well it looks like Basic Instinct 2 got a 6% on rotten tomatoes

[sundog]

i assume sharon stone will carry home the coveted razzie award next year



rule of thumb: don't even try to emulate a Verhoeven film... he usually makes his point the first time round (that he actually -has- a point is debatable, but still)

[ghostsofgiants]

1. I really hope that whoever greenlighted that got fired.

[Fenris]

2. It got the same freshness rating that 'Stay Alive' got.

I don't get the necessity of this sequal. Without Verhoeven and Eszterhas, it's meaningless.

[sundog]

3. i have a soft spot for his dutch films from the 80's

spetters is just surreal - you're not exactly sure WHAT you're watching, but that makes it all the more glorious

the fourth man is another one

[Fenris]

4. Amateur dirt-bikers!

Brilliant!

I thoroughly enjoyed 'Starship Troopers' when I saw it in the theater. It was so laughably awful, and everyone in the movie knew it.

'Hollow Man,' however, should have resulted in a trial at the Hague for Verhoeven.

[sundog]

5. i'll agree with you on both counts

i hated hollow man - it wasn't NEARLY over the top enough to have his name on it

have you seen spetters? :rofl:

there's a great scene where the lead actor breaks into a john travolta-esque dance number whilst dancing to iggy pop - he's the one that beats up 2 gay guys then later gets gay gang raped in the subway then falls in love with guy that rapes him & comes out of the closet to his father then runs away from home on his dirt bike :shrug:

the lead actress in that is the dutch equivalent of elizabeth berkley - in full 80's attire

yeah, that's a classic

[Fenris]

6. There are so many hilarious aspects of "Spetters"

The one that instantly comes to mind is the fact that Rutger Hauer is an idol to amateur dirt bikers. :rofl:

[sundog]

7. oh yeah, i forgot about that

and someone dies at the end i think

oh yeah - the brother & sister own some kind of funnel cake wagon that they drive from town to town

they drive it to the dirt bike races, then drive it to the town where the dirt bike racers live

it really was wonderful - i'm getting all sentimental... i think i need to watch it again

i just added it to my netflix queue

[bigwillq]

8. And who decided to pay her $14 million

for it? :shrug:

[Kathryn STone]

9. ohmigod that much? 14 mil? she must be a republican now...

[bigwillq]

11. That's what I read.

$14 million.

[sundog]

10. i was hoping it might vault itself into high camp

as "beyond the valley of the dolls" did to its predecessor

but apparently it doesn't even work on that level

[Fenris]

13. I might go see it.

Because of Roger Ebert's review alone:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060330/REVIEWS/60323008

"Basic Instinct 2" is not good in any rational or defensible way, but not bad in irrational and indefensible ways. I savored the icy abstraction of the modern architecture, which made the people look like they came with the building. I grinned at that absurd phallic skyscraper that really does exist in London. I liked the recklessness of the sex-and-speed sequence that opens the movie (and, curiously, looks to have been shot in Chicago). I could appreciate the plot once I accepted that it was simply jerking my chain. You can wallow in it. Speaking of wallowing in the plot, I am reminded of another of today's e-mails, from Coralyn Sheridan, who tells me that in Parma, they say, "The music of Verdi is like a pig: Nothing goes to waste." Those Parmesans.

Of Sharon Stone, what can I say except that there is within most men a private place that responds to an aggressive sexual challenge, especially when it's delivered like a lurid torch song, and Stone plays those notes like she worked out her own fingering.

Footnote No. 1: The last shot in the film is wrong. It should show only the eyes.

Footnote No. 2: My 1-1/2-star rating is like a cold shower, designed to take my mind away from giving it four stars.

Given that Ebert wrote "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls" I have to assume he knows camp/trash cinema.:D

[sundog]

15. ha

yes he did write that

there was this web site soley devoted to the us dvd release of "beyond the valley of the dolls"

i think they campaigned 20th century fox for years - it will finally be out this summer

hehe - now i am intersted :D

[Fenris]

18. wow - it's coming out?!

AWESOME! :D

I can't believe it's taken this long! How people can view it as anything less than the greatest thing ever is beyond me. :D

[sundog]

20. june 13th

i better go mark my calendar :D

http://www.beyondthevalleyofthedolls.com/

[Fenris]

22. This is my happening and it freaks me out!

June 13th will go down in history as a great day for cinema!

:bounce:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

12. Um, so, aside from having a famous shot of Sharon's woo-woo, is the first

movie any GOOD? Never saw it...

[sundog]

14. eh, it had its moments

definitely not 's "best" by a long shot

on a level, it works at a post-feminist noir, though a lot of controversy surrounded its opening

i would say its more a parody of male paranoia, though i can see the legitimacy of some of the arguments made against it... there are plenty of essays on it if you want to read up

i personally can't stand michael douglas, but Verhoeven always gets style & camp points rather effortlessly

showgirls is still my fave by him :P

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

16. Yeah, Elizabeth Berkeley really got robbed not getting an Oscar nod...

[bigwillq]

17. And the screenplay--

Clearly that was the best screenplay of that year! :P

[sundog]

19. you wouldn't want to piss me off now that we're friends darlin

i'm gettin a little too old for that whorey look

[bigwillq]

21. "now that...."

so we just became friends? :shrug: :P

[Initech]

23. Bill Hicks' synopsis:

"Footloose: Young girl shows titties.

Basic Instinct: Young girl shows pussy.

Gee, how are you going to top that for Basic Instinct 2? Young girl shows titties and pussy. Wow, what a genius!"