at the heart of our judicial system, has proven not to work for sex offenders. So, the least restrictive alternative is to warn others that there is a potential danger in this specific offender. There are arguments about whether or not warning works, or gives a false sense of security, or goes far enough, or goes too far. We are attempting to work out that answer as we re-think the "clean slate" concept that appears to put our children at risk.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

25. He's probably already had his karma.

*steps into flame suit*

The Marines and a probable prison/juvy hall term aren't walks in the park. Nobody likes sex offenders, and I can sympathize with how odd you must be feeling to have found this out, but I'd just try to reserve any more judgment on him. He's out of your life now, anyway, or as much as anybody can be. Just try to relax, and let go of him...I'm sure it's not worth caring much more about.

:shrug:

;) :hi:

On Edit: Just saw that Heidi posted much of the same thing. :D

[bettyellen]

28. a stint in the marines is karmic payback for child rape?

are you fucking kidding me? the military is a great place for sexual predators, he probably had the time of his life.

[thefool_wa]

32. Yes - OMG yes...

and unfortunately we did not have the luxury of it being a repeat offender (first timer). I work in a call center and one day on the news I see a courtroom shot of this guy in my department (of about 30-40 people) wearing county orange and shackles. The announcer says he forced his way into a home (10 blocks or so from my home) and held a nine year old girl and her 11 year old friend at knife-point then attempted to sexually assault them.

Everyone here felt like we'd been kicked in the gut. It was scary on a level I had never imagined.

The creepiness will pass, though our incident was 2 years ago and sometimes it still gives me the willies.

Hang in there.

:hug:

[Fleshdancer]

35. Holy crap.

how horrible! :scared:

[no name no slogan]

33. He was probably raped as a child

Many molesters and rapists were abused as children, too.

You should be wary of him, yes-- but at the same time, you need to have some compassion, too. If he's exposing himself to people at work, he needs help. He's a sick person. But it's highly unlikely he'll ever get it.

Unfortunately the mental health and criminal justice systems in this country are so fucked up it's unlikely he'll ever get the help he needs.

Everybody needs to be aware of him, but chances are he'll fuck up and expose himself again (and get fired again). If he does, he needs to be reported, arrested and given a trial. It's the only way he (or society) will ever get help.

[LostinVA]

36. He actually is probably a sociopath

Especially seeing that he's still committing sexual crimes. Many serial rapists,e tc., start at a young age. He never will get it if he is, indeed soaiotahoic... because he sees nothing wrong with what he's done/is doing. That's the Catch-22 of this -- can't rehab a sociopath.

Re: the "creepdar." ALWAYS go with your gut. Gavin De Becker wrote a book called "Gift of Fear." And, even though he';s a bit of a tool, I agree with him: for women, especially, that gut instinct, feeling of fear, creepdar, whatever, is a GIFT. Use it. Don't solve it aside and get all societal and proper... "Ooh, I should give him a chance, that's the polite thing to do," etc.

[Fleshdancer]

34. how weird

I really don't know what to think about a 14 yr old arrested for raping his siblings. 14? Wow. No idea what to say other than I hope he found the help he obviously needed and I hope the survivors are ok. :shrug:

too weird. What did your instincts tell you about him before you found this out?