DO you find the sexism in the Rudolph special funny or disturbing?

[HEyHEY]

A bit of both for me

[CanuckAmok]

1. I'm more offended by the

nasalaist discrimination.

[HEyHEY]

2. good metaphor for racism

teaches kids a valuable lesson...to disobey

[Dookus]

3. what I find more disturbing....

is the murder of the toy bird. He explained that he can't fly, and then when he's tossed out over the Island of Misfit Toys, he's just thrown out - all the other toys got an umbrella to soften their landing. The poor little birdie just smashes into the ground :(

[HEyHEY]

4. never notice that...is he dead for certain?

[Dookus]

5. no... not for certain...

but we know

a) he can't fly
b) he's tossed out from a great height with no umbrella
c) all the other toys required umbrellas

it's moider, I tells ya!

[HEyHEY]

6. bastards!

GRRR

[booksenkatz]

11. Maybe Santa knew

that it was just a psychological problem that made the bird think he couldn't fly. Kinda like that doll who has no discernible aberration. Sometimes these things are all in your head.
:shrug:

[Piperay]

12. The elf offered

the bird an umbrella but the bird flew away without it I saw the bird fly, he's not dead.

[Raine]

7. Both for me too

kind of touching in a way but a little disturbing. It was made in 1964 before the women's movement, I'll excuse them. :shrug: :-)

[corarose]

8. There has always been sex in that cartoon

How the hell do you think that all of the elves and reindeer's got their in the first place.

Just kidding!

[DrWeird]

9. I was surprised by all the homosexual innuendo.

You go, Burl!

[onebigbadwulf]

10. Sexism is always funny

[Loonman]

13. It was made before PC fer chrissakes

Or I should say before Political Correctness turned everyone into wimps who have to "watch what they say".

Jesus, some people are hypersensitive.

:mad:

[DrWeird]

23. You know, it's funny that you say that.

Because you seem the only one really bent out of shape.

[Booberdawg]

14. What the hell are you talking about?

I have read this whole thread and still don't have a fucking clue??

Is this a cartoon? A Christmas show?

Christ, I have let a sheltered life.

on edit: For God's sakes - You don't mean Rudolf the Rednosed Reindeer, do you?

on edit again: sexism? disturbing? murder? WTF? Are we taking about Rudolf the Rednosed Reindeer? Well, only if you are looking for it. C'mon. :eyes:

And Christ, I have NOT let THAT much of a sheltered life.

[HEyHEY]

26. No you don't have to look for it

"Naturally Mrs. Clause wanted to come along, but donner said 'NO, THIS IS MAN'S WORK'"

[Enraged_Ape]

15. Santa is a complete asshole in that special

First he banishes Rudolph from the North Pole, then he has the absolute nerve to ask him to pull his sleigh on Christmas Eve, without even so much as an apology. Every time I see this, I wish that Rudolph would tell Santa to go stuff himself.

[FunBobbyMucha]

16. Yeah, we watched it last night

and I turned to my wife and said "No wonder this is all my gay friends' favorite Christmas special." Rudolph's being ostracized, as well as the simply FLAMING Herbie, is such a good accidental metaphor. But it struck me that Santa was an ass, with his "What the heck is that nose, Dad?" reaction. "Better straighten up and fly right...blahblah...not Adam and Steve..."

[supernova]

18. Yes, the 50s conformity

meme is very much in play here in Rudolph.

[DivinBreuvage]

20. There's a pregnant pause when Herbie and Rudolf meet

And talk about teaming up. Rudolf says it's fine with him as long as Herbie doesn't mind his nose, and Herbie lisps, "No, if you don't mind my being a -- dentist." After which they sing and roll around in the snow, and Herbie builds a snow effigy of his nasty old elf boss and violently smashes its face in.

Was anyone else bothered by the Lion King of the Island of Misfit Toys, who refuses to help the gang and then immediately demands that they help him? I know who he'll be voting for in 2004.

I agree with everyone who says Santa Claus is a complete unsantalike ass in this one. I guess the writers had to betray his character to create the drama of Rudolf and Herbie's ostracism, because there's no way in real life the kindly old Santa Claus would ever allow dentistphobia to flourish at the North Pole, and he would certainly never engage in noseism his very own self!

[supernova]

22. Dentistphobia

kindly old Santa Claus would ever allow dentistphobia to flourish at the North Pole, and he would certainly never engage in noseism his very own self

Yes, there is a part of philosophy that says everyone has a place and a part to play. There's no reason The North Pole couldn't have a dentist. Or that Rudolph's nose is isn't designed for some as yet undeifined purpose.

This whole story only works as a morality play if you believe that different equals = unuseful to the group.

I always liked it b/c I identified with Rudolph and Herbie. I did feel different, and very ungrouplike growing up.

[CBHagman]

29. Hey, Herbie is last seen dancing with a female elf.

Oh, wait a minute! Sorry. I forgot. A good dancer...hmm.

Wait a minute! WAIT A MINUTE! What about Dasher and Dancer? Hmm...

[mitchum]

33. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I am now cleaning off the monitor

[supernova]

17. No, it just seems dated now

much as I love Rudolph, it seems dated now for all those reasons.

[Faygo Kid]

28. No wonder - it was made in 1965

Ol' Burl Ives will be singing on that special when we are all long gone.

[MissMillie]

30. yep, just have to consider the date it was made

and sigh and say, "we've come a long way, baby"

(or not...)

[commander bunnypants]

19. It is a friggin cartoon

made in the early sixties. Don be so sensitive and enjoy for what it is. My wife (apolitical) kept trying to trash the show, me (flaming liberal) kept telling her to stop and enjoy. sheeeesh.

DDQM

[NYYFan]

25. I've never put that much thought into it

It's a dated, yet classic cartoon. I enjoy all the Rankin/Bass cartoons.

Bring on The Year Without A Santa Claus- with the HEAT MISER !!

[HEyHEY]

27. It's claymation punk!

I'm not being sensitive at all, just making conversation. I just hope they never stop running it beause of the sexism.

[ScreamingMeemie]

21. No, after watching the Rankin/Bass marathon with the kids last

weekend, I found it educational...i.e. the evil Russian in "Jack Frost" symbolizing what our thoughts were during the cold war. It is actually quite funny to watch now. :7

[commander bunnypants]

24. I had my wife thinking Christmas Town is in the S. Pole

She saw another Christmas special with a penquin trying to get to the S. Pole and got all confused. I kept it going. I awore Santa lived in the S. Pole and everything she was taught was wrong. It was kind of funny.


DDQM

[youngred]

31. Sexism?

WTF?

[HEyHEY]

32. oh yeah

Next time it's on you'll notice all the sexist comments