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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 03:19 PM
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It's time to stop calling it "English" and start calling it "American"
I mean, "England" is no longer (nor has it been for a long time) the worlds largest speaker of *our* language. They shouldn't get the naming rights anymore. So, I propose that we stop calling our way of speaking a variant of any kind, or "American English". They should have to call it "English American". I mean, if they're going to stick with outdated phrases like "chesterfield", which has no meaning for most modern speakers of the language, then *they're* the ones with the dialect, not us.

In a similar vein, I propose renaming "Spanish" to "Mexican" and "Portuguese" to "Brazilian". I mean, fair's fair, right?

Who's with me?

(flame suit on, but just in case nobody figured it out, this post is just a tongue-in-cheek idea)
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 03:34 PM
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1. by that rule it's INDIAN
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 03:35 PM by JCMach1
India has the majority of the world's English speakers!!!
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 03:38 PM
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3. I thought most Indians spoke native languages
and that English was a second language for most in that country.

A pie chart of native English speakers from Wikipedia:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:37 PM
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22. Yes, you're right
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 07:39 PM by JVS
A large part of the success of the English language in India is because by doing business in what is a 2nd language to everyone, there is no implication that a certain ethnicity among the groups is the dominant one
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 04:23 PM
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15. And IT jobs!
:rofl:
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 03:37 PM
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2. Correction - you should call that noxious tongue spoken in the U.S.
American, and leave the wonderful English language to us.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 03:40 PM
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4. Perhaps a compromise can be reached
But we want credit for the creation of the expressions, "cool", "awesome", "bitchin'" and "o.k.". In exchange you can reserve the right to use "capital" as an exclamation.
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 03:42 PM
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5. Sounds fine to me.
All of the crappy modern accretions can be blamed on you. :P
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 03:44 PM
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6. Thank god for tjwmason
:yourock:
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 04:01 PM
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11. Whenever obnoxiousness is needed
I can be depended upon that's for damn sure.
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 04:07 PM
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12. I was thinking more
when it needed to be responded to ;)
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 03:46 PM
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7. Now see here, chap...
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 03:49 PM by rockymountaindem
"Capital" is in referance to a city which is the seat of government, not an indicator of something good or desirable. Saying something is "a capital idea" is meaningless. If you want to distort words your own people invented, that's your problem. As for me, I'm sticking with inventive yet sensical phrases like "be chill, daddy-o". Comprende?

You limey bastard...

On edit: we can continue this later because I'm off to enjoy some delectable burritos here at my Canadian university cafeteria. How's that for multi-culturalism, eh?
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 03:49 PM
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9. Well "bullshit" refers to that which issues from a bovine's arse
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 03:50 PM by billyskank
gaseous emissions excepted. So, let's call the whole thing off. ;)
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 04:00 PM
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10. Well if you take the narrow modern American definition that's true.
Capital, of course, doesn't merely mean the seat of government - it has a number of meanings all of which indicate the "greatest" (e.g. the greatest city, the greatest part of a pillar) all of which derive from the Latin for "head". Thus it is perfectly natural and logical to refer to the greatest idea as being a capital idea. But that would take a knowledge of history - something Americans seem to be rather short on. :P

As for the supposed insult 'limey' - I've always found it to be amusing, and particularly American that sensible precautions to avoid scurvy are the source of an insult. :shrug:
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:02 PM
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20. Call that multiculturalism? nyah nyah nah-yah nah!
By Aussie standards, a normal meal is from 2 different cultures, and a multicultural meal will need at least 4.

SO THERE!

(At the end of WWII we had 4 million people. So we got some migrants...... now we have 20 million people)
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 04:21 PM
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13. To be fair
It was one of -you- who rhymed "intellectual" with "hen-pecked you all."
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 04:23 PM
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14. That's gotta be Gilbert & Sullivan
Only they would do that.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 04:27 PM
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16. That's Byron, you Philistine
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 04:27 PM by jpgray
The self-styled Napoleon of verse! :P

(in truth both dialects are wonderfully expressive, whether in formal language or in slang)
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 04:30 PM
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17. Well I'll be a monkey's uncle
However, I had already suspected that I was a philistine. :)
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 03:47 PM
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8. Oh thats my biggest pet peeve
do you speak Mexican?

do you speak Redneck?
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 06:48 PM
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18. Do Coloradans speak with an accent?
In your opinion, rockymountaindem?
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 06:51 PM
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19. Funny you should ask!
On a list of "you know you're from Colorado if..." jokes, one of them was "you know you're from Colorado if you have absolutely no identifiable regional accent". I believe that to be the case. I don't think there is any specific accent native to Colorado. So to answer your question, no. Coloradans speak normally, it's everybody else who's messed up :P
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:36 PM
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21. But then we'll have all those people with cleft assholes complaining...
that Canadians, Mexicans, and anyone from North or South America are Americans too and that using the term for American-English is somehow degrading them
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