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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:01 AM
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Do you believe in psychic abilities (ESP)?
I never hear much about this topic anymore. My sister, the Scientist, says I'm superstitious to believe people can have a 6th sense.

While I know this is off-topic, I wondered what people at DU thought about it-- especially since this group is fairly open-minded about issues.

Any feedback?

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:04 AM
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1. Welcome to DU, KC2
:hi:

I believe in ESP or intuition or gut feelings, it is hard not to. I also know many scientist who believe in it as well.

You might enjoy this forum http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=245

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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:07 AM
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4. Thanks, already bookmarked
though, I'm still not quite sure how the bookmarking works!
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:23 AM
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18. The forum leaves me speechless. n/t
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:04 AM
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2. Yes
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 11:05 AM by ayeshahaqqiqa
Though I think what people call "psychic abilities" can be explaned by quantum physics. I suggest you watch "What the Bleep Do We Know".

Edited to add: Welcome to DU! :hi:
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katmondoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:08 AM
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6. Yes, I have had several experiences with ESP
It is not something that you can call up at will to use. Comes when least expected.
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flyingfysh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:05 AM
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3. there is ZERO evidence for psychic abilities
If you can show that psychic abilities exist, you can collect a million dollars at www.randi.org. Nobody has collected yet.

If anyone were to come up with evidence, it would immediately become a much-studied field of science.
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begley Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:25 AM
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22. the psychics that police departments hire....are they bogus?
And if they are not bogus, I wonder why they don't try for Randi's prize?
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:43 AM
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37. Yes. nt
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 02:15 PM
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75. Randi is a Fraud, ... he is the Rush Limpbauh of Metaphysics, only more
dispicible... and disgusting.. his tests are rigged..

my friends who know me have asked why i haven't posted my readings on the site set up to prove this stuff..

i tell them i dont want to disappear in the night and end up a prisoner with threats on my family for not finding Russian Nuclear Submarines.. or satellites
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 03:58 PM
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79. oh, please, that is silly...n/t
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 04:01 PM
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80. Yep - they're just smarter than the cops
No one said those with ESP aren't intelligent.

In fact, I would venture to say some psychics out there are extremely intelligent, and they probably don't even know they are frauds. They just happen to be a lot more in tune with their subconcious.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:09 PM
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87. I had a friend with "ESP" - she was an artist
Not the sanest or most sensible person I knew, but she could look across a party and say "those two are breaking up" or "those two are sleeping together" and she'd be right. She simply had a great eye and amazing perception, and saw things that were there, but that most of us miss. I'm pretty good at telling when someone is sick or heading into trouble - but again, I think it's just good perception.

The day my SO's dad died, his sister asked everyone where they were going to be that day "in case something happens to Daddy and we need to call you." He wasn't sick - he went to work, and died at his desk. ESP? No, she's a nurse, and could tell when someone was suffering from heart problems. She'd been after him to go to the doctor, but he was in the middle of a big labor negotiation, and refused.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:53 AM
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39. zero evidence for you maybe, however I know my mom has it...
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 11:57 AM by Viva_La_Revolution
When we were kids, the phone would ring and she would tell whoever it was for to answer it. This happened a couple of times a week. Once she said, tell you're Uncle to hang on, I'll be right there. We hadn't heard from him in over a year.

She knew when my cousin died that "something horrible" had happened to someone in the family, but not who. We found out 2 hours later.

My brother knew something had happened to a close family friend, the night he died in a car accident. We found out 2 days later.

I knew when my Grandfather died. He was in CO, I was in OR and I was watching that guy that says he talks to dead people (I'm not sure about him) Anyway, I started crying, I never did when watching it before. The phone rang a few minutes later. Before I answered it I knew it was my Mom, and Grandpa was gone.

There is something to it.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:27 PM
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55. That is because Randi is a Fraud, he rigs all his tests... he's despicable
he did a dousing test but the area was a lattice work of pipes.. not just the one he said was there.. he is a Minion of the Religious Reich
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:09 PM
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91. Yeah, he rigs them...
so they can actually test the alleged psychic ability.

That is, like, so unfair.

Sid
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 02:07 PM
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71. Define "evidence."
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:52 PM
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97. I believe that many things that cannot be explained or proven
do indeed exist.

It's just hard for me to believe that mankind, with it's limited intelligence, knows everything to know about everything that there is out there.

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liontamer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 09:13 PM
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102. i'm with you
it's pretty arrogant to say that something must be impossible just be one can't do it oneself
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sproutster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:07 AM
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5. I don't know about full esp per say, but there is something
At the approximate time my father died (in a plane accident) I was overwhelmed with shaking. It was so bad I had to lean onto a locker so I wouldn't fall down. I had a fight with my stepsister in the morning and thought maybe for some reason I was scared of her or something (we were in the same school). I've always wondered what might have happened if I wasn't so preoccupied.

The other thing is when I was younger I used to know what songs were playing on the radio. It went away, and I quit smoking for a month - It was bizarre, I'd think about a song, and switch the channel and it would be playing. :) When I started smoking again, it went away.

But that's it for Madam Sproutsters step into the unknown.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:11 AM
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10. I've had similar experiences
Thanks for sharing that!
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:15 AM
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14. Since the same songs are usually played...
on various channels throughout the day, odds are a fav would be playing on some channel.
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sproutster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 12:40 PM
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43. LOL ... I listen to the alternative rock channels
I thought, Rod Stewerts Maggie May, and twisted the channels and heard the beginning with the mandolin. :)

I wouldn't have mentioned it if it wasn't odd.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:08 AM
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7. I've seen a lot of stuff in my life that forced me to believe in ESP
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 11:08 AM by Sinti
but I think all humans have instincts, much like a wild animal, that could also be called ESP. The only difference is most of us have it driven out of them when they're very young, as part of the civilization process. :hi:

Welcome to DU
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:08 AM
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8. I believe in intuition, but not in psychic abilities per se.
Look at how radio waves were once seen as "supernatural" or uncomprehendable. Fascinating studies involving twins and/or mothers and children tend to keep me open-minded as to the power the human mind may have.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:10 AM
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9. welcome to DU!! and yes, I believe in psychic abilities, having had
enough personal experience to know they are real. You might point out to your sister the scientist that even scientists admit that they actually know very little about the workings of the human brain, probably about 10 percent--so who knows what goes on in the other 90.
and the recommendation in the above post is a good one, you really should see "what the bleep do we know"
as I tell people, it is amusing to watch physics catch up with metaphysics.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:12 AM
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12. Thanks
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:11 AM
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11. Yes.
While I think "psychic ability" is an incorrect definition of what is commonlt referred to as ESP, I think that everyone has this "ability." Most people in our culture have it chiseled out of them by the time they reach grade school, however, and our society tends to feel uncomfortable with it.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:21 PM
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93. I concur - Quackery rules Astrology, Palm Reading, and Channeling.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:14 AM
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13. do I believe in some kind of supernatural ability that only some have? No
I do think that people in general don't utilize their senses or their brain to anywhere near their full potential, though. Anyway, I think for the most part a "sixth sense" is really just paying better attention to the other five senses. Certainly there is such a thing as intuition, but I don't think there's anything mysterious about it.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:16 AM
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15. People do have a sixth sense, proprioception.
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 11:19 AM by LoZoccolo
They discovered that people have a sense for where their limbs are that acts independently of the other commonly-cited five senses. This was discovered or confirmed by the discovery of a woman who had to, for instance, look at her feet in order to walk; she evidently had impairment of this sense. I'm pretty sure this is not what you mean by a sixth sense though. :)

Then there is equilibrioception, the sense of balance.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:26 AM
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24. thanks for that
there is also the biomorphogenetic field, which allows mice on one side of the planet to learn a maze faster if mice on the opposite side have been taught the maze in advance.

We all have a few conscious cells floating in the being that is Gaia, IMO.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:45 AM
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38. There wa san article in Scientific American about a decade ago
positing senses 6 through 12. I can't remember if proprioception was one of them, but balance certainly was, and pattern recognition and sense of being unwell were others The piece had quite a neat definition of "sense" as I recall, but I'm afraid unless any DUers have an SA archive or access to Medline, I don't know what it was.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:17 AM
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16. yes
no doubt.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:19 AM
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17. I was in a most excellent zone the other day,
while viewing "Deal or No Deal", for some reason I just knew the amounts of money in a string of suitcases before they were opened. It was far too prolonged to be a coincidence in my mind. I believe we have only scratched the surface of the capabilities of the human mind. If you believe in evolution, it is only logical that at some point someone will born with an aberration in their brain that can tap unforeseen powers. Just as today we know of people born with mental defects on the other end of the scale, and in some cases a combination of the two, the movie "Rain Man" comes to mind.
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:26 AM
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25. Good point...Autism studies...
have shown there are many abilities untapped. Not supernatural, mind you.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:24 AM
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19. Do I! I responded to this post yesterday but it was deleted
it seems no such thread existed...yet.
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:27 AM
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26. LOL, good one. n/t
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Big Kahuna Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:24 AM
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20. I knew you were going to say that.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:25 AM
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21. I refuse to attempt to label it and pretend that by naming it ...
... it's understandable at this point. I think tossing around labels like "ESP" and such creates a false pretense of some degree of understanding that just doesn't exist. I've had some inexplicable experiences that I can't explain ... nor do I feel any compulsion to explain them.

When I was working at a bank in Detroit many years ago, I went to a coworker to discuss some work issues. When I arrived at his workspace, a new hire was there whom I'd never met. When they were done discussing whatever they were discussing, my coworker introduced me to the new hire. She said hello and I looked at her and said "You're from Columbus, Ohio, right? You lived in either Bexley or Worthington and went to Columbus School for Girls, right?" (The important thing to remember is that I NEVER met this woman before and never heard anything about her. Nothing. The only thing I know about Columbus was from visiting my in-laws there. That's it.) She looked at me strangely and said "Yes, I lived in both Bexley AND Worthington and went to the Columbus School for Girls. How could you possibly know that? Is this a joke? Am I being set up? Nobody here knows these things about that part of my background. I just moved to the area in the last couple of months!"

Now, I can't even begin to explain (or put a label on) how I knew this ... or even how it was some 'knowledge' that was about as clear to me as "it's raining today." It wasn't a "revelation" - nothing dramatic - no "voices" or anything else. It was just an "of course" piece of conversation ... a feeling of "passing the time of day." It was something I 'knew' like I might 'know' how much change I had in my pocket. At the time, a part of me was wondering how the hell I knew this and why it seemed "normal" to say it. But I just went with the inclination, probably in a 'go with the flow' attitude - not even having enough of a doubt to worry about how bizarre it was.

I refuse to put a label on it - it'd pretend I understood far more than I do. I merely accept it. It doesn't bother me a bit to just accept it without giving it some dumb name.

I've had other equally inexplicable experiences over my lifetime. I might just as well call it "Bladbonk" (or some equally nonsense label) for all the understanding that might infer.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:49 PM
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66. You married her, right >>>>>grin
'Cause if you let her slip away, that would be a bladbonk, in my book.
---------------------
We have extra sensors that we are not always conciously aware of. Its like, for lack of a better term: electricity. It has been said that the molecules that make up our bodies are held to together with what can best be decribed as an electrical current.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 10:28 AM
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82. No ... but we later had a rather (cough) 'intense' relationship.
Edited on Mon May-01-06 10:36 AM by TahitiNut
Best. Sex. Ever. Our feelings of love and respect for each other were only exceeded by VA-VA-VOOM!

Was it 'electric'? Yeah. And then some. Awesome.

I'm sure no Wilt Chamberlain ... not by any stretch of the imagination. At the same time, I sure wasn't celebate for 30-35 years of my life. What she and I had was infreakingcredible! Of all the 'intimate' relationships I've had in my life (more than 10, less than 100), that was the most mind-numbingly 'satisfactory' (for both of us!) of all. It was everything sex is cracked up to be - and then some. (Even though it's been many years since then, I'll die a happy man.)

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LeighAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:25 AM
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23. Used to be called "Prophecy"
back in the day. A lot of people who went about prophesying were thought to be kooks, and were often ridiculed or worse, until later generations would pick up on what they said, and realize that the person was actually a prophet.

If you go around prophesying nowadays, they are bound to lock you up. Unless you say you have ESP, then they're bound to call you in to help with crime investigations.

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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:28 AM
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28. I'm afraid they are still called kooks, or worse. n/t
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judy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:28 AM
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27. I think psychic abilities are normal abilities,
but that our minds are too encumbered to notice.
There is no such thing though as "supernatural". Anything that happens in Nature is natural by definition :)

Animals, have psychic abilities. Migrating birds and sea creatures like elephant seals can travel miles and return home without any kind of map. That's quite incredible. Science has no idea how that happens.

So, there is no reason why humans wouldn't have these abilities too, even though the advent of language and consciousness of self might have lessened the range of human perception.
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:34 AM
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32. Science does know...
and continues to discover the methods used. Unfortunately, they find out when many of these creatures die because of human technology that never considered that sonar and such might affect them.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:28 AM
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29. Not at all, but welcome to DU! nt
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:30 AM
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30. Thanks again.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:32 AM
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31. i take it all so far beyond kc2. most
on this board, from what i see, is not receptive to beyond so i just do not talk about it. but there are a lot of things that are not just of our 3d world that are interesting and fun and helps us in life to walk in purity, the higher, listen to universe. i am mainly just posting this to validate your subject line
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:37 AM
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33. I knew you were gonna ask
:evilgrin:
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:41 AM
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34. Welcome to DU! Absolutely I believe in 'ESP', psychic abilities,
and synchronicity, the later of which is the only thing that I've had personal experience with. I believe that the universe is cosmic Consciousnessness, infinite Mind, thoughts of God as matter, and all part of one Reality. Because of this connection, I think that it makes sense that some individuals are tapped into mind reading, prophesy, etc. Some define consciousness as 'awareness of awareness', and that individual manifestation of awareness is our 'soul', what we have in common with God.

I've been reading the works of Dr. Thomas Hora, a psychiatrist who has developed a psychiatric teaching, called metapsychiatry. All of his works are excellent, and include: Beyond the Dream, One Mind, and Dialogues in Metapsychiatry.

This is an interesting topic for a Saturday morning! Thanks for posting.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:42 AM
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35. No. nt
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:42 AM
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36. Yes I do.
I am skeptical of someone who claims them untill I have actual visual confirmation but I am open to the possibility.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:55 AM
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40. YES (n/t)
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InfoMinister Donating Member (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:56 AM
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41. Who Was That Guy Who Was Offering A Bunch of Money To Anyone Who...
had those abilities? I remember hearing about a guy who would give someone a million dollars if they could prove it. So far nobody he's met could actually prove they had those abilities.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:31 PM
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56. 'Randi',he is a dispicable fraud..he just wouldnt pay if you did show it..
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 12:01 PM
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42. Yes. I experienced a severe depressive episode one evening....
...in 1980 coupled with the thought that something was just not right. I was called by my Dad the next day who told me that my 26 year old sister had died of an heart attack the previous evening.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 12:52 PM
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44. Thanks for sharing this
I hear these stories over and over. It's what makes me believe in abilities we simply don't understand. I, too, have felt overwhelmed when loved-ones are in distress. Once, I thought I should call my favorite Aunt, just out of the blue, and didn't understand why the thought just popped into my head. I didn't know what I would say to her since it had been almost a year since we talked. Well, you guess it, she passed away the next day. Now, needless to say, when I get a sudden impulse urge like that one, I act on it! I guess this is that "little voice" people talk about, huh?
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 12:53 PM
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45. No.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 12:54 PM
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46. I simply can't believe in something like ESP without a shred of proof.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 12:56 PM
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47. not to change opinion
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 01:16 PM by seabeyond
cause i really dont care. but.... with what you ask, may i ask.... are you christian? cause to believe in god without a shred of evidence would be about the same wouldnt it. and this only works if you believe in god. many on this board does not, though the larger percentage of americans do. i have just learned not to assume here, lol.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:13 PM
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48. I'm an atheist.
I believe in the physical world, that I can observe. Anything else is pure fantasy, or pure speculation.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:15 PM
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49. you are certainly consistant
thank you. yes, whether i believe or not, admittedly it is speculation.
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:22 PM
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53. I think you will find that most atheists...
if not all, do not believe in psychics and other stuff.
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:14 PM
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92. Definitely not all...
I'm an atheist... I don't believe in God/s. I do know there are things we can't explain (yet). I've had weird experiences... a lot of them. Most atheists I know are open to the possibility of esp and other strange phenomena that have neither been proved nor disproved.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:16 PM
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50. Yes.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:19 PM
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51. Yes I do. I have had some really bizarre dreams that came true.
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 01:20 PM by Hoping4Change
Not just one or two. I told my sister a dream once and she said to me when the event transpired that "this was your dream" because the detail was so precise. This is hardly a regular occurrence but it has happened. I don't for a second give any credence to people who fancy that they call up their so-called powers. I think it is real but I don't think it can be controlled. My great grandmother lost 3 sons in WW1. Each time someone appeared prior to notification. One time she was in her kitchen and she looked in the backyard and saw a women dressed in black clothes that were out of date, a dress that would have been worn about 1890 and she carried a black parasol. My great grandmother ran outside and then to the front of the house because the woman had gone up the side of the house toward the street. Her neighbor was in his front yard gardening. The neighbor said he saw no such person. The next day my grandmother got word her son was dead. What is really weird is that prior to several deaths in the family I have dreamt of a woman dressed in a black Edwardian dress. It was the detail in one of those dreams that my sister referred to.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:21 PM
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52. No. Such an effect should be really easy to demonstrate in laboratory
conditions, but it has not been demonstrated.

It generally proves to be Uri Geller kind of stuff. Johnny Carson, not a scientist, was fully competent to nail Geller, in whom many people believed.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:24 PM
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54. I would have loved to see Hudini debunk a psychic.
After a "medium" tried to take advantage of Hudini, over his mothers death, he was a man on a mission. At most of the cities he did shows in, usually in the afternoon, he would go to the local psychic and completely show the person as the fraud they were. He knew every trick in the book to make a seance seem real, and used it as a weapon against the fraudsters.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:38 PM
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57. I've been moved?
But I don't even know what the DU Lounge is? Ha! I figured the one place it was safe to post stuff was the general discussion! Hmm... I am always lost at this place. Sorry! Guess I'll check out the lounge now!!
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:39 PM
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58. Well welcome to the Lounge!
This is a good topic.... interesting thread! I say I Don't Know, btw, but I do think that "there are more things under heaven and earth, Horatio, that are dreamed of in your philosophy." :D

I probably mangled that, heh.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:41 PM
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60. Thanks
I didn't even know there was a DU Lounge, until my thread was moved! Guess I should look around some more, huh?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:41 PM
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59. i knew you were going to ask that question...
:-)
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:42 PM
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61. Oh, you got me!
:-)
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:43 PM
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62. a belated welcome to du, KC2...
:hi: :patriot: :kick:
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:44 PM
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63. Thank you
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:45 PM
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64. I knew you were going to ask that!
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:46 PM
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65. no
But I'm pretty familiar with psychotic tendencies
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:50 PM
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67. Nope
I'm a skeptic
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:57 PM
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68. Esp is a personal phenomenon
those who have never had it believe it's bullshit while those who get accurate information out of nowhere believe in it.

I fall on the side of belief. Not everyone who says they are psychic are and not all who are psychic get it right 100% of the time.

Until everyone comes to understand that what their gut/head (or wherever it comes from) tells them is right there will be skeptics. I think human beings are evolving more in that direction now though.
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 02:03 PM
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69. Until there is proof, there will be skeptics. n/t
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miss_american_pie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 02:07 PM
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70. I don't believe in psychics, per se
but I believe that some people are more tapped into their intuition than others.

:hi:
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 02:07 PM
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72. I grew up in a family with a Long line of clairvoyants.. i can dowse, one
day the boss took us all off other projects installing PVC irrigation pipe in orchards.. he took the 12 of us to an 80 acre plot where they were putting in the pipe before planting the trees.. bare ground, someone had plowed under their little stakes where 46 brass valves were before the Boxes were put around them.. we were told to dig 3 foot deep holes at random till we found them all..

i asked if the PVC had been static tested.. 'yes', so i bent some brazing rods in the boss's truck and walked out the main line, then found the sub-mains, and then the laterals, i had a crowd of people behind me putting in the stakes and digging holes where i made an x with my foot, as i walked briskly across the field.

i found all 46 valves where the first hole was dug..

did i get a bonus... no!! the boss was a Christian.. he said i couldn't have found them with 2 bent wires. but he took from me, i told him they would not work for him.. he asked why, i said you have faith to make them work..

and .... my mother told my Silver smithing partner his car had something wrong with its front end.. he said he was going to fix it.. she said if he didn't drive it anywhere but the Crafts Fair were going to it would be OK, but if he drove it anywhere else it would flip over and kill him, he was going to do an unnecessary errand for this total loser and i told him he promised mom not to go, he did anyway and the left wheel collapsed and it flipped and killed him.

my grand father, only passed the 2nd grade, in 1936 was selling scrap iron off his share cropper farm to the scrappers.. my mom said the wagon was rolling off and the sun was a huge 'Red' ball setting in the distance as the wagon was driving away just under it in the distance, grandpa was doing his gazing ito the distance 'thing'.. so mon stayed here.. after a few minutes grandpa said,'do you know where that iron is going..?' mon said no, and grandpa said.'they are going to take it across the great ocean and those people will turn it into bullets and they will shoot them back at us.'

it was that Iron that Japan turned into the Bombs that were dropped on Pearl Harbor Dec 7, 1941.

my great grand mother saw people within a short distance in Real Time,,2 day horse ride, in trouble and went and helped them.. she was the local medicine woman,

my grandfather saw things at a greater distance in the future.

my mother saw things in the near future at a relative short distance

i see things usually in the near future, 2 weeks..people at a short distance, environmental events at a distance.. i was turned into the police once for sabotaging a co-workers car because i told her her boy friend was in danger because of road conditions..in the near future, he rolled his car over 6 times literally within 80 yards of my house down a hill, 4 days later.. the cops told her he should have listened to me. he said he was only going 25 mph..

i have found the Meditating really sharpens clairvoyance... even the Tibetans admit that, they call it 'Skillful Means'.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 02:11 PM
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73. ...
:thumbsup: :pals:
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 02:12 PM
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74. Yes. I heard people's literal thoughts on LSD several times.
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 02:24 PM by Seabiscuit
And I heard them with their own voices. And no, they weren't saying anything out loud.

(decades ago).
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 02:27 PM
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76. I predict there will be yet another goddamn picture thread in the next
three days
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 02:32 PM
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77. you must be psychic
although that was sarcasm you might be. Are you?
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 02:37 PM
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78. i knew you were going to ask that question
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 04:30 PM
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81. they don't exist
there was much play w. the idea of psychic ability in the 20th century, esp. in the 20s through the 80s

then, in the 90s, the concept died on the vine and only people deliberately being weird (wiccan, goth, whatever) pretended to still believe in ESP

do you know why? it is because casino gambling became widespread, anyone who thought they had even a touch of ESP had only to go down to the dice table and make their fortune, so every person in this country had a quick easy way to test if their ESP skill existed if they thought they had any

many tried and those who couldn't admit their abilities weren't all that after all ended up losing everything, most people tho having tested reality w. real money on the line quietly put away the big lie of ESP

there are certainly times when it SEEMS that something supernatural has happened, there is something defective in our brain that doesn't give us the perfect truth abt our world and so sometimes we perceive incorrectly

however when you test your psychic skill aga. the math w. money on the line, the math always wins if you keep playing long enough

always

so i'm saying if you think you have ESP, you are wasting your time posting here when you could literally be a millionaire many times over in a few months of playing dice in legal casinos

i was v. active in the new age community for many years and i was impressed how quickly the whole concept was killed when a true hard test of ESP was provided to the public at no charge, anyone can walk in the door of any of 600 usa casinos w. your favorite psychic friend and quickly learn that her gifts are worth f-all when real money comes out
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 10:44 AM
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83. I know there is much about the human brain we don't understand.
Beyond that, I can't really say what I believe.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 10:59 AM
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84. I'm a scientist and I'm open to it
People in my family have had very odd experiences with dowsing, psychics, faith healing, and knowing when something bad has happened.

I think there easily may be other realms that science hasn't discovered yet. :shrug:
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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 11:13 AM
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85. I believe intuition is a tangbile phenomenon, but I doubt real "psychic"
abilities exist. Then again, who knows for certain? Not me.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 11:59 AM
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86. Yes and no
I think anything is possible. That doesn't mean that I think every person who claims to be a psychic is for real, but I consulted one in NYC in 1990 who knew things about me she couldn't have known any other way.

I think a lot of people who go into certain fields have some type of empathic ability-like nurses, shrinks, social workers, counselors, etc. They just wouldn't call it a psychic ability.

I've been a social worker for 19 years. I can do a pretty convincing act as a psychic because I've learned about human behavior, what questions to ask, etc. Throw in a prop, like my tarot cards (it's a focus to get the inquirer to talk, plus much of the imagery is jungian), and I'm pretty good. How much of it is real, how much is my professional training and how much is trickery is the question.
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Iniquitous Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:14 PM
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88. I had experiences twice as a child.
Both times were dreams that predicted a fire. One predicted a date and there was a fire two houses down from us on that date. The other had to do with my dad not being up to pick me up because fire trucks were blocking the driveway because of a fire across the street. It happened a week later. For years as a child, it was a huge phobia. I haven't had any more experiences like that, but I remain open because I believe it's something worth paying attention to as it might save someone's life someday. It's kind of scary in all honesty and I have no desire to want any more of this.

Psychics who profit from their abilities are ones I'd be quite skeptical about, but I believe these abilities exist. To me, there is so much of the universe and physics that we don't understand. Who's to say we can't be tuned into at times to things we may not yet understand?
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slide to the left Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:56 PM
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89. shoot, I can usually tell what people are thinking
but it comes from being perceptive, not esp.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:57 PM
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90. I knew you were going to ask that!
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:21 PM
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94. I am not going to argue the semantics, call it what you will
I believe in the unbelievable.
:hi: and welcome to the lounge, the coolest place on this site;)
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:55 PM
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98. Thank you. Like your user name, by the way! nt
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:34 PM
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95. I've had far too many 'strange' experiences
to say no.

However, I don't believe in 'psychics' per se...

Perhaps our understanding of time is still at its infant stage, perhaps there is a Universal Consciousness that some people tap into...I don't know.

I'm not arrogant enough to believe we know, or can explain, everything.

It's a very personal subject...most people who believe there is something more has experienced 'something more'. It's not something you can quantify.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:35 PM
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96. No. I have never seen it happen
And yes, I have looked.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 02:45 PM
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99. No
I've seen no evidence. The tests that I've seen supporting it are SERIOUSLY flawed, or ambiguous. When there's a definitive, empirical study, then i'll think about it :shrug:
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liontamer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 05:34 PM
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100. i don't not believe
says an another scientist. I don't run around calling phone psychics, but I don't discount the possibility that some people may have awareness beyond what's considered standard. It's hard to disprove something. :shrug:
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 06:40 PM
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101. No. No reason to, no evidence. Simple as that.
No mechanism. Has failed in every scientifically controlled experiment since the dawn of man, actually.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 09:21 PM
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103. You tell me! Actually, things have happened I cannot explain
I cannot explain everything that has happened, some defy any sort of scientific explanation. That given, my problem with it is that it is too easy to fake some thing, to pretend you are psychic since everyone knows that it is unreliable so are forgiving of misses. Things have definitely happened that I can not explain. And welcome to DU.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 10:34 PM
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104. No. Magic thinking is for children only. n/t
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